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Maorisidol
12-18-2013, 12:26 AM
Do many people in here use this betting company?
And in particular does anyone use the unique facility they have where u can choose the odds of a horse by choosing how far u think it can win by?
In other words if it's $10, and u think it will win by 1m u may get $11, the more distance the higher the odds...

Anyway I am alluding to the fact that they stopped betting on the Squaregaiters races not too long after starting the new concept.
Anyone any clues as to why?
No explanations were given officially that I was aware of, certainly no email notifications.
I asked the phone operator who couldn't definitively answer why "management" stopped the trotters...
Anyone got an opinion?

Messenger
12-18-2013, 01:43 AM
Here is a pure guess Ash, because it is not unheard of for trotters to gallop and lose a lot of ground, I imagine a bookmaker fearing corruption would realize it would not be impossible to fix a big return in a small field by having a few runners gallop. Of course they would never get away with it but that is my conspiracy theory LOL

brent_L
12-18-2013, 01:56 AM
Ladbrokes offer the same product and they too canned the margin betting on trot races. I reckon it may be that they've been burned by a couple of shorties winning by a space, which can happen with the trotters more so than with the pacers IMO. Surely the bookies could just tighten their winning margin equations for trotting events and let the punter decide whether they still want to bet at that lesser price. It's just typical of the corporate bookie though these days......punters find what MAY be a slight edge, then the product disappears/changes, or you simply get banned, all without an explanation.
(Ladbrokes also recently changed their 'field vs fav' prices on the dishlickers......to the detriment of the punter of course)

While reading over the above before posting, really makes me wonder whether I'm simply stupid for depositing $$ anywhere but betfair

Messenger
12-18-2013, 05:54 PM
Like you said Brent, overall the bookies are just mathematicians who are looking at a certain % return - all they would have had to do is adjust the odds

reTHAIment
01-18-2014, 03:57 PM
firstly any "exotic" betting offered by bookmakers will be under the odds rest assured of that....if they are offering prices for margin betting you can bet the % will be high.. as for field v fav I think they are betting about 110-112% in this which is ridiculous considering that most football matches (afl and nrl etc) are around 103%.. so these markets are very much so unders.. If you want to back against the fave you are much better laying it on betfair. Also bookmaker.com.au IS Ladbrokes now. so they offer the same thing.. one last thing if you win be prepared to be banned anyway by yet another pommy bookmaker ruining our industry

HaroldParker
01-22-2014, 03:30 AM
I've had at least 25 corporate bookies account restricted on me since I got back from the States last year. I buy a new prepaid dongle for every new account I open, I'm running out of family and I've got no friends :)

Bookmaker / Ladbrokes give you a longer leach than others. Bet365 is the worst. I've had accounts restricted with them after one night of wagering. If any of the corporates get a whiff you're consistently taking overs from them they'll give you the flick.

The NT Gov have a lot to answer for. The Fed Govt could do something about it, they have the power to do so. I believe there's some legislation going before the house early this year by one of the independants that would scare the shit out of the Poms hiding up North. They would have to accept wagers to a limit like proper Aussie bookies.

brent_L
01-23-2014, 01:01 PM
It was a bit of an ego boost the first time I had an account restricted, but now it's becoming a joke. Was really enjoying the racing products Ladbrokes have until I had the fixed odds removed from harness racing. The account was some 2 months old and after doing the math I was $5,500 in front of which I'm not sure what % harness made up of that. My bets range from $300 to 1k and I bet on all 3 codes plus sports/multis. How the corporates are allowed to basically say 'well, we'll take your cash on dogs, gallops, sports etc but as you have shown a propensity to win on harness racing we'll take that away from u' belies belief. And to not even receive a call/email sticks it up u even more. At least Sportingbet had the decency to email the news that my account was restricted......after 7 bets!! (of which 5 were on harness). It may seem like good business practice to them but if they had a spreadsheet of my lifetime history on the punt they'd be falling over themselves wanting my business!
So that's 2 now in 4 months after the first time some 8 yrs ago.........can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I were u Bob......25 times!!! When u say u buy a 'prepaid dongle' wouldn't your IP address still remain the same hence the corporates still know it's u betting?? (apologies if that's a silly question, I know zero about computers/IT)

aussiebreno
01-23-2014, 01:55 PM
How about we open a joint account. Your winning bets will be evened out by my losing bets.

reTHAIment
01-23-2014, 07:35 PM
getting around a IP address is simple.. just use a VPN I use one for about $8 a month but mine is cos I live in Thailand and cant get onto various sites because of where I live...

Toohard
01-23-2014, 09:02 PM
How about we open a joint account. Your winning bets will be evened out by my losing bets.

