He's baaaack!

[aussiebreno]

And better than ever?

P.S Trigger won a trial as well today.

[Smoken]

What a trial by Quinny! He is going just as good as he ever was if not better. I still think that Avonnova is definitely the horse to beat. Strong and versatile.
The king is back(Trigger), and he has a horrid draw and some very, very good horses to contend with... Hope lance goes easy on the Champ, as he has had a good little break!

Just saw the barrier draw.. Avonnova looks even more hard to beat for mine. I think Quinny will need a ballistic tempo and a good horse to tow him into the race, otherwise I can't see him winning. Thoughts?

[Smoken]

Why does Triggers trial replay have to be **#*# up! Grrrrr!

[Grinder]

Mach Beauty in 1, Avon 2, Quinny 6, Stuey 7.
Sub 1.51?

[brent_L]

Quinny drawn in no mans land. Reckon he'll need them to go a 55 first half to be a chance to get over them?
Will Avonnova be able to hold the death from SSL? Will he want the trail maybe?
Chilli drawn to be 3 pegs??? Or will he keep the back of Avonnova??
GREAT RACE

[aussiebreno]

Quinny drawn in no mans land. Reckon he'll need them to go a 55 first half to be a chance to get over them?
Will Avonnova be able to hold the death from SSL? Will he want the trail maybe?
Chilli drawn to be 3 pegs??? Or will he keep the back of Avonnova??
GREAT RACE
Keeps back of Avonnova and will run past him in the straight!!! Big call I know but it is finally a race that will suit Chilli.

[HaroldParker]

Keeps back of Avonnova and will run past him in the straight!!! Big call I know but it is finally a race that will suit Chilli.

Chilli Palmer @ 8-1 is laughable. Anything under 33-1 and you're being fleeced. Incredibly overrated horse at this stage. He has a 400m sprint tops in him with zero gate speed racing against horses that run back to back what he can only run one of.

You guys are reading this race completely wrong.

Team Hall get it right 99/100 and Quinny has brilliant gate speed when they can/want to use it. He'll be running the gate for sure on Saturday night.

With minimal gate speed from Condagen and even less so from Terror Time and Chilli Palmer trailing through, Quinny will be be straight onto the back of Avonova. I also think Condagen will beat Chilli Palmer into the two wide line if Picker is awake.

Stuey also runs the gate and on their last start there's the possibility that Mach takes a sit on him ?

Either way, the Champs goes Whoosh !

[HaroldParker]

IMO, Chilli's only hope of a top 5 finish is from 3 pegs.

[aussiebreno]

Chilli Palmer @ 8-1 is laughable. Anything under 33-1 and you're being fleeced. Incredibly overrated horse at this stage. He has a 400m sprint tops in him with zero gate speed racing against horses that run back to back what he can only run one of.

You guys are reading this race completely wrong.

Team Hall get it right 99/100 and Quinny has brilliant gate speed when they can/want to use it. He'll be running the gate for sure on Saturday night.

With minimal gate speed from Condagen and even less so from Terror Time and Chilli Palmer trailing through, Quinny will be be straight onto the back of Avonova. I also think Condagen will beat Chilli Palmer into the two wide line if Picker is awake.

Stuey also runs the gate and on their last start there's the possibility that Mach takes a sit on him ?

Either way, the Champs goes Whoosh !

Where is a market up?

[HaroldParker]

https://tatts.com/sports/harness-racing/harness-racing/albion-park-bt

[The Escape Club]

Chilli Palmer @ 8-1 is laughable. Anything under 33-1 and you're being fleeced. Incredibly overrated horse at this stage. He has a 400m sprint tops in him with zero gate speed racing against horses that run back to back what he can only run one of.

You guys are reading this race completely wrong.

Team Hall get it right 99/100 and Quinny has brilliant gate speed when they can/want to use it. He'll be running the gate for sure on Saturday night.

With minimal gate speed from Condagen and even less so from Terror Time and Chilli Palmer trailing through, Quinny will be be straight onto the back of Avonova. I also think Condagen will beat Chilli Palmer into the two wide line if Picker is awake.

