Master Kiesey 4days racing in a row @ age of 13

[wholelotasound]

Interested in views on this horse racing 4 days in a row this weekend, at age of 13 or any age really should Racing Boards allow this to happen? I cant believe it is allowed who is thinking of the poor old fella I am sure he not going to be at his best by the 4th night. He has been a fantastic horse for connections does he really deserve this.

[Greg Hando]

Shouldn't be aloud in my books. I forgot to take 1 out of the noms once and had to race on consecutive nights he was tired when he got home after the second run and he was a very fit horse with a good constitution as he gave 110% every race but lay around for 3 days after.

[Richard prior]

2 runs in a week is more that enough and that should be the limit. The Owners of MK should hang their heads in shame.

[Toohard]

Not saying right or wrong as know nothing about the horse.

Horse been doing that for his whole career. Had 7 runs in April 2013, 6 May 2013, 6 November 2013 and 5 last month. Same if go back further. Amazing he still doing it and winning every now and then too.

Friday nights stewards comments say LCRT.

Way out of his depth in race last night. Says vets exam before and after race last night. Also again LCRT??

Says tired beaten 50ms. He kept up until came off back and not knocked about. Beat 1 home...stablemate. Same stewards comments that horse too. Stablemate also race Friday night and says VXBR and LCRT in stewards comments.

They vet him pre race again today for sure.

Race last night about 9.30pm . Today race 1.30pm. 16 hours between runs. At least 3 hours in float between these 2 runs.

When does he sleep?

[Toohard]

Ran 5th of 12. Got to line ok.
Same trainer had 2 others same race. One ran 3rd 30/1
Tomorrow 4 in same race Horsham. 3 From today and other one last night.

The 4 in tomorrow; 2 of them raced today. 1 raced Friday Saturday and Master Kiesey Friday Saturday and today.

He must know how to keep them sound! And 'fresh'.

Fast work in the morning? :rolleyes:

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[wholelotasound]

Ran 5th of 12. Got to line ok.
Same trainer had 2 others same race. One ran 3rd 30/1
Tomorrow 4 in same race Horsham. 3 From today and other one last night.

The 4 in tomorrow; 2 of them raced today. 1 raced Friday Saturday and Master Kiesey Friday Saturday and today.

He must know how to keep them sound! And 'fresh'.

Fast work in the morning? :rolleyes:

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Poor Old Bugga shows what a great horse he was been he would still go out and try his guts out. I really believe there should be a Limit put on how many times your horse can run I think twice in 7 days would be plenty. It really needs looking at to allow the horse to recover and be at its best every race it is entered into. There has been no consideration for the horse what so ever and at the grand age of 13 he definitely has deserved a retirement.

[Maorisidol]

Poor Old Bugga shows what a great horse he was been he would still go out and try his guts out. I really believe there should be a Limit put on how many times your horse can run I think twice in 7 days would be plenty. It really needs looking at to allow the horse to recover and be at its best every race it is entered into. There has been no consideration for the horse what so ever and at the grand age of 13 he definitely has deserved a retirement.

Every horse every race Trainer Brian Kiesey takes to the races when they race 2 days in a row are always vetted...
To my knowledge never has any of his 4 trotters been denied a run on the grounds of ill health relevant to too much racing.
Today the vet checked MK and was passed fit to run, his 3rd in 3 days and he ran really well!
Are the vets idiots? I don't think so...
If these horses were running last and obviously distressed then the vets have a case and the trainer could see that distress.
And yes they both ran last and second last last night against My High Expectations, that decision baffles me as to why they were entered into that race.
However generally his horses seem to cope quite ok in fact sometimes thrive on it.
In fact i remember a year or more ago i picked a first 4 and because Candy Digger who ran 3rd today had raced the day before i left her out of one of my winning chances but had her for 2nd 3rd 4th, and you guessed it she won, cost me about $1000 or so!

[Toohard]

A 2nd and 3rd in the trot today. Master Keisey 3rd. Other one galloped twice and other one scratched. Maybe hiding up tree when went catch it?

Also had 1 in pace race. Nicmac Bromac. Ran 2nd at good odds. Had 8 runs in December 2013. 4 in January 2014 but only 1 in February before today. Everywhere from Warragul to Albury and Mt Gambier. Ran 2nd today in 2nd run for this month. Obviously in need of run

Can't knock his keeness to travel. 3 cheques from 4 runners not bad days work.