Can also assist. Sons 'certainties' treat as scratchings

HaroldParker
01-27-2014, 02:40 AM
It was a bit of an ego boost the first time I had an account restricted, but now it's becoming a joke. Was really enjoying the racing products Ladbrokes have until I had the fixed odds removed from harness racing. The account was some 2 months old and after doing the math I was $5,500 in front of which I'm not sure what % harness made up of that. My bets range from $300 to 1k and I bet on all 3 codes plus sports/multis. How the corporates are allowed to basically say 'well, we'll take your cash on dogs, gallops, sports etc but as you have shown a propensity to win on harness racing we'll take that away from u' belies belief. And to not even receive a call/email sticks it up u even more. At least Sportingbet had the decency to email the news that my account was restricted......after 7 bets!! (of which 5 were on harness). It may seem like good business practice to them but if they had a spreadsheet of my lifetime history on the punt they'd be falling over themselves wanting my business!
So that's 2 now in 4 months after the first time some 8 yrs ago.........can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I were u Bob......25 times!!! When u say u buy a 'prepaid dongle' wouldn't your IP address still remain the same hence the corporates still know it's u betting?? (apologies if that's a silly question, I know zero about computers/IT)

You've nothing to fear re your IP addy Brent. I won't get technical on you, just keep your Cookies spotless if you're juggling accounts. Depending on which browser you're using, there could be 2 layers to getting it totally clean. The first and easiest via Internet Options etc will clear most but not all. I find Firefox the best for privacy.

I only make one withdrawal for each account. Once the account is restricted, I withdraw and move on. Depositing via Poli or Bank Transfer negates the issues of a CC deposit. You can make a deposit into a betting account in another name from your own bank account, just remember to change the payee name. When it comes to the withdrawal, I slip a friend or family member a cut (10%) of the withdrawal. I need their details to verify the account and their bank account to withdraw to, so they earn it.

I only bet on Harness Racing hence the number of accounts restricted.

Greg Hando
01-27-2014, 03:43 PM
If they are stopping you from betting on race's they should not be able to run a book on the trot's. The Gov should de register them from from fielding on the trot's.

Richard prior
01-27-2014, 07:37 PM
I'm wth Greg on this subject, If your having a punt and consistently winning, The Betting companies should not be allowed to restrict you from punting. In the old days the Bookmakers would offload their big bets onto the TAB or other bookies to cover their backsides. If they aren't prepared to take bets with no restrictions, The Government should de-register them. I would find it very annoying if I was losing and then all of a sudden, I start winning and the company sends me a message saying, You are not allowed to punt on the trots or the amount you would like to punt is restricted. This would be total BS.

Chariots
01-27-2014, 07:53 PM
In the main the corporate bookmakers hide under the legislation and regulations of a NT Government that could not give a continental about giving punters a fair go so nothing will happen unless the Federal Government intervenes and I can't see Abbot making this a priority

No wonder there are no on course bookmakers left when you consider the stringent regulations under which they had to operate.

brent_L
01-27-2014, 09:19 PM
Now I've had my Ladbrokes acc restricted from betting fixed odds on greyhounds over the weekend. I was in front $400 for the month (didn't go back any further in researching, it was depressing).
I agree with you Greg/Richard and I think I'll waste a bit of my time contacting the ACCC and also shoot an email off to Nick Xenaphon. No doubt I'll get nowhere but it might help settle the anger.
Such a shame, as I really enjoyed their 'field bt fav' option......so much easier than waiting to try and get set on Betfair. I'm gonna try open a Bookmaker acc but don't think I'll get far.

Greg Hando
01-27-2014, 10:33 PM
In NSW dont HRNSW say who can bet on the field's not the Gov ? For the trots i mean.

brent_L
01-27-2014, 11:28 PM
I think they have the say on who can publish their fields but as to who can bet on them, it's up to the thieves (corporates) terms & conditions.
But an email to Sam Nati may not go astray.

HaroldParker
01-29-2014, 01:01 AM
The NT Govt rolled out the red carpet, gave the corporates the kitchen sink thinking there was gold in it for them and have received SFA. Less than 3 Million last year I think from memory.

There's hardly an Aussie Bookie left up there and as a consequence nor are there the NT jobs that the Govt thought they were securing. In fact, they're bleeding jobs within the industry as they feed of one another. NT is an address for them and that's it. The vast majority of the day to day is going on elsewhere, mostly in Northwest Sydney.

I've been offered a role with a couple of them and it didn't involve finding somewhere to live nearest Fannie Bay.

I've emailed Nick Xenophon previously Brent and received correspondence.

doncht
08-10-2014, 07:28 AM
By the way guys, which betting exchange do you currently use these days and can you also provide a quick review? https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png