Stuey also runs the gate and on their last start there's the possibility that Mach takes a sit on him ?

Either way, the Champs goes Whoosh !

Thank goodness, I thought I was the only one that thinks that Chilli is overrated.

[Smoken]

And imagine CP wins lol :p Who is Quinny's main dangers in your opinion and who will most likely end up being the fav on the night?

[brent_L]

Bob, u say the halls get it right 99/100.......if they go forward then that's the one.

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

Might have a little on Chilli now!

[brent_L]

Thank goodness, I thought I was the only one that thinks that Chilli is overrated.
Apart from the ludicrously short prices he has started lately I'm not sure who 'rated' him. I'm sure one thing that most did rate, was his phenomenal performance when sitting on Guaranteed's back and looking at the draw this weekend it's very possible to see him get a similar run on the back of a similar type to Guaranteed. I'd love some of bobs 33s each way but reckon he will be around the $12 mark. In the Tatts market posted Avonnova is the one who is massive unders......he should be double digits.

[HaroldParker]

Bob, u say the halls get it right 99/100.......if they go forward then that's the one.

Brent, they'll be running the gate for sure and he'll be straight into a gun trailing position within a furlong.

[brent_L]

Ok, we'll agree to disagree and time will of course tell. If u r right then it's race over...1-2 or better the others have zero chance of holding him off.

[HaroldParker]

And imagine CP wins lol :p Who is Quinny's main dangers in your opinion and who will most likely end up being the fav on the night?

Quinny will start Fav. I won't risk missing that 7-4 currently on offer. If he's a similar price nearer post time I'll dip back in.

[aussiebreno]

https://tatts.com/sports/harness-racing/harness-racing/albion-park-bt
Wow, markets up early not only for the Sunshine Sprint but also for the Melton finals this weekend. Well done Tatts!

Quinny now $3, wow get on. Can't see Chilli starting those odds, should drift. I was just making a comment I think finally things go his way (like they did in the Guaranteed race) and I reckon he can make a significant turn around on the result last week and run past Avonnova - who will be having his hardest run to date.

[Richard prior]

One things for certain, It's going to be a cracker of a race. Avonnova has been up for a while but he's a very serious horse that can race near the lead and run his last 1/2 in 55's or less consistently. I just hope they go mad up in front as they will run some serious time and IMHO there's probably only 2 horses in the field that can come home in sub 54.

[HaroldParker]

Wow, markets up early not only for the Sunshine Sprint but also for the Melton finals this weekend. Well done Tatts!

Quinny now $3, wow get on. Can't see Chilli starting those odds, should drift. I was just making a comment I think finally things go his way (like they did in the Guaranteed race) and I reckon he can make a significant turn around on the result last week and run past Avonnova - who will be having his hardest run to date.

I took $2.75 then $2.80 for $175 total so not exactly breaking the bank. I've just attempted to stick a further $175 on @ $3 and received a error message. Deleted the bet, refreshed the page, still $3. Logged out, went back in after a minute and Quinny is now $2.50. I see this all the time with the Corporates, occasionally with the TAB's. So with the $175 I like one at a bit of odds in the Winter Cup @ GP on Friday night @ $31 and $6. I attempted to put $25W and $150P, error message. Log out, go back in and it's shortened 10 points. I withdrew what I had in the account and I'll be emailing Harness Racing QLD tomorrow.

Every State authority has to come together on this and go after them, the Corporates and the TAB. Every dollar these guys turn away from Harness Racing punters is cents in the dollar that should be going back to the industry and isn't. I can't get $350 on at an average of $2.85 in a G1 feature. It's a joke.

Peter V'Landys has got the ball rolling for Racing NSW and HRA should be right with him.

[HaroldParker]

The trouble that Harness Racing has unlike the Thoroughbreds is that Harness Racing has sold their souls to Tabcorp (& Tatts) for peanuts and I doubt they've the backbone to fight.