[Toohard]

Just been reminded by someone that in some places in world..little brown jug, Hambletonian, etc, 3yos have to go 2, sometimes 3, 1.55 or less mile races in space of couple hours.

[Richard prior]

Hi Paul, Still don't agree with racing the horses so often but each to their own. If the guys getting results and the horses are okay and cleared by the vets, Good on him. Some horses seem to thrive on it, I remember a pretty smart mare named Nidya loved backing up after a few days off and often raced twice a week.

[teecee]

RACE 7 - E B COCHRAN TROTTERS CUP (GROUP 2) (2240 MS)
Both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach, which had competed the previous night at Ballarat, were examined by the on-course veterinarian and cleared to start.

Master Kiesey pulled hard during the running when occupying a position on the peg line. Master Kiesey then gave ground inside the final 400m to be beaten 51m. Master Kiesey was continued on its last chance to race truly. In arriving at this course of action stewards considered that Master Kiesey was racing significantly out of its class, the time recorded for the last half mile (57.3 seconds) and that other than for the gelding giving ground over the final stages Master Kiesey was not entirely uncompetitive and therefore in the opinion of the stewards did not warrant being stood down given this performance.
Apple Beach tired inside the final 400m to be beaten approximately 70m. Apple Beach was continued on its last chance to race truly. In arriving at this course of action stewards considered that Apple Beach was racing significantly out of its class, the time recorded for the last half mile (57.3 seconds) and that other than for the mare giving ground over the final stages Apple Beach was not entirely uncompetitive and therefore in the opinion of the stewards did not warrant being stood down given this performance.
Brian Kiesey, trainer of both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach was advised in future to restrict such nominations and acceptances for horses to races more of their own class. A post-race veterinary examination of both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach revealed no abnormalities nor any obvious affects from recent racing.

[Maorisidol]

RACE 7 - E B COCHRAN TROTTERS CUP (GROUP 2) (2240 MS)
Both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach, which had competed the previous night at Ballarat, were examined by the on-course veterinarian and cleared to start.

Master Kiesey pulled hard during the running when occupying a position on the peg line. Master Kiesey then gave ground inside the final 400m to be beaten 51m. Master Kiesey was continued on its last chance to race truly. In arriving at this course of action stewards considered that Master Kiesey was racing significantly out of its class, the time recorded for the last half mile (57.3 seconds) and that other than for the gelding giving ground over the final stages Master Kiesey was not entirely uncompetitive and therefore in the opinion of the stewards did not warrant being stood down given this performance.
Apple Beach tired inside the final 400m to be beaten approximately 70m. Apple Beach was continued on its last chance to race truly. In arriving at this course of action stewards considered that Apple Beach was racing significantly out of its class, the time recorded for the last half mile (57.3 seconds) and that other than for the mare giving ground over the final stages Apple Beach was not entirely uncompetitive and therefore in the opinion of the stewards did not warrant being stood down given this performance.
Brian Kiesey, trainer of both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach was advised in future to restrict such nominations and acceptances for horses to races more of their own class. A post-race veterinary examination of both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach revealed no abnormalities nor any obvious affects from recent racing.

Good thing I think that Trainer was advised not to nominate so far out of class, good thing they did that I reckon,
However,
Why in hell were they accepted and chosen to be put in the race by those who selected the horses in the race?????????????
A T1 against the likes of My High Expectations etc, that's crazy shouldn't have been chosen to be in the race!

[Danno]

Just been reminded by someone that in some places in world..little brown jug, Hambletonian, etc, 3yos have to go 2, sometimes 3, 1.55 or less mile races in space of couple hours.

We used to race them twice a day four days in a row on the east coast show circuit years ago, just to educate them!

I raced a horse ( Caridance) twice in the one night at Taree in the mid eighties...he had his legs taken turning for home in the first one and backed up an hour and a half later and won.

a thrteen year old going around 4 days in a row is not a good look, but I believe in letting the horse show you....if you keep backing him up when he's telling you not to, then your a goose, I remember in those days a bloke around here had an 11 year old pacer on a hard mark, he raced him four days in a row, the horse got better with every run and won on the fourth night.

Let the horse show you and change tack if he/she tells you your on the wrong track, there is no set criteria that suits all horses.

