When is a QDT not enough

[Messenger]

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH260214&ms=vic

Race 4 Maryborough today. Chris Alford received a QDT when beaten on $1.30 fav Mister Livan.
Chris is a super driver so how is it that he doesn't read this race better. His biggest danger Easton All Action - whom he normally drives is in the lead and in the small 6 horse field he is sitting last 2 back the outside. The lead time has been slow and the first half nothing special - how did he expect to run the leader down? Flyin Indy Air did not really want the death so why didn't he drive in his usual aggressive fashion? Anyway the leader rattles off 27.8 and 27.4 and the fav is beaten 6.6m

ps I had nothing on it - I do not bet

[Bob Smith]

I wasnt complaining i had $300 on the winner but the drive was terrible. Should of ambled outside and won in my opinion but i was chuckling with the slow 1st half with him sitting out the back

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

C'mon Kevin. You've been round long enough to know they dont go after the big boys. The small/part timers who they know wont or cant appeal will do!

[HaroldParker]

and when Nike Franco stepped out on Sunday, he was still in his Mister Livan malaise.

Not only did he toss away a G1, she would of won by panels but he almost buried her halfway up the Menangle home straight.

No QDT and not a peep from the peanut gallery going after Panella.

[Messenger]

Will have to watch it now Bob.

You do realize that your ego and quip like this peanut gallery one make you impossible to like - not that your ego would care LOL

ps How is it that you did not defend LP after your ridiculous not dangerous post - I will look for it on the appropriate thread, we would not want to get this thread off track now would we 'dress circle man'

[brent_L]

and when Nike Franco stepped out on Sunday, he was still in his Mister Livan malaise.

Not only did he toss away a G1, she would of won by panels but he almost buried her halfway up the Menangle home straight.

No QDT and not a peep from the peanut gallery going after Panella.
Only in hindsite does your comment make sense and I question whether u r talking thru your kick. Alford has one-one cover on the 3rd fav (who won its heat death seating pretty impressively) whilst the fav is leading. 100/1 pop moves 3 wide at the 1000m mark.......his choices are peeling out and being posted 3 deep the remainder of the trip (with no doubt a massive increase in tempo from the leaders in response to that move) or wait for the despised outsider to drop off and pounce from there. IMO he drove it by the textbook.

[Triple V]

and when Nike Franco stepped out on Sunday, he was still in his Mister Livan malaise.

Not only did he toss away a G1, she would of won by panels but he almost buried her halfway up the Menangle home straight.

No QDT and not a peep from the peanut gallery going after Panella.


VVV- Hey! No fair. Peanut Gallery is one of mine. Get your own material.

[Pena]

I have watched the horses last 5 runs including 2 wins and the horse has never done any work mid race including 2 wins. The horse has been driven consistently in this manner and perhaps if you do the form you would have realised the horse was a good lay at $1.30. I see there was no change of tactics so it got driven the way you would expect.
Bob comparing this too, cutting two horses in 8 days in half and the driving tactics involved in this race?? A you sure is not CallumParker there not far away from each other as you probably know.

[HaroldParker]

I have watched the horses last 5 runs including 2 wins and the horse has never done any work mid race including 2 wins. The horse has been driven consistently in this manner and perhaps if you do the form you would have realised the horse was a good lay at $1.30. I see there was no change of tactics so it got driven the way you would expect.
Bob comparing this too, cutting two horses in 8 days in half and the driving tactics involved in this race?? A you sure is not CallumParker there not far away from each other as you probably know.

Jack, first up in Sydney she worked forward from a wide gate to sit parked, eye balled the Fav in Q3 27 flat ! and outstayed Spicy Stride in 52 and change ... parked.

200K G1 on Sunday, she moved 3W into the 1-1 (less than 100m) in a slowly run race and relied on two other fillies to win it for her. Why risk it, ease 3W at the Half, let down on the turn. She'd had a charmed run up until that stage. A very negative drive on such a talented filly. Fortunately for her connections, she survived it ... just !

[HaroldParker]

VVV- Hey! No fair. Peanut Gallery is one of mine. Get your own material.