[Messenger]

I have a budding family connection to the sportsbetting industry and a participant told me at the time of the changes to % turnover or whatever it was a couple of months back that they would be looking to ramp up their market share of betting on other sports and that racing would suffer.
With the variety of choices on offer and Australia's blind love of a punt, I imagine they could do this

I wonder whether we have created a monster that can just as easily harm us as it can help us?

[Big K]

The trouble that Harness Racing has unlike the Thoroughbreds is that Harness Racing has sold their souls to Tabcorp (& Tatts) for peanuts and I doubt they've the backbone to fight.

We are waiting with baited breath here in WA as the State Government has looked into the sale of its utilities to try and get out of the shit...and of course our Government owned TAB is in its sights.At the moment our TAB pays back into the local industry the highest percentage of all the States and any sale will be fraught with danger in most peoples opinions.Reading your last few posts Harold you are dead right!! its a joke that they wont take a good bet or ban punters from being too successful.Yep lets jump on the bandwagon!!

[Messenger]

Chilli Palmer has his knockers but his scratching is a loss

[Richard prior]

Disappointing Kev, I think he could have played a part in the race with his big finish but it still should be a cracking affair.

[aussiebreno]

Go quinny!!

[Smoken]

Well done to Quinny! Couldn't have asked for a better trip! Why would Coburn not just sit on Quinny's back has me scratching my head.. He handed the race to Quinny. Very bad move IMO!

[Maorisidol]

Well done to Quinny! Couldn't have asked for a better trip! Why would Coburn not just sit on Quinny's back has me scratching my head.. He handed the race to Quinny. Very bad move IMO!
So true i reckon Smoken.
What other driver would be sitting one/one with Quinn "exposed" in the death, and then you choose to go around him and swap places giving probably Australias fastest sit sprinter the sit on your back, allowing him to then just go "ping" in the last 200?????????????????????????????????????
All credit to the winner, but he was given the winners cheque after Avonnova went around him.

[Smoken]

I'm still a scratching my head as to who in there right mind would do what Coburn did.. If he allowed Quinny to breeze, it would have been game over for Quinny! Stupid move, Quinny was handed the race on a silver platter!

[aussiebreno]

Dont know about game over for Quinny from the death. I myself probably would have stayed one one but you must remember how many horses have come from behind to outsprint Quinny?

[Smoken]

There is no way Quinny would have won if he was breezing! Especially with Avonnova on his back! He's the best sit sprinter not warrior!

[p plater]

I think you should blame Jnr...he outsmarted them by coming out hard.

[Smoken]

Or Coburn was out of his mind.. What would have happened if Coburn decided to do the smart and logical thing and stay behind Quinny? It would have backfired big time for GHJ.

[Messenger]

I think you should blame Jnr...he outsmarted them by coming out hard.

Jack or somebody in the WOW thread said that he was certain to

edit It was Bob

[Maorisidol]

Dont know about game over for Quinny from the death. I myself probably would have stayed one one but you must remember how many horses have come from behind to outsprint Quinny?
How many times has quinn been in the death in the Eastern states for any horse to have that chance? Thats the most important thing here, quinn was "exposed" running crazy fast times and he hasn't done that before over in the east against this class, hence most would think he would have been quite susceptible. But once Avon went around, game over, quinn wins.

[Richard prior]

He'll yeh Breno!!!

[Grinder]

Breath taking! Obliterated the track record.

[HaroldParker]

From a punting perspective I was thrilled with the result. Very surprised that Stuey didn't run the gate and when he didn't, I was even more surprised (appreciative) that Cockburn vacated the 1-1 to sit parked. I understand that Avonnova has been making mince meat of them up there but he couldn't win the race giving Quinny the 1-1.

[Richard prior]

Don't really think that Avonnova could hoof it with Quinny in a sprint as he's not this type of horse and not many horses can, Suspect that Cockburn knew this as well and really his best option was to get in front of Quinny and hope that Mach Beauty who was running along in quick sectionals had taken the sprint out of the great horse, But not to be. Full marks to young Lauren on Mach Beauty for running them along but was beaten but not disgraced by a better horse on the night. The time was quite staggering on a 1000 metre track.