Cheers,

Dan

[djgood]

Dad used to do the same in the late 60`s early 70`s used to follow show circuit horses would race 2 sometimes 3 times in a day then again next day afterwards off to the next show used to go all the way to rockhampton and sell the locals fit read to go horses
when i got my drivers licence he wished the circuit was still going he said thats where you learn to be a good and tough driver



We used to race them twice a day four days in a row on the east coast show circuit years ago, just to educate them!

I raced a horse ( Caridance) twice in the one night at Taree in the mid eighties...he had his legs taken turning for home in the first one and backed up an hour and a half later and won.

a thrteen year old going around 4 days in a row is not a good look, but I believe in letting the horse show you....if you keep backing him up when he's telling you not to, then your a goose, I remember in those days a bloke around here had an 11 year old pacer on a hard mark, he raced him four days in a row, the horse got better with every run and won on the fourth night.

Let the horse show you and change tack if he/she tells you your on the wrong track, there is no set criteria that suits all horses.

Cheers,

Dan

[eliteblood]

During November 1969, Lucky Creed won eight races for the month including three races in five days. In December he won another six races in the space of 15 days.

[Richard prior]

Hi Trevor, I remember something similar with Paleface, Just To Good and Hondo Grattan etc during the 70's. They would race on the Friday night at HP then have a runaround at a country NSW track midweek and then backup the following Friday night at HP regularly.

[Toohard]

A 2nd and 3rd in the trot today. Master Keisey 3rd. Other one galloped twice and other one scratched. Maybe hiding up tree when went catch it?

Also had 1 in pace race. Nicmac Bromac. Ran 2nd at good odds. Had 8 runs in December 2013. 4 in January 2014 but only 1 in February before today. Everywhere from Warragul to Albury and Mt Gambier. Ran 2nd today in 2nd run for this month. Obviously in need of run

Can't knock his keeness to travel. 3 cheques from 4 runners not bad days work.

I missed something! Also trained winner of Nicmac Bromac race!! 8 starts December 2013, 7 in January 2014. 4 cheques from 5 runners! 1 x 1st 2 x 2nd and 1 x 3rd.

[broco]

we've got one we give quick back up runs and the best he goes is when hes on those quick back ups, came unstuck last time we tried it as he hated orange track hung terribly the whole way and lost a lot of confidence into his next run, he doesn't do it all the time but if there are a few suitable races coming up (weak ones being the preferred lol) he does and then has a freshen up and goes round again, in saying that he doesn't see anything faster than a jog between racedays or a buck and a play in the sand roll even his freshen ups are just jogging off a lead horse and hes the one bucking his brand off come raceday, don't have any others we can do it with and wouldn't even try it with a lot but it suits him, the old saying each horse is different and should always be treated as an individual not just a number comes to mind there, certainly no champion but he feeds himself and that's all we ask round here.
Highly doubt he'll be seeing a racetrack when he's 13 though and certainly not expect him to be going round more than once a week.
Only going back 4 or 5 years the gallopers were still allowed to race twice on the one day and they are a whole lot weaker than our standardbreds.

[broncobrad]

Dad used to do the same in the late 60`s early 70`s used to follow show circuit horses would race 2 sometimes 3 times in a day then again next day afterwards off to the next show used to go all the way to rockhampton and sell the locals fit read to go horses
when i got my drivers licence he wished the circuit was still going he said thats where you learn to be a good and tough driver


David, up further north back in the 70s they used to have 4 or 5 races every Saturday arvo at Charters Towers, most horses raced at least twice. You can imagine how hot it was. That night, you would even find some of those poor horses getting carted back to the Townsville Showgrounds for another start that night. Most of these horses had extremely limited ability, as the old saying went, the further north the horse went the weaker the quality of horse was required. It was usually a Brisbane pacer that would take out the Townsville Cup each year. Back then as a very young bloke I thought it was wrong, the older I have got the more disgusted I am over what I used to see. Racing in Far North Qld is long dead now, but that one dark chapter is one that needed to be closed.


The thread began about Mr Keisey, such a gallant old warhorse, but what the hell does he have to do to find a paddock...turn 26??? History is littered with grand old horses at incredible ages still performing and winning admirably, some becoming immortal for their exploits. These days not so often. He may well be 13 and fulfilling all the ticks from vets and stewards, but when does someone say he is thirteen years old with a wonderful record...lets give him the kudos he deserves and retire him, instead of "how much more blood can we get from a stone". Disgusted!

