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Messenger
06-13-2014, 01:35 PM
It is time to stop putting SC stories under a 'suspended' title - thus this new thread.
The man could be in for a big meet today
In Race 5 he has 5 of the 10 runners and Blake Redden has selected them to fill the first five

Amlin
06-13-2014, 09:16 PM
One can only assume Cramp appealed his 10 day suspension incurred at the meeting at Mildura last Friday - as he drove again today.


And copped a suspension in the first race - plus an adjourned inquiry into the run of the $1.60 fav - beaten 72 metres.


Anyone have thoughts after watching the replay?


http://media.harness.org.au/vic/RPC13061403.wmv

Messenger
06-13-2014, 09:43 PM
I just started this thread to give him a clean slate so to speak :eek:

For starters there is no way known that that horse should have been that short

Opting for 2 back the fence early and not coming out when the running line was taking shape does not look great but he could probably argue that in a 6 horse race he knew he would always get a run

As for what happened next - he is probably going to plead guilty to being cute again, as the speed went on in the 3rd Q he knew he was in trouble and he thought he could save himself going wide and come up under the horse in front of him - not like that he couldn't.

Has been suspended again for the drive but I doubt the inquiry will result in anything else

[Later won 4 in a row to bank some money for the spell]

Messenger
06-19-2014, 06:48 PM
Could be a big night for the stable. Craig Rail has tipped SJC to train the first 5 winners and 6 overall plus 2 seconds on the 8 race program at Mildura tonight.

Richard prior
06-19-2014, 07:44 PM
Not Wrong Kev, I know it's a huge call but I wouldn't be surprised if SJC trained the program there sooner or later.

Messenger
06-20-2014, 03:06 AM
SJC won the first 4 but then the next 4 favs got beaten - 3 of them his plus the Jack's Tezz Khora

Pena
06-20-2014, 04:52 PM
SJC is almost as hot as Shane Tritton. Trot tips tonight has 6 rated as odds on, and 2 other favourites. Only runners in 8 of the 10 so can't train the card.

BenScadden
06-27-2014, 07:22 PM
Reading harness.org.au, notice SJC just got eight weeks for a losing drive

Messenger
06-27-2014, 08:58 PM
Yep it was the drive I summarized in Post 3 of the thread - I wonder why the suspension does not start until July 6 - pretty bloody lucky in that respect as this means he gets another Mildura meeting on July 4 and the big Melton meeting on July 5

racenut
06-28-2014, 02:46 AM
Yep it was the drive I summarized in Post 3 of the thread - I wonder why the suspension does not start until July 6 - pretty bloody lucky in that respect as this means he gets another Mildura meeting on July 4 and the big Melton meeting on July 5

I think it's because he has the 2 other seperate suspensions to complete yet!!

Messenger
06-28-2014, 03:04 AM
Of course, thanks Jay

aussiebreno
06-28-2014, 11:33 PM
Chris Waller in Sydney today 4 winners including a quinella, a trifecta and a first four. Puts Cramp to shame!

jackthepunter
06-29-2014, 12:14 AM
Chris Waller in Sydney today 4 winners including a quinella, a trifecta and a first four. Puts Cramp to shame!

Only different is Waller has 120 plus in work

Messenger
06-29-2014, 02:07 AM
Chris Waller in Sydney today 4 winners including a quinella, a trifecta and a first four. Puts Cramp to shame!

I know you know Brendan, that SJC does that every Mildura meeting

Richard prior
06-29-2014, 02:43 AM
Really tough to compare these 2 trainers Breno, GW does have a massive team and his clientele would expect these type of results and SJC does really dominate his home track with similar results regularly. Way to hard to compare.

Messenger
07-02-2014, 02:30 PM
I think it's because he has the 2 other seperate suspensions to complete yet!!

That made good sense to me Jay - until I see he is listed to drive at Mildura on Friday - Appealed maybe?