[Smoken]

If Quinny was stuck in the breeze, his sprint would have fizzled out. GHJ must have been giggling when Cockburn went to the death. 3 hrs later I'm still scratching my head wondering did he really think he would beat Quinny giving him the 1/1.. He must have thought Avonnova was Trigger in his prime.. Well done to Quinny for making the most of his opportunities.

[brent_L]

Agree with the above sentiments and I'm also equally amazed Cockburn gave the death up in the first place. Going into the race I was concerned about what would eventuate if SSL went forward.....would someone relent?? Gifting Quinny a) the death early, then b) giving him cover......well I spose it could have been a Xmas in July gift......u even wrapped it for him Bart!!

[Messenger]

If Quinny was stuck in the breeze, his sprint would have fizzled out. GHJ must have been giggling when Cockburn went to the death. 3 hrs later I'm still scratching my head wondering did he really think he would beat Quinny giving him the 1/1.. He must have thought Avonnova was Trigger in his prime.. Well done to Quinny for proving too good.

Edited for accuracy Smoken. ;)
It was a top run for anyone to run down Mach who also smashed the Track Record

[brent_L]

Jack or somebody in the WOW thread said that he was certain to

edit It was Bob
He did say he'd go forward but no way he would have had Avonnova handing over the death.......no way.
Just posted it on another thread so sorry to be a bore......B Cockburn handing up the chair.....WTF!!!!

[Smoken]

I agree, Quinny was to good on the night, only more so because he could not have wished for a more perfect trip. Yep, Cockburn must have been feeling very generous in giving Quinny that dream run, or as I said before, he actually truly believed he can beat Quinny while had the 1/1 and himself racing outside Mach Beauty. I wonder what he would do when they meet again..

[brent_L]

I wonder what he would do when they meet again..
Bake him a cake to go with the present!

[Messenger]

I think the question may be - would Mach have beaten ITMQ if Avonnova had not gone to the death, looking at how easily Quin dispensed with Avon. (Maybe I am being harsh)
Quin was so impressive I think he wins anyway and as for Cockburn's thinking - maybe he thought Quin was going to hand up to somebody and he did not want to be that far from Mach and if that is what he believed was going to happen maybe he thought if Quinny and I both have sits I am not going to make ground on him.

Who knows - it was a great race where a Track record was SMASHED

[brent_L]

Kev, for starts, it was damn obvious Bart wasn't thinking. IMO which counts for diddly squat, i can't see how Mach Beauty doesn't win if Quinny isn't 1-1. Gotta love what ifs!

[Messenger]

It is great how a little $60k race (less than a regular metro gallops race) can get us all excited and conversing so. I hope to hear from someone at Albion and someone at Melton tonight (COLD!) to let us know how sport is going 'on track'

[Novo]

I can't knock Cockburns decision to go to the death.. Surely Stuey gets put into the race if he doesn't and Team Tritton controls it.. Avonnova can't sit 1x2 and win, even if he is on the great ITMQs back, doesnt have the speed to run past him.. has to be on the pace IMO

[Richard prior]

Welcome aboard Keith, That's the way I saw it with Avonnova as well. The old track record was 1.51.8 and both Mach Beauty and Avonnova have both gone under that mark so they were far from disgraced. It was a truly great spectacle.

[Novo]

Correct was a great race.. Mach went enormous, surely if Panella goes 27.5 down the back she wins??

[Richard prior]

Wins or gets even closer!!

[Big Mac]

It is great how a little $60k race (less than a regular metro gallops race) can get us all excited and conversing so. I hope to hear from someone at Albion and someone at Melton tonight (COLD!) to let us know how sport is going 'on track'

Kev.
I was at Melton last night and a decent crowd was there to see some really good racing. And yes, it was a cold night.

[Smoken]

Bake him a cake to go with the present!

Bahahaha! If Quinny was to keep the death, there is no way he would have beaten MB, & I'm certain Avonnova would have had fresh legs to run a strong sprint. Unless Quinny has become much much stronger, & changed his racing style, I can't see how he would have won in the death. Looking forward to see them clash again, & hopefully they don't hand the race to Quinny again, because regardless that they smashed the TR, it was so predictable how the race was going to unfold when he go the 1/1. If Quinny would have won that race from the breeze, or in front, then that would have been amazing!