[Messenger]

I find it incredible that so many assume retirement means a paddock - we would all like to think so BUT let's get real

[Toohard]

Nicmac Bromac 6th run in 9 days today. Wins paying $10. Think done roughly 2,500kms in last 9 days. Goes 28 last quarter and wins today rating 1.58. Amazing.

Also in again tomorrow night Mildura. Another 1000km trip if runs.

[mango]

That's great he is in at Mildura, it will save the trainer waking up early in the morning to work him lol.

[Messenger]

Hard to believe a horse who has won 5 of 172 could start as short as 9/1 in anything other than a pony trot :D Tells you a lot about the abomination that sprint lanes are. Next thing you know, the AFL will be asking rich footy clubs to give money to the poor ones ;)

Unlike Master Kiesey, NB is only half way through his 8yo season, I reckon he could have a crack at a triple century

ps Was on track to see Nicmac win and the word from the stable was that today was only a warm up for Mildura :eek:

[Lenem]

Hard to believe a horse who has won 5 of 172 could start as short as 9/1 in anything other than a pony trot :D Tells you a lot about the abomination that sprint lanes are. Next thing you know, the AFL will be asking rich footy clubs to give money to the poor ones ;)

Unlike Master Kiesey, NB is only half way through his 8yo season, I reckon he could have a crack at a triple century

ps Was on track to see Nicmac win and the word from the stable was that today was only a warm up for Mildura :eek:
what's the sprint lane got to do with anything??? It only presents the opening,the horse still has to be able to make use of it! It's not as if it takes a step onto a "moving walkway" like at various airports :):)

[Toohard]

hard to believe a horse who has won 5 of 172 could start as short as 9/1 in anything other than a pony trot :d tells you a lot about the abomination that sprint lanes are. Next thing you know, the afl will be asking rich footy clubs to give money to the poor ones ;)

unlike master kiesey, nb is only half way through his 8yo season, i reckon he could have a crack at a triple century

ps was on track to see nicmac win and the word from the stable was that today was only a warm up for mildura :eek:

hahahahaha

[Messenger]

what's the sprint lane got to do with anything??? It only presents the opening,the horse still has to be able to make use of it! It's not as if it takes a step onto a "moving walkway" like at various airports :):)
It is a 'Get Out Of Gaol' card and 'Advance To Go' card rolled into one - granted even then some horses are not able to get a payout, but what other racing do you see it in? In what other form of racing do they consider it fair (ie not to be an unfair advantage) - Gallops, Car Racing, Athletics, ....., No, No, No, NO.

[Lenem]

It is a 'Get Out Of Gaol' card and 'Advance To Go' card rolled into one - granted even then some horses are not able to get a payout, but what other racing do you see it in? In what other form of racing do they consider it fair (ie not to be an unfair advantage) - Gallops, Car Racing, Athletics, ....., No, No, No, NO.

All true but in none of these forms of racing is anyone pulling a cart which greatly increases the chances of "getting into gaol" in the first place ! I think your comparing apples and bananas!

[Toohard]

ps Was on track to see Nicmac win and the word from the stable was that today was only a warm up for Mildura :eek:

Scratched. With vets certificate stood down 6 days. Without stood down 14 days.

Either way at its next start its form will read 74761S

[Messenger]

All true but in none of these forms of racing is anyone pulling a cart which greatly increases the chances of "getting into gaol" in the first place ! I think your comparing apples and bananas!

They're both fruit :D You have a point but we didn't seem to need it for 100+ yrs - it is all for the punter

[Messenger]

Scratched. With vets certificate stood down 6 days. Without stood down 14 days.

Either way at its next start its form will read 74761S

:D

[Toohard]

LATOYA LASS in last at Shepparton last nite. 3rd start in 4 days. Won at 15/1. 1.57.7


8 runs in Dec 2013. 7 in Jan 2014.

[Toohard]

Candy Digger 9 starts in April. Started off the new month with a 4th today. Which happened to be its 4th Start in 4 days (and its 6th start in 9 days). Had spell over the long weekend. 9yo having its 244th start today. On my quick calcs it mustn't have started racing until late 6yo.:rolleyes:

[aussiebreno]

Candy Digger 9 starts in April. Started off the new month with a 4th today. Which happened to be its 4th Start in 4 days (and its 6th start in 9 days). Had spell over the long weekend. 9yo having its 244th start today. On my quick calcs it mustn't have started racing until late 6yo.:rolleyes:
Trainer said to be disapointed Candy Digger was denied a start at the Bool in the Grand Annual today.