Njcstables
07-02-2014, 02:36 PM
Kev I think drivers now get the option to delay a suspension for up to 10 days if they have pre-existing commitments or are booked for feature race drives. Given he had runners in vicbred semis/finals that would be the most likely reason he's still driving.

teecee
07-02-2014, 02:49 PM
http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=23843
http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=23846

Messenger
07-02-2014, 03:50 PM
Thanks TC and NJC, I knew some of those details and thought he would have had no problems getting a postponement until after the semi's but did not realize they could get a delay of up to 10 days

Messenger
07-04-2014, 01:34 PM
Racing at the Cramping-ground again today. Craig Rail only picks SJC to win 6 and come second in the other 2.

Richard prior
07-04-2014, 05:00 PM
Hope Craig's right in Race 4 Kev!!

Amlin
07-04-2014, 05:44 PM
From the Sunraysia Daily during the week...


Angry Cramp slams system


VICTORIA’S leading harness-racing trainer, Shayne Cramp, yesterday accused stewards of unfairly targeting him and bowing to pressure from rival trainers.

The South Mildura reinsman has been slapped with his third driving ban in the past 16 months, and said it was a “disgrace” he was hit with the maximum penalty of eight weeks after stewards found him guilty of denying his horse, Philtra Phella, the opportunity to win in a race at Mildura on June 13.
“I get scrutinised much more now because I am the main man up here, and I think I’m being unfairly treated,” he told Sunraysia Daily at the Birdwoodton stables yesterday.
Cramp, who has won more than $640,000 in prizemoney with 121 winners this season, accused stewards of bowing to pressure from rival trainers and drivers over the “greater focus” put on his driving.
The 30-year-old said sources inside the stewards’ office had told both he and his foreman, father Greg, that “they have been getting calls from other trainer-drivers up here about me for the past three years”.
“They are hitting me in the hip pocket,” a frustrated Cramp said.
He said the latest eight-week suspension could cost him up to $12,000.
“I’ve been driving at least four winners a week on average, so that’s at least $1500 a week it’d cost me,” he said.
“I am still trying to recover the loss of income from the six-month ban I copped last year.
“With this latest one, stewards are saying that there are two areas I am culpable in, and that I carried the weight of public money as the well-supported favourite, which was actually a false favourite given the horse hadn’t won in its 10 starts.
“Part of their determination was made because I had been previously charged under this same rule twice in the last 16 months.
“But what they are not actually saying is that in a 15-year driving career, before those two charges, I’d had only one breach of this rule before then.
“So, in effect, it was three in 15 years, which sounds a lot different than two in 16 months.

aussiebreno
07-04-2014, 06:44 PM
Hope Craig's right in Race 4 Kev!!
Opens $1.50 fixed :(

aussiebreno
07-04-2014, 06:48 PM
Opens $1.50 fixed :(
Shorter elsewhere...still some value in the totes, not sure how long for though.

Messenger
07-04-2014, 07:17 PM
Go directly to Go and Collect your Vicbred Bonus Mr Prior.

aussiebreno
07-04-2014, 07:24 PM
Go directly to Go and Collect your Vicbred Bonus Mr Prior.
He has taken off faster than the two leaders!

Richard prior
07-04-2014, 08:03 PM
Big smile!!! Thanks very much guys, It's very timely and congrats to Intransit's new owners. Glad to see the drivers and horses are okay after the crash and a big thumbs up to the outrider catching the loose horse up the home straight.

Messenger
07-04-2014, 11:16 PM
5 Winners out of 8 for SJC (plus a Quinella and a Trifecta)
It would nevertheless be a hard stable for a punter to follow. If you had put $100 to win on their most favoured runner in each race (and they sent out 6 of the 8 favs and had 2nd fav in the other 2), I calculate you would only have ended up about $100 ahead even on a massive day like today. Mind you, one of their winners was not their stable elect but they did win one of the races where they did not have the fav

barney
07-08-2014, 09:57 PM
He is listed to drive at Swan hill Thursday night thought he was out.