[Messenger]

Evangelos, I can see you have a problem with Quinny. If breaking the track record by 1.4 sec is not amazing you are not going to be amazed some YEARS.
I think you secretly see Quinny as a champion for your post suggests all he had to do was get a sit to win (or else you would have seen Mach as a genuine poss even with the way the race panned out). If you choose to barrack against him, you are in for more disappointments as it is not that hard for a good driver to find a sit.

[Smoken]

Not at all Kevin. I love all animals, regardless of having a soft spot for some more than others. I'm making a valid point. If Quinny was to be in the breeze, the chances are very high he would have compounded, that goes the same if he got the lead.
MB was the best run in the race by far, and he just got beat from the best sit sprinter in Australasia. I suppose it comes down to personal preference in what constitutes a great horse or a great race. I say it again, Cockburn's decision was a very poor one, common sense should have prevailed but it didn't for some bizarre reason. I also take it that if it's not that hard for a good driver to take a sit, then Cockburn was handed that from GHJ, yet decided to reciprocate out of his selflessness and good will..

[Richard prior]

Not 100% sure but Quinny's time might have been a World Record for the track size and distance last night, Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Mighty Atom]

Not at all Kevin. I love all animals, regardless of having a soft spot for some more than others. I'm making a valid point. If Quinny was to be in the breeze, the chances are very high he would have compounded, that goes the same if he got the lead.
MB was the best run in the race by far, and he just got beat from the best sit sprinter in Australasia. I suppose it comes down to personal preference in what constitutes a great horse or a great race. I say it again, Cockburn's decision was a very poor one, common sense should have prevailed but it didn't for some bizarre reason. I also take it that if it's not that hard for a good driver to take a sit, then Cockburn was handed that from GHJ, yet decided to reciprocate out of his selflessness and good will..

When Cockburn decide to go around ITMQ to sit outside he signed all their own Death Warrants. Did he honestly think he could win with Quinny parked right behind him?

[brent_L]

Don't mean to beat a dead horse but I do get where Smoken is coming from Kev. Quinny is an out and out champion, nobody is denying that (at least I don't think they r), it's the circumstances of his victory that's in question. I consider myself a better than decent judge on how a race should/will pan out and I can tell u no one, bloody no one on earth would have drawn up the script the way it unfolded last night (I know Bob said Jnr would go forward but I'm sure he expected Quinny to slot in 1 or 2 back....would like to know his thought if you're out there Bob). If that was the speed map he would of started $1.40! That said IMO like Smokens, the leader was clearly the best run in the race and should have won.
It's like u said though Kev, it's great this little race created this much attention, both before & after.
Cheers

[Messenger]

Not at all Kevin. I love all animals, regardless of having a soft spot for some more than others. I'm making a valid point. If Quinny was to be in the breeze, the chances are very high he would have compounded, that goes the same if he got the lead.
MB was the best run in the race by far, and he just got beat from the best sit sprinter in Australasia. I suppose it comes down to personal preference in what constitutes a great horse or a great race. I say it again, Cockburn's decision was a very poor one, common sense should have prevailed but it didn't for some bizarre reason. I also take it that if it's not that hard for a good driver to take a sit, then Cockburn was handed that from GHJ, yet decided to reciprocate out of his selflessness and good will..

Evangelos, this post makes it perfectly clear that you have a problem with Quinny and the emboldened part should have a massive IMO

As much as it comes down to personal preference as to what constitutes a great horse the facts show that ITMQ is a GREAT horse (in 99% ? of people's opinions)

I have to admit to entering this thread to balance out some of the negativity towards a smashing win last night - and if you look at this thread there is a fair dose of it. And yet as Richard points out that might be a World Rec for that size track.