[Messenger]

I think you two will have to form a comedy duo - might I suggest the name Humphreys B B :D

[Toohard]

Almost missed it Brenno. Snuck it in first up race 3 Ararat Sunday. Dunno how she goes fresh.

Tried to look it up..

http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/start.cfm?horse_id=531634

Only 9 months in 5 years hasn't been at races. 2 of them after first start July 2009. Raced every month from Dec 2010 to Jan 2013. Multiple times each month, every month for over 2 years. Amazing.

Could ask Luke to work out how many km's she's done in the float but I got in enough crap with the Mrs last night after she found out about the sprint lane assignment...

[Messenger]

What year is Luke in now Paul? Some of your assignments strike me as meaningful homework! :D

[Toohard]

What year is Luke in now Paul? Some of your assignments strike me as meaningful homework! :D


Year 8 is it? Form 2 in the old money. He can add 2 1/4s together to get a 1/2 quicker than anyone I know :rolleyes:

[Toohard]

Last years 'family tree' assignment. They didn't say had to be his family.

Did our foals pedigree back 11 generations. Pics attached are that of our mares pedigree only. Double that when add the stallion (of course). Went through whole role of tape by time stuck it all together
200201

[Messenger]

Paul, in an earlier life I was a chalkie and I would be proud of the meaningful, skill development homework you set your fine young man.

[Toohard]

A nice 4th Sunday. 3 4ths in row. Drawn the ace at Charlton Wednesday. Some nice ones off handicaps but got the feeling this is her race.

If not there will be another one next week... and\or tomorrow and\or the day after....

CMon Candy!!

[Toohard]

Race 2 today Hamilton. At start number 299 Master Kiesey 3rd after running in start 298 last night.

At start number 251 the stablemate Candy Digger an unlucky 2nd in same race. Thats 550 starts between them.

A freshen up before start 300. Goes round on Thursday.

[Frano1982]

He defiantly had every chance in that race today Paul...

[Maorisidol]

He defiantly had every chance in that race today Paul...

He sure did Adam,
about 6-12 months ago his stablemate, Candy Digger could never beat him home, but nowadays she regularly is outrunning him in the straight...
Their 2nd and 3rd the other day paid just under 4K with Lovable Nick in the Trifecta and they can very easily both be placed and or win this Thu arvo at Charlton at 1215pm.
There is nothing like the quality they faced yesterday at Hamilton so therefore their starting prices will be quite lower so can't see a Tri paying that much again with them involved.
Champ Devine off 30m best horse in race should win, Cudgee Boy should lead from the front and be there for a place or even win, Wicked Schemes has ability to win, has won on this, his home track, but loves to gallop.
Belsband has a nice last 400-200m but the 68009007 tells a story, however these trotters can sometimes put it all together some days and win by 10m.
Would be the story of stories if the Master could win at his 300th race, maybe a fitting way to be retired!!???

[Amlin]

Doubt he will be retired when the 300 comes up - he's in the TM0 at Melton the next night!

[Toohard]

Doubt he will be retired when the 300 comes up - he's in the TM0 at Melton the next night!
Also the T1 Ballarat Saturday night

[Maorisidol]

Also the T1 Ballarat Saturday night

and nominated for Cranbourne Sunday nite! so thats racing Thu Fri Sat, nommed Sun,

[brent_L]

He sure did Adam,
about 6-12 months ago his stablemate, Candy Digger could never beat him home, but nowadays she regularly is outrunning him in the straight...
Their 2nd and 3rd the other day paid just under 4K with Lovable Nick in the Trifecta and they can very easily both be placed and or win this Thu arvo at Charlton at 1215pm.
There is nothing like the quality they faced yesterday at Hamilton so therefore their starting prices will be quite lower so can't see a Tri paying that much again with them involved.
Champ Devine off 30m best horse in race should win, Cudgee Boy should lead from the front and be there for a place or even win, Wicked Schemes has ability to win, has won on this, his home track, but loves to gallop.
Belsband has a nice last 400-200m but the 68009007 tells a story, however these trotters can sometimes put it all together some days and win by 10m.
Would be the story of stories if the Master could win at his 300th race, maybe a fitting way to be retired!!???
Spot on Ash, love your work.