Messenger
07-08-2014, 10:31 PM
Supposed to have started on the July 6 - must have appealed the 8wks

Messenger
07-11-2014, 02:02 AM
He is listed to drive at Swan hill Thursday night thought he was out.
He had 3 drives and drove 2 winners and second in the other on a mere 6 race program
I reckon Shayne has driven quite a few 'while on suspension' (and appeal) this season

Messenger
07-13-2014, 02:04 PM
SJC is the state's leading trainer with 128 winners, 82 seconds and 51 thirds BUT that is only prizemoney of $676,321. He of course is making much more than his 10% cut of this (plus driving of course) thanks to training fees but most of his owners would have to be struggling to break even and this is with the state's leading trainer

Of course he struggles for Metro class winners with only 3 of his being in the city. I commend all our owners for putting on the show for us

Njcstables
07-15-2014, 02:27 AM
http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=23971

Messenger
07-15-2014, 02:36 AM
If that was the suspension he got when he was driving a false fav cute (the stuff Gavin Lang can pull off) then I am not overly surprised he got off

jackthepunter
07-15-2014, 03:00 AM
SJC is the state's leading trainer with 128 winners, 82 seconds and 51 thirds BUT that is only prizemoney of $676,321. He of course is making much more than his 10% cut of this (plus driving of course) thanks to training fees but most of his owners would have to be struggling to break even and this is with the state's leading trainer

Of course he struggles for Metro class winners with only 3 of his being in the city. I commend all our owners for putting on the show for us
Would be interesting to know how many his getting paid up for and how many are on deals

aussiebreno
07-15-2014, 10:49 PM
Kev hasnt posted tonight, you feeling alright mate?

Amlin
07-15-2014, 10:49 PM
Five from five so far - a bit of history might eventuate tonight I think...

brent_L
07-15-2014, 10:57 PM
Five from five so far - a bit of history might eventuate tonight I think...
That'll make lots happy in here!!

Richard prior
07-15-2014, 11:26 PM
Six from Six and he should win the next as well!!

Messenger
07-15-2014, 11:42 PM
Kev hasnt posted tonight, you feeling alright mate?
I don't mind him Brenno (provided he is not driving into horses legs) but I do not think domination like monopolies is good for any industry.
7 from 7, a trifecta and another 3 quinellas.

Messenger
07-15-2014, 11:50 PM
$1 all up is up to $416.75c Of course this involved picking his $17.10 pop that knocked off its $1.20 fav. Rich and I would have as we were talking about said mare last week!

Of course he has had the fav in every race and 5 faves have got up. Of 6 odds on faves, 4 have got up.

Amlin
07-15-2014, 11:53 PM
I am alive in the Quaddie - return of $18.40 potentially for a $2 outlay

Messenger
07-15-2014, 11:58 PM
I am alive in the Quaddie - return of $18.40 potentially for a $2 outlay
$16.40 profit will get you a Pot and Parma for lunch midweek at The Paradise in Cockatoo :p

Richard prior
07-16-2014, 12:00 AM
Yes we did Kev and she got the chocolates. I reckon Breno might have done alright tonight as well.

Sofoulis
07-16-2014, 12:05 AM
Wow - just wow!

aussiebreno
07-16-2014, 12:06 AM
Yes we did Kev and she got the chocolates. I reckon Breno might have done alright tonight as well.

I was only on your old one. A nice little late present for you!

Wowee!!!!!!!!!

Messenger
07-16-2014, 12:06 AM
8 out of 8

Not often do you see the driver of the 3rd horse saluting

Messenger
07-16-2014, 12:13 AM
As a little bonus - 8 wins AND 8 PLACINGS

Apart from the training he drove 3 winners and 5 placings

All up $1 finished at $833.50

aussiebreno
07-16-2014, 12:14 AM
Rc2 no6 the signs were there.

Messenger
07-16-2014, 12:19 AM
lol His 2yo winning its first start by 28m was the fastest MR of the night (Lucky Eight was 2nd)

Messenger
07-16-2014, 12:29 AM
Five from five so far - a bit of history might eventuate tonight I think...

First trainer EVER in Australia (HRA)
Congratulations SJC

Triple V
07-16-2014, 12:41 AM
OUTSTANDING! History has been made. Congrats Shayne Cramp.