Sorry mate !

As a fellow apologist for Lauren Panella, there's no denying that her drive on Mach Beauty was unfortunate. Smolda moving up the track carrying Beautide with him didn't help. She should of stayed inside and I bet Glen Craven and Gavin Lang wish they had too. Todd pulled their pants down from 5 fenced to 2nd.

She's not a dangerous driver, she made a mistake. She didn't cut Rock in half a week early, that's nonsense. There was slight interference and she got time for it.

The issue that most here have with her is that she drives fit and fast horses aggressively and a lot of people in the industry don't like it. It's taken them out of their comfort zone. See at Harold Park and before drivers "got it" at Menangle, peeps were happy to go along to the races, draw a gate with a nice horse, stroll to the front and win a lot of races by sprinting a last Q. If you didn't draw a gate, hope for a piece and try again next week.

She's female, successful and gives the middle finger to the Status Quo. That's predominantly why the "Peanut Gallery" don't like her.

Horses run for her when they don't or haven't for others. She's a great talent. I have no problem putting my hard earned on.

[mango]

Sorry mate !

As a fellow apologist for Lauren Panella, there's no denying that her drive on Mach Beauty was unfortunate. Smolda moving up the track carrying Beautide with him didn't help. She should of stayed inside and I bet Glen Craven and Gavin Lang wish they had too. Todd pulled their pants down from 5 fenced to 2nd.

She's not a dangerous driver, she made a mistake. She didn't cut Rock in half a week early, that's nonsense. There was slight interference and she got time for it.

The issue that most here have with her is that she drives fit and fast horses aggressively and a lot of people in the industry don't like it. It's taken them out of their comfort zone. See at Harold Park and before drivers "got it" at Menangle, peeps were happy to go along to the races, draw a gate with a nice horse, stroll to the front and win a lot of races by sprinting a last Q. If you didn't draw a gate, hope for a piece and try again next week.

She's female, successful and gives the middle finger to the Status Quo. That's predominantly why the "Peanut Gallery" don't like her.

Horses run for her when they don't or haven't for others. She's a great talent. I have no problem putting my hard earned on.

Hi Bob

Have you read the stewards report from the Lettucerockthem race, he received Lacerations to the fore and was also found to be lame which Lauren received time for so I find it hard to believe you call it nonsense. A mistake happens once and shouldn't happen twice within 8 days, also Newcastle November Lauren received time for steering her horse into another driver and horse after the completion of the race which to me shows no respect for fellow driver's and there horses. And also just to let you know I have No problem with female driver's and if it was a male I probably would be saying a bit more.

[Pena]

Bob my comments are with regards Mister Livan not Nike Franco!!

[mango]

http://www.hrnsw.com.au/assets/files/Appeal%20Decisions/Panella%20decision%20290413.pdf

[Messenger]

Bob, you have to be a buffoon. There may be a few who do not like her but how do you personally know why that is so.
As for successful female - she is just another of the very many.
Stop clouding the facts and making it a popularity contest - what she did to IV was dreadful, dangerous and an error that a pro should not be making or one that they should pay heavily for.
How would you feel if some of that supposedly 'hard earned' of yours had managed to buy a share of IV?

[p plater]

Bob, have another look at the replays....please.... L Panella on both occasions DID NOT TURN HER HEAD and look to see if she was clear to move out. She might have a medical reason for her lack of neck movement but these 2 drives were dangerous to the other competitors for this reason.

[brent_L]

Reading thru the posts I couldn't help but think of Top Gun

Maverick: What's your problem, Kazansky?
Iceman: You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.
Maverick: That's right! Ice... man. I am dangerous.

She's good....but she's sure as sh** dangerous!! IMO

[Richard prior]

[QUOTE=p plater;31060]Bob, have another look at the replays....please.... L Panella on both occasions DID NOT TURN HER HEAD and look to see if she was clear to move out. She might have a medical reason for her lack of neck movement but these 2 drives were dangerous to the other competitors for this reason.[/QUOTE
A lot of drivers seem to be able to sense if there are horses around them and will also have a glance over their shoulder before pulling out or changing direction, A skill that Ms Panella seems to be lacking at this present time. I'm not exactly sure what happens in the stewards room when a driver is dragged in and suspended, But surely they could point out to a driver where they have made an error in judgement and highlight this during the suspension process.