[Toohard]

Spot on Ash, love your work.

Yes great work Ash. Fav stuck 3 wide last lap and a bit. Master Kiesey looked winner on turn but Candy Digger held him off.

Not only a quinella to trainer but also won the next with The Final Cut.

[Amlin]

I have done a little yarn about today's race on my Blog - I have uncovered a couple of interesting stats on the old Master...


http://kylegalley.tumblr.com/

[Toohard]

I have done a little yarn about today's race on my Blog - I have uncovered a couple of interesting stats on the old Master...


http://kylegalley.tumblr.com/

Good stuff Kyle.

We did a bit of research ourselves last night. Since Jan 2011 (42 months) he has only not been at the races for 3 months. August 2012, August 2013 and September 2013.

I might be wrong but I think he is one of only 2 horses still racing to have won both at Moonee Valley and Melton (Smoken Up being the other).

If you look at how far he has travelled its roughly (conservatively) 3 times around the world (a 1/3rd of the way to the moon).

[Messenger]

I am going to tell your missus that you had Paul adding up all those kms ;)

[Messenger]

Good stuff Kyle.

We did a bit of research ourselves last night. Since Jan 2011 (42 months) he has only not been at the races for 3 months. August 2012, August 2013 and September 2013.

I might be wrong but I think he is one of only 2 horses still racing to have won both at Moonee Valley and Melton (Smoken Up being the other).

If you look at how far he has travelled its roughly (conservatively) 3 times around the world (a 1/3rd of the way to the moon).

He is a traveller - he likes to holiday in Calcutta at the end of winter each year. I saw him there on one of my trips and took this snap of him putting his feet up

[aussiebreno]

Good stuff Kyle.

We did a bit of research ourselves last night. Since Jan 2011 (42 months) he has only not been at the races for 3 months. August 2012, August 2013 and September 2013.

I might be wrong but I think he is one of only 2 horses still racing to have won both at Moonee Valley and Melton (Smoken Up being the other).

If you look at how far he has travelled its roughly (conservatively) 3 times around the world (a 1/3rd of the way to the moon).
Still a few, I had a quick look.
Mr Zion. (Although hasn't race for 4 months)
Village of Dreams - 5months off
Broadways Best
Villagem

I heard he was on the comeback trail a few months ago but haven't cited him, but massive effort Captain Joy with wins at Harold Park, Moonee Valley, Menangle, Melton

[Toohard]

He is a traveller - he likes to holiday in Calcutta at the end of winter each year. I saw him there on one of my trips and took this snap of him putting his feet up

Hahaha

Yes Brenno you're right. Luke just home from school and reminded me about couple of them. "You remember dad...". I'm struggling remember what happened yesterday.

He's checking but reckon I might be right if say only one to win on the old and new Hamilton track?

[Amlin]

Horsham Monday can also be added to the list - Sunday will be the day of rest for two of them by the looks. Even the stewards, callers, judges and video people don't go to as many meetings in a week as these horses do!

[aussiebreno]

He's checking but reckon I might be right if say only one to win on the old and new Hamilton track?
Yeah might leave that one to Luke!

[Harness Joy]

Still a few, I had a quick look.
Mr Zion. (Although hasn't race for 4 months)
Village of Dreams - 5months off
Broadways Best
Villagem

I heard he was on the comeback trail a few months ago but haven't cited him, but massive effort Captain Joy with wins at Harold Park, Moonee Valley, Menangle, Melton

Captain Joy has struggled with leg issues in recent times and a decision on racing again will be made towards the end of the year.

[Richard prior]

Good luck with him Michael

[Harness Joy]

Many thanks. Its a long shot but we're ever hopeful.

[Maorisidol]

Yes great work Ash. Fav stuck 3 wide last lap and a bit. Master Kiesey looked winner on turn but Candy Digger held him off.

Not only a quinella to trainer but also won the next with The Final Cut.

Thnx Paul and Brent. Congrats to Team Kiesey today great day for the stable, 2 wins and a 2nd. T.Handry owner of the Master is also 50% owner of the 2 stable winners, so today was a day to remember, well done.
The Final Cut has been racing very well lately (in comparison to her norm of the last year or so, she hasn't galloped for quite a while) and been racing without luck a bit too. Have been on her a bit lately including last night at $58 when got away well but landed in the death outside a handy Chris Lang horse, so again no luck there, Chris wasn't giving up the lead. Hence i thought today after a hard run in the death last night that today her last 100m might might find her out but she fought well and got the second box of chocolates for the team today. Although would have preferred the $58 as opposed to todays $5.5 Fixed!