Richard prior
07-16-2014, 12:44 AM
Massive achievement SJC, Congrats on being the First ever trainer to accomplish this in Australia.

brent_L
07-16-2014, 01:07 AM
Fantastic achievement, well done. Absolute dominance!!

I had to do the math on it though and it's alarming. Using Ladbrokes SP & the mid-tote price (I used the highest price for each SJC runner) the odds of this occurring were $2.15!! If using Betfair prices there's no doubt the odds would have increased but still wouldn't have touched $3-. What a great feeling it must be driving to the track with a better than 33% chance u will TRAIN THE CARD!!

Messenger
07-16-2014, 09:40 PM
Excellent coverage of the feat on Ch.8/9 Win News just now - really quite lengthy just BEFORE sport

Greg Hando
07-17-2014, 04:55 PM
Congrats SC a job well done.

barney
07-17-2014, 08:28 PM
Only 6 races at Mildura Sunday and see he has horses in each but no drives

Richard prior
07-17-2014, 08:57 PM
Oops, I misread that Kev and I'm sorry if I gave you the bum steer Brian.

Messenger
07-17-2014, 09:55 PM
Hi Brian, I think that he has to serve his time now, His appeal was dismissed earlier in the week.

see post 33 Rich - he got off didn't he?

Smart thinking to keep all his drivers happy in small stakes races

Richard prior
07-17-2014, 10:19 PM
Thanks very much for the correction Kev, I think SJC would still be celebrating.

Smoken
07-17-2014, 10:22 PM
We'll done SC! Amazing!

broncobrad
07-20-2014, 09:59 PM
That's the first 4 races in a row tonight at Mildura, next one is going to be tough though...in total that is 12 straight and he has won the last 17 from 18 races contested.

Messenger
07-20-2014, 11:40 PM
That's the first 4 races in a row tonight at Mildura, next one is going to be tough though...in total that is 12 straight and he has won the last 17 from 18 races contested.
Just having runners in 18 races in a row at a venue is amazing, much less multiple runners, and the fact is that SJC has had runners in 36 races in a row at Mildura now and he could still build on that. Considering his amazing affinity with the track he may have already done so in the past but to me it is incredible.
To have won 17 out of a sequence of 18 is frankly ridiculous

edit: I have lifted my already prolific posting to another level tonight and I am going for 36 in a row :D

Messenger
07-25-2014, 10:21 PM
Had runners in 6 of the 7 races today and won 5 of the 6.
His run of runners in consecutive Mildura races ended on 37 as no SJC in the 2nd today
Now won 22 of the last 25 races at the Cramping Ground

doncht
08-04-2014, 04:50 AM
Congrats to the winners here! https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png

Messenger
08-20-2014, 10:48 PM
I am starting to think that SJC may really be good.
Could Under Worked who won Race 5 at Charlton today have been under-worked in NZ?
He has only been in Oz a month and his MR of 1.56.4 was a massive improvement on anything he ever ran in NZ, for like his win at Mildura a fortnight ago - he had not broken 2min before today.
Admittedly all his 10 NZ starts were over 2200m
He was owned by Barry Purdon but trained by Tony Grayling

To be fair, maybe the track was really quick at Charlton today as 2yo winner Kinda Black also went 4 secs faster than he had ever gone before

Plunge Punter
08-21-2014, 12:26 PM
Would you like to expand on why you have that differing view Mister JayKO?

Messenger
08-31-2014, 03:04 AM
I think he would be secretly aiming at 8/8 again today

Messenger
09-01-2014, 12:37 AM
You could say 4 winners was an average return as he had the favourite in every race and one of his longshots beat one of them so he had 5 favourites beaten including 3 odds on pops.
A couple of times now his drive on Intransit has been ridiculous and the horse should have a picket fence in front of his name

Suspended again for his drive in the 3rd - most likely for interference near the finish or could it be for failing to get off the fence early (and not showing much go at the start)

Messenger
09-18-2014, 01:41 PM
Could Boris be the new Boss notching up 3 winners to Shayne's two on the 7 race program last night

