Terror To Love

[HaroldParker]

How is this horse ID13 Fav ?

[G-Mac]

I wish he wasn't

[broncobrad]

Heres a clue. At his first start back from a break over 2700m off the 20m. He's the one when the starter says "Riiiighhttt" that stands there, takes a couple of steps backwards, has a little skip (probably adding another 10m to his handicap) before he remembers what hes there for. Don't take my word for it, here's the vision.

http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewahr/wsd01x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=174631

Now picture that sprint down the long Menangle straight.

[2minuteman]

How is this horse ID13 Fav ?
What do you reckon the right price is? If you're thinking 10's,give me a hoy.

[HaroldParker]

Heres a clue. At his first start back from a break over 2700m off the 20m. He's the one when the starter says "Riiiighhttt" that stands there, takes a couple of steps backwards, has a little skip (probably adding another 10m to his handicap) before he remembers what hes there for. Don't take my word for it, here's the vision.

http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewahr/wsd01x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=174631

Now picture that sprint down the long Menangle straight.

I'm trying to, but River Black who hasn't won a race since AB was Captain of the Australian Cricket isn't leading the ID13 final turning for home : )

I knew he was a short priced Fav for the NZ Cup and I couldn't believe it, watching the replay (I was OS at the time) that May gave the death away turning out of the straight and drove the horse for luck !! I then watched the NZ FFA afterwards and Terror To Love is a horse that has to be driven that way. Which is fine, in New Zealand where the majority of races, distance is irrelevant, are no more than a 400m dash home.

Where would Terror To Love of finished if driven in a manner similar to Im The Mighty Quin last Friday ? 5th at best ... and if he runs 5th in ID13, it'll be driven cold, along the pegs.

[HaroldParker]

What do you reckon the right price is? If you're thinking 10's,give me a hoy.

Will he qualify ?

If May has to drive him like the best horse in the race and something half decent parks him, it's curtains.

If May drives him for luck and doesn't get any, do they invite him ? I hope not. Why invite a horse that doesn't get in on a fight when they'll be slogging out here in Australia.

[teecee]

How is this horse ID13 Fav ?

From what I have read subsequent, there are better judges of horseflesh and race performance analysis setting the odds.

[HaroldParker]

From what I have read subsequent, there are better judges of horseflesh and race performance analysis setting the odds.

In defense of the analyst setting the odds, the Auckland Reactor bandwagoners have ditched my Fav Kiwi of all time and are firmly behind Terror To Love, my soon to be second Fav Kiwi of all time : )

[HaroldParker]

I'm still firmly of the opinion that there shouldn't of been a NZ heat. There should been a second heat in Victoria. If the Kiwi's wanted a start, earn it, like the locals / campaigning Kiwi's will have to.

[teecee]

Problem with your opinion is that the host organisation still believe it is the Interdominion and is still overseen by the Interdominion Council made up of both Australian AND NZ administrations. It is not solely an Australian event. It is still regarded by those who make the decisions an event between both countries. As such initially 2 heats were scheduled for New Zealand but with a lack of suitable candidates and date clashes the Addington heat was deleted.

[HaroldParker]

Problem with your opinion is that the host organisation still believe it is the Interdominion and is still overseen by the Interdominion Council made up of both Australian AND NZ administrations. It is not solely an Australian event. It is still regarded by those who make the decisions an event between both countries. As such initially 2 heats were scheduled for New Zealand but with a lack of suitable candidates and date clashes the Addington heat was deleted.

The demise of a traditional ID began with New Zealand no longer wanting any part of it. Can we agree on that ?

Alexandra Park the nail in the ID coffin. A blood bath for the locals.

[teecee]

The demise of a traditional ID began with New Zealand no longer wanting any part of it. Can we agree on that ?

Alexandra Park the nail in the ID coffin. A blood bath for the locals.
Can't agree at all with your first point. Feel free however to provide some documented evidence for me to consider.
The demise of the Interdominon is it's original format lies squarely within Australia IMO with decisions made by the states ..(and you can research which ones)..... among other but principally..
Reduce the heat rounds from 3 to 2
Run heats at more than one venue.
Place a minimum stakes limit on the series thus denying some states the opportunity to host.
Refuse to acknowledge the squaregait trotters and withdraw support for a series for them.

NZ reps opposed all of these measures so we can not agree on your first statement.

As for your claim about Alex Pk. That is a parable to me which you may need to decipher..!

[aussiebreno]

As for your claim about Alex Pk. That is a parable to me which you may need to decipher..!
Probably referencing the Aussie trifecta (now quinella).

[teecee]

Probably referencing the Aussie trifecta (now quinella).
oh yeah...of course

[Greg Hando]

I believe the demise started with VIC when the Hunter Cup etc became qualifying heats for it . I think it ws Shakamaker's one.

[2minuteman]

[QUOTE=HaroldParker;25196]Will he qualify ?

If May has to drive him like the best horse in the race and something half decent parks him, it's curtains.

Agree Bob, but what about my question? What about offering 10's?
Also your post could just as easily refer to ITMQ,agree?

[Triple V]

Ideally, how would Terror To Love best driven do you guys think?
Off the front, with a sit, sweeping from the rear? Doesn't matter?

[teecee]

TTL has a sprint matched only by Monkey King. It is why the man who drives him and Monkey King before him drives him as he does.... With a sit. The only time he has driven him different, forced by circumstance, was in the 2012 NZ Cup. Getting out and going early with the train kept him handy enough to use his sprint. It was not the intention to lead the last lap...he would have handed up for the trail...the lead didn't come so take a sit in the running line. Without these tactics he wouldn't have had the opportunity to utilise his devastating sprint. He be last at the 1/2 if he had survive a melee at the 1000. So he is best driven with a sit..IMO to answer your poser.

For those who saw his last effort he didn't beat much...only Franco Ledger is in his class, but against that he was only 80% and racing on a shifty surface after lots of rain. which really didn't suit / assist his sprint power. HE really got there by sheer class. He is on the way up again heading to the Interdom heat against others who may be more race hardened. but they may be on the way down.

[HaroldParker]

Clearly he's a fine horse but 3-1 is too short. Too one dimensional for mine and along way from home, distance and the class / style of race.

Something has to be Fav though, might as well be him : )

[2minuteman]

Clearly he's a fine horse but 3-1 is too short. Too one dimensional for mine and along way from home, distance and the class / style of race.

Something has to be Fav though, might as well be him : )
Hey Bob,I know you're a banker and are probably flying somewhere (overseas, perhaps Tasmania?) but could you find time to answer my request re. 10s for TTL in the ID final?

[HaroldParker]

Hey Bob,I know you're a banker and are probably flying somewhere (overseas, perhaps Tasmania?) but could you find time to answer my request re. 10s for TTL in the ID final?

The rich got richer : )