[Gtrain]

Still a few, I had a quick look.
Mr Zion. (Although hasn't race for 4 months)
Village of Dreams - 5months off
Broadways Best
Villagem

I heard he was on the comeback trail a few months ago but haven't cited him, but massive effort Captain Joy with wins at Harold Park, Moonee Valley, Menangle, Melton

Smudge bro mac and Composed a couple racing tonight that fit the bill. Garnet River another that fits, though not racing on our shores...

[dmac43]

I'll throw in Our Malabar and Cosmic Under Fire as horses taht have won at both Melton and moonee valley. Our malabar hasn't raced since march, but CUF raced last week. There might even be a couple more in the GDP claiming ranks

[Maorisidol]

Great win by today by Master Kiesey at Maryborough to lead all the way after an unlucky 4th yesterday!
He was second up today after having 9 days off, that was after racing 4 days in a row...
well done Brian, don't know if you read this but i shook your hand after the presentation today! "love the old guy!"

[Messenger]

Any bookies there for you to get on Ash?

[Maorisidol]

Any bookies there for you to get on Ash?

1 Bookie, who had very very very conservative odds all day long...was on the Master himself for a place only as well as 2nd and 3rd place and the trifecta which paid about $340???

[Danno]

Great win by today by Master Kiesey at Maryborough to lead all the way after an unlucky 4th yesterday!
He was second up today after having 9 days off, that was after racing 4 days in a row...
well done Brian, don't know if you read this but i shook your hand after the presentation today! "love the old guy!"

:p Thought he was looking for a spell, looks like the break was just what he needed hey?:cool:

[Messenger]

1 Bookie, who had very very very conservative odds all day long...was on the Master himself for a place only as well as 2nd and 3rd place and the trifecta which paid about $340???
I forgot about an on course TAB - shows I am not much of a punter anymore
Not that I have ever been to many non TAB meetings

[Toohard]

2 in a row! Just won last at Charlton paying $21. Stable quinella and also 4th.

Three-peat Saturday night Ballarat?

[Maorisidol]

2 in a row! Just won last at Charlton paying $21. Stable quinella and also 4th.

Three-peat Saturday night Ballarat?
Master scratched ineligible after his last win but Candy Digger leads and runs well for her 3rd 2nd place in a row, she's in form and recently gained 10m after dropping down a class.
Interesting to see the Kiesey stable now has My Archie Way and in true stable style is now having multiple starts per week.
Will be interesting to see how a new horse not used to this will go...was a bit scratchy in his gait tonite.

[The Escape Club]

He ran third in the sixth at Hamilton yesterday, the stable had the trifecta in the race.

[Messenger]

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA100814&ms=vic#BAB10081403
Quinella with longshots at Ballarat tonight

[Maorisidol]

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA100814&ms=vic#BAB10081403
Quinella with longshots at Ballarat tonight

And again tonite at Echuca!
Same 2 Kiesey pacers Latoya Lass beats stablemate Nicmac Bromac. Quinella $61.80, Exacta $59.30.
4 days ago Latoya beat Nicmac Quinella $67.20, Exacta $147.10

[Toohard]

Master Kiesey start 350 today in R1 at Horsham :cool:

[Toohard]

Master Kiesey start 350 today in R1 at Horsham :cool:

AND WINS!!! :cool::cool::cool:

[Richard prior]

Nice Quinella to the Kiesey stable!!

[Adaptor]

Well... despite what everyone thinks.....HE WON at Horsham !

[wholelotasound]

Who Cares !!! its a disgrace that he has been racing so much at his grand age. Needs to be a age limit and start limit on race horses. otherwise harness racing will be the next to be targeted for animal cruelty. Imagine how many miles that poor horses legs have done.

[Messenger]

I can understand that reaction Ben but I for one do not know any particulars on Mr K. He may have legs of iron, he may not do anything on the training track when he is raced frequently, he may be a pampered pet when he is not on the track etc etc Any decisions on racing fitness have to be a case by case veterinary decision IMO

[Maorisidol]

Who Cares !!! its a disgrace that he has been racing so much at his grand age. Needs to be a age limit and start limit on race horses. otherwise harness racing will be the next to be targeted for animal cruelty. Imagine how many miles that poor horses legs have done.