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=ML170914&ms=vic

Wait a minute - Shayne drove 2 of them for him to make it 4 winning drives

The King still reigns

Messenger
10-08-2014, 01:39 PM
7 race program at Mildura tonight.
Surprising to see THE stable only has 6 runners in 4 of the races

doncht
10-12-2014, 03:01 AM
Skipping for this weekend as so many losses in recent days already. https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/1.gif

Messenger
10-29-2014, 12:49 PM
It has been 3 weeks between Mildura meetings - the Cramp household would have been on rations. I think they will be dining at The Working Man's Club tomorrow night ;)

The Form Student
10-31-2014, 01:44 AM
8 out of 8

Not often do you see the driver of the 3rd horse saluting

LES CHANT - 10 out of 10 - What remains one of his proudest achievements, however, occurred in the New South Wales country town of Canowindra when he landed the programme, driving all 10 harness racing winners at a three day carnival in 1946.

Messenger
11-13-2014, 12:58 AM
Second in the 1st Race then 6 winners in a row tonight

All Faves except in Race 6 when his second string beat his favoured runner

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=RP121114&ms=vic

Mister JayKO
11-13-2014, 12:04 PM
I eagerly await the Stewards Report of last nights meeting, particularly Race 5 where the leader drifted off the fence after being in a bit of a fight, handing the race to the stablemate.

The Form Student
11-13-2014, 12:07 PM
Agree, very coincidental!! The pretend sprint lane maybe!

Richard prior
11-13-2014, 12:31 PM
G.Cramp on the leader got a holiday and the stewards report will be very interesting reading.

The Form Student
11-13-2014, 12:53 PM
I eagerly await the Stewards Report of last nights meeting, particularly Race 5 where the leader drifted off the fence after being in a bit of a fight, handing the race to the stablemate.

Stu, the sprint lane fans would probably see nothing wrong with this!!!

Maorisidol
11-13-2014, 03:57 PM
Stu, the sprint lane fans would probably see nothing wrong with this!!!

Big difference between blatant cheating and getting a chance Stevo!

Messenger
11-13-2014, 04:45 PM
Did anyone follow this race (Rich?)
I wondered if the money for Intransit came late. The way the caller calls it, you would have thought that Tibytoa was the fav.
Intransit ended up $1.85 fixed odds

Richard prior
11-13-2014, 07:24 PM
Hi Kev, Pretty sure Craig had tipped Tibytoa to win and he should have been the favourite but Intransit was instead and there was a late plonk on him as well. Happy to see the horse win being the breeder but i'm left shaking my head with the circumstances.

The Form Student
11-14-2014, 12:43 PM
Big difference between blatant cheating and getting a chance Stevo!

Maybe the leader genuinely rolled off the fence! Check out Penrith, P J Hall final last night, R Morris gives up lead, gets out turn, no sprint lane, 130 metre straight and gets the cash!

Messenger
11-15-2014, 04:53 PM
http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-reports-detail.cfm?mc=RP121114&fromstate=vic

see Making Harness Racing strong thread

http://www.harnessracingforum.com/showthread.php?5881-How-do-we-make-Harness-Racing-strong-via-today-s-sports-betting-market/page14&p=37992#post37992

Mister JayKO
11-17-2014, 09:17 AM
Obviously the Stewards were watching a different race to me as the driver made no attempt to keep the horse on the rail. He should have received months instead of weeks. Don't hold up integrity as a strong point with people outside the industry when that happens. Every stereotype against the sport came to the for there.

Messenger
11-19-2014, 01:27 AM
I would say another half dozen winners at the Cramptown Races tomorrow night

The Form Student
11-19-2014, 01:37 AM
I would say another half dozen winners at the Cramptown Races tomorrow night

Maybe not, the other drivers have now worked out, that if you sit behind a Cramp runner, you will get a rails run in the straight! Keep an eye out for it!