[broncobrad]

Watched the replay again last night, this time got the other half to watch it...now she knows about 2/10ths of SFA about racing (bit like me really), and asked her to watch the one in the pinky colours racing on the fence, I didn't tell her it was a female driver...her reactions went something like this "Oh my gosh, why did he just pull out like that, he nearly knocked over half the field, he didn't even look...he should have just stayed there until there was some room to come out, he should have waited because there wasn't any room. That was just dangerous, someone could have got hurt, what happened to him after the race?"


I told her a very very good horse got injured real bad and the driver was a girl and she got eight weeks...asked her, do you think the penalty was enough...she said probably not, but it sounds like she shouldn't be in the game!


I have always had a soft spot for Lauren...but I don't think any driver should receive special treatment and each case should be handled on their own merits.


Taking into account the importance of the race, the quality of horses involved and the fact it is this sports showpiece, then the penalty should fit the crime and in this case the penalty doesn't match the injustice served to the other participants.

[Toohard]

Watched the replay again last night, this time got the other half to watch it...now she knows about 2/10ths of SFA about racing (bit like me really), and asked her to watch the one in the pinky colours racing on the fence, I didn't tell her it was a female driver...her reactions went something like this "Oh my gosh, why did he just pull out like that, he nearly knocked over half the field, he didn't even look...he should have just stayed there until there was some room to come out, he should have waited because there wasn't any room. That was just dangerous, someone could have got hurt, what happened to him after the race?"


I told her a very very good horse got injured real bad and the driver was a girl and she got eight weeks...asked her, do you think the penalty was enough...she said probably not, but it sounds like she shouldn't be in the game!


I have always had a soft spot for Lauren...but I don't think any driver should receive special treatment and each case should be handled on their own merits.


Taking into account the importance of the race, the quality of horses involved and the fact it is this sports showpiece, then the penalty should fit the crime and in this case the penalty doesn't match the injustice served to the other participants.

Firstly Brad, for telling other half about the trots you are stood down pending enquiry!!

But you are right! Watching replay too other night early AM when young daughter up 'wandering'. Sit her couch and keep watching. She say "Are you allowed to crash people in trots?". No. "But that one did".

Am absolutely no way critic of drivers!! The opposite in fact. 500+kg going 50kmh+ controlled by 2 thin strips leather. Need to make split second decisions on top of that.

But...that was not a good look.

[arewetheiryet]

Both of Lauren Panella's drives were reckless. She showed a complete lack of respect an put the health and safety of all drivers and horses at risk. She should have been given 12 weeks the first time with lettucerockthem. To be given 18 days for that was insulting and embarrassing for the industry. In both cases the horses were badly injured, one will never race again, the other out for who knows how long. I can't understand this weak approach buy stewards, were drivers are suspended and aloud to drive another week just because theirs big races on. It acts as no deterrent when you have big races in following weeks. If your a trainer and get suspened thats it, your suspened from that day and your horses the following week are scratched.

[arewetheiryet]

How funny Kev, Leads and wins tonight at sheppartion
Of course no query of driving tactices. Stewards are completely weak in victoria.
Some of theses drivers could kill someone out their and they would never see it.


http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH260214&ms=vic

Race 4 Maryborough today. Chris Alford received a QDT when beaten on $1.30 fav Mister Livan.
Chris is a super driver so how is it that he doesn't read this race better. His biggest danger Easton All Action - whom he normally drives is in the lead and in the small 6 horse field he is sitting last 2 back the outside. The lead time has been slow and the first half nothing special - how did he expect to run the leader down? Flyin Indy Air did not really want the death so why didn't he drive in his usual aggressive fashion? Anyway the leader rattles off 27.8 and 27.4 and the fav is beaten 6.6m

ps I had nothing on it - I do not bet