I hear where you are coming from Ben, but do you think if the horses legs were that fatigued and if his age was a physical debilitating issue, that that would show in his performances on the track? That doesnt seem to be the case...
Fatigue does not allow a human or an animal to perform a task or a skill at its best.
Fatigue will cause a poor performance and on a racetrack such as the trots, a fatigued horse should run near last every start if it was truly overtrained with its body in a negative state where injuries are rife and crippling.
Master Kiesey seems to be fine and healthy, rather than be fatigued and running last, he won!

[wholelotasound]

He is a true champ thats for sure he tries each and every time like all good horses do. But there does come a time when enough is enough winning or not. Give the poor fella a good retirement as he has well deserved same goes for destreos. they both done more miles than most cars

[Toohard]

He's a marvel!

51 more starts to break Cane Smokes record of 400.

I'm guessing Shepparton 27th JUNE 2015 :rolleyes:

[Messenger]

He's a marvel!

51 more starts to break Cane Smokes record of 400.

I'm guessing Shepparton 27th JUNE 2015 :rolleyes:

You're an idiot Humphreys :D

[wholelotasound]

I'm sure he will break the 400 if he don't die before hand. Just hope the owners give him an expensive funeral lol

[Danno]

You're an idiot Humphreys :D

Pretty good at maths though!!!! dunno if he read the meeting calendar but!

[Toohard]

You're an idiot Humphreys :D

hahahahaha!

Seriously... That horse gets vetted before every start just about when backing up after couple days. Don't think ever been scratched by vets. Always looks great when at races when I have seen him there. I know for sure the trainer loves his horses.

This one in particular I believe is very clever these days. Am pretty sure read something trainer said about him one day. Said he takes him to Melton when races there and just lets him off float by himself and he always wanders off to the Tabaret! Said he just goes to collect him from there when time to gear him up.

When he races these days he keeps up for as long as he can and then he decides whether worth chasing them or not. Often outclassed these days but never once seen him pushed along if he's not in the race. A lot of the times the races wouldn't go ahead due to lack of numbers if he wasn't in the race. Especially in the winter months. If the horse is happy to compete who cares how old he is.

Same goes for the trainers other horses. A lot of them would have ended up at the knackery had he not taken them in and given them a try and a lot of trot races wouldn't go ahead without his horses. Recently he single handedly got trot races back to Mt Gambier. Remember the race where he trained the whole field there? Now they are run regularly even if his horses aren't there to compete.

I can't comment on his training methods. Don't know enough about that. But his horses always look well cared for and every now and then they pop up as winners.

Lots of things wrong with harness racing at the moment. But don't think this is one of them. He's a passionate harness racing person and the game could do with a lot more passionate people.

[Messenger]

Great post Paul

[Maorisidol]

Great post Paul

+1!!! good stuff Paul, all very correct

[Adaptor]

Just noted the rule change from Harness Racing Victoria:

Frequency of Race Starts
In accordance with Harness Racing Victoria’s commitment to horse welfare, the following policy will be introduced.
‘A horse with two unfulfilled engagements (as a starter, not as an emergency) at acceptance time for any race will be deemed ineligible to compete in such race’.

[aussiebreno]

Just noted the rule change from Harness Racing Victoria:

Frequency of Race Starts
In accordance with Harness Racing Victoria’s commitment to horse welfare, the following policy will be introduced.
‘A horse with two unfulfilled engagements (as a starter, not as an emergency) at acceptance time for any race will be deemed ineligible to compete in such race’.
In theory based on usual nom times you could race Mon, Tues, Sat, Sun but wouldn't be able to race Fri, Sat, Wed, Thurs. There is absolutely no difference to the horse welfare here. Why not just limit it x number of times per week?

[Richard prior]

In theory based on usual nom times you could race Mon, Tues, Sat, Sun but wouldn't be able to race Fri, Sat, Wed, Thurs. There is absolutely no difference to the horse welfare here. Why not just limit it x number of times per week?

+1

[Maorisidol]

The Fat Lady has sung.
Master Kiesey has been retired.
Trainer Brian Kiesey said yesterday, its time. So he has run his last race finishing with stats of, Career: 363-21-32-34 and $144,555 thats 24% of the time bringing home a cheque, not bad for 363 starts!
Congratulations to Brian on still having the horse alert and well in the twilight of his career!