Messenger
11-20-2014, 12:58 AM
Only 5 in a row (I thought he would win the last 6)

Messenger
11-27-2014, 01:14 AM
Only 4 tonight but he only had runners in 5 of the races so we will accept the 80% success rate

The Form Student
11-27-2014, 01:30 AM
Hey Kev, Dave Carlsson on SKY tonight said "Shane Cramp owns Mildura"...........where did he get that from I wonder???

An aside to that, watching Happy Valley gallops races tonight............R3.....Quinella pool ....$5.4 million!!!!!! on Supertab!

Messenger
12-08-2014, 01:02 AM
Ryan Hryohorec shares ownership of Mildura with Shayne Cramp.
3 winners each tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=RP071214&ms=vic

The running double on Ryan's R.3-4 winners pd $1.04

chinga13
12-08-2014, 10:19 PM
Good night for Halls Harness Racing as well......Timansi is definately a horse too look out for in the future super run home.

Zanzi_Bromac
12-08-2014, 10:39 PM
Ryan Hryohorec shares ownership of Mildura with Shayne Cramp.
3 winners each tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=RP071214&ms=vic

The running double on Ryan's R.3-4 winners pd $1.04





Hryhorec a very underrated trainer/driver!

Messenger
12-08-2014, 11:36 PM
Good night for Halls Harness Racing as well......Timansi is definately a horse too look out for in the future super run home.

You made me take a look Joe - you're not trying to sell him are you ;)

chinga13
12-08-2014, 11:52 PM
Haha no Kevin I'm not but if he was for sale I would have him in my stables by now lol

Richard prior
12-13-2014, 10:27 AM
Good night for Halls Harness Racing as well......Timansi is definately a horse too look out for in the future super run home.

Spot on about Timansi Joe, Won last night at Port Pirie and paid $8.50 for the win, Hope you got on.

chinga13
12-13-2014, 10:03 PM
Yeah mate sure did, I was surprised he was paying so much after his last run and against easier competition. Another one to watch is Ratbags Corner got held in traffic but when he seen daylight had a super sprint home, very quick sprint speed.

doncht
12-14-2014, 02:07 AM
I was surprised he was paying so much after his last run and against easier competition.

Same here. But I think there's always a reason for that. I couldn't figure it out though. https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png

Adaptor
12-17-2014, 10:16 PM
First four races at Mildura tonight have been run.....and NO S Cramp winners.

Messenger
12-18-2014, 01:09 AM
I had noticed he didn't have as many starters as usual tonight - including only one starter in the first 4 races Noel :)
I think Shayne may have been playing Santa as all races were won my locals tonight
He did win 2 of the last 3 races however

Messenger
01-14-2015, 01:52 AM
SJC has only got starters in 5 of the 9 races at Mildura Wednesday night
but he has got 5 of the 9 runners in the 3yo

Messenger
01-21-2015, 02:38 AM
Can Whats Emma Got beat 5 Cramp runners in the 3yo at Mildura tonight?

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=ML210115&fromstate=vic#3

brent_L
01-21-2015, 01:00 PM
Can Whats Emma Got beat 5 Cramp runners in the 3yo at Mildura tonight?

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=ML210115&fromstate=vic#3
She has comprehensively taken care of Taj Bromac at their past 3 meetings & he would probably be considered far superior to his 5 stablemates going round tonight. You'd say that if Dani drives a good race she's basically over the line, but to take the likely $1.50 against 5 in his home town could also be brave hey Kev!

Messenger
01-22-2015, 02:04 AM
Whats Emma Got - another easy win

A couple of quinellas to SJC but he had to settle for 3 other seconds thanks to the ladies (& Malcolm Rettalick)

doncht
01-26-2015, 11:50 AM
Seen that one too. Watch out, I think there's more to come. https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/1.gif

Maorisidol
02-02-2015, 11:01 PM
I just started this thread to give him a clean slate so to speak :eek:

For starters there is no way known that that horse should have been that short

Opting for 2 back the fence early and not coming out when the running line was taking shape does not look great but he could probably argue that in a 6 horse race he knew he would always get a run

As for what happened next - he is probably going to plead guilty to being cute again, as the speed went on in the 3rd Q he knew he was in trouble and he thought he could save himself going wide and come up under the horse in front of him - not like that he couldn't.

Has been suspended again for the drive but I doubt the inquiry will result in anything else

[Later won 4 in a row to bank some money for the spell]

watching this replay today puts a different feel to the happenings doesnt it Kev!

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=RP130614&ms=vic#RPC13061403

Messenger
02-02-2015, 11:18 PM
watching this replay today puts a different feel to the happenings doesnt it Kev!

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=RP130614&ms=vic#RPC13061403

I never felt it was a great drive Ash - just that it was defensible (maybe even smart?)
I do not know that I ever stated it in plain english but I thought I made it clear that I did not like some of the happenings at Mildura and I do not feel any different watching that race today than what I did months ago

Race For Fun
02-03-2015, 10:03 AM
http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=25604

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/integrity-commissioner-tackles-alleged-corruption-in-harness-racing-20150202-1345ux.html

Messenger
02-03-2015, 09:22 PM
This might be a good time to post my Cramp stats. This year I decided to verify that nearly all the stables wins were at Mildura and took a couple of extra stats for the stable

At this point in the season the SJC stable has 49 wins in Victoria
43 of these were at Mildura ie 88% of their winners
They had starters in 79 out of a total 101 Mildura races (prior to tonight)
ie They won 54% of the races they had starters in
or 43% of all Mildura races

Messenger
02-04-2015, 01:59 AM
Local domination tonight BUT 8 different locals !

barney
02-04-2015, 10:49 AM
Its what the sport needs a level playing field

arlington
02-04-2015, 11:07 AM
Only caught a few races but just loved the competitive finishes.

teecee
02-04-2015, 04:50 PM
As Mr Cramp is no longer training nor "Owning Mildura" for now but is the subject of discussion in other threads this thread is now closed.
Whilst Messrs Cramp have been sanctioned by authorities on as yet undisclosed specific charges, any posts referencing Mr cramp or others by name need to be backed up with some substantiation of any claims made on this forum.
Any posts making unsubstantiated or speculative claims are liable to deletion. Please respect the rules of the forum.

Messenger
09-01-2020, 11:45 PM
I have reopened this thread as it is the obvious place for the following
World-first harness racing integrity study
The study focuses on former harness racing participants Shayne and Greg Cramp, who were convicted on race fixing charges at the Melbourne Magistrates Court and subsequently disqualified from participating in the industry for 12 years.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/world-first-harness-racing-integrity-study/

46 pages for me to read tomorrow

Adaptor
09-02-2020, 12:40 AM
I have reopened this thread as it is the obvious place for the following
World-first harness racing integrity study
The study focuses on former harness racing participants Shayne and Greg Cramp, who were convicted on race fixing charges at the Melbourne Magistrates Court and subsequently disqualified from participating in the industry for 12 years.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/world-first-harness-racing-integrity-study/

46 pages for me to read tomorrow

It's a long but very good read. The data that has been collected on the impact of the events at Mildura and the conclusions drawn from evidence show clearly what damage corruption causes.

Messenger
09-02-2020, 02:36 PM
I found Pg.38 Sec.7.6 Group or Team Race Tactics very relevant and found interesting statements such as

This is especially problematic when, as the analysis of the situation at Mildura makes clear, it
is not only corrupt activity but also the perception of corrupt activity that has the capacity to
produce detrimental effects.

There is a clear potential for conflicts of interest for any trainer with multiple horses in the
same event and it is not clear that existing rules and processes enable these conflicts to be
managed effectively. The rules of harness racing are silent on the issue,although HRV
currently has some procedures in place to attempt to address this.

Harness Racing Victoria needs to be confident that its existing
regulations in this area are appropriate in that the costs of addressing the problems caused by
the conflicts produced by trainers having multiple runners in a race outweigh the potential benefits

Messenger
09-11-2020, 04:05 PM
In regards to the above post about trainers with multiple horses
I heard back from Dayle Brown that
"HRV’s Integrity Department has a dedicated race fixing action plan and other internal policies that specifically relate to mitigating the opportunity of race "
So it would seem that he does not see it as a problem