I am a big, big Smoken fan (see sig) but that does not stop me from admiring Quinny. To be exciting our sport needs front running bulldogs and dazzling swoopers

There are others but one list that includes only great horses is
http://www.interdomhof.com.au/champion-horses.asp

I have suggested to HRA that we need a Hall of Fame for more than just multi Inter winners mind you

Cheers

[brent_L]

When Cockburn decide to go around ITMQ to sit outside he signed all their own Death Warrants. Did he honestly think he could win with Quinny parked right behind him?
What's your opinion of him even getting the chair in the first place Rod? Don't think the likes of Lewis, Woodley, Brown would have been so accommodating!

[Mighty Atom]

I'm Themightyquin = Super Star. Could you imagine what the time would have been if the race had been at Menangle? Noticed that L. Panella applied the whip 13 times to MB up the straight, Junior just once to ITMQ. Also noticed that G Hall junior did not even give Ms Panella as much as a glance after the winning post. Intentional or not?

[Smoken]

Ye he must have been in a Kamikaze kinda mood.. I'll be calling him Cocky Cockburn from now on!

[Messenger]

I'm Themightyquin: Super Star www.probertencyclopaedia.com200 × 171

The link is not working Rod

[Smoken]

That's fine Kev, we all have opinions and I'm fine with that. Facts are, everything I said is not based on some personal dislike to Quinny or GHJ, just common sense and facts from the past regarding Quinny. As Brent said, none of the Perth based drivers would have been as accommodating as Cockburn. And what was the point of SSL being in the race last night? Weird race...

[Messenger]

On the SSL point Ev, do you think Cockburn had the race mapped as SSL coming around (and hanging back in the death to give Mach an extra length into the str) and did not fancy being 3 len from Mach

[Mighty Atom]

Don't really think that Avonnova could hoof it with Quinny in a sprint as he's not this type of horse and not many horses can, Suspect that Cockburn knew this as well and really his best option was to get in front of Quinny and hope that Mach Beauty who was running along in quick sectionals had taken the sprint out of the great horse, But not to be. Full marks to young Lauren on Mach Beauty for running them along but was beaten but not disgraced by a better horse on the night. The time was quite staggering on a 1000 metre track.

Hi Rich,
Agree with you that Avonnova could not hoof it with Quinny. In pre-race interview G Hall senior stated that Avonnova had been racing very well, but he didn't think the horse had the sprint to take on Quinny. Very astute trainer.

[brent_L]

Kev, just come out and say it....Cockburn drove a good race????????????

[Mighty Atom]

Don't mean to beat a dead horse but I do get where Smoken is coming from Kev. Quinny is an out and out champion, nobody is denying that (at least I don't think they r), it's the circumstances of his victory that's in question. I consider myself a better than decent judge on how a race should/will pan out and I can tell u no one, bloody no one on earth would have drawn up the script the way it unfolded last night (I know Bob said Jnr would go forward but I'm sure he expected Quinny to slot in 1 or 2 back....would like to know his thought if you're out there Bob). If that was the speed map he would of started $1.40! That said IMO like Smokens, the leader was clearly the best run in the race and should have won.
It's like u said though Kev, it's great this little race created this much attention, both before & after.
Cheers

Hi Brent, As Adam Hamilton said that you not only saw a champion horse tonight but a champion driver as well. Gary Hall Jr created that position for himself and put him anywhere in the field and he drives a great race.

[Mighty Atom]

Amazing that after all this time we still have the Quinny knockers. The horse has been racing against the highest echelons in harness racing for quite a few years and generally knocking them down like ten pins and yet we still have the usual suspects trying to bring him down to their levels. I suppose you will have something to say when he becomes the richest stakes earner in the world.

[brent_L]

Amazing that after all this time we still have the Quinny knockers. The horse has been racing against the highest echelons in harness racing for quite a few years and generally knocking them down like ten pins and yet we still have the usual suspects trying to bring him down to their levels. I suppose you will have something to say when he becomes the richest stakes earner in the world.
Fark, who knocked him in this thread.....no one!!! He is an out and out champion, perhaps the best I've seen. I butter up at the $1.20 every week over your way Rod. And Jnr, if not better is equally as good. They're just opinions on how ONE race unfolded.

[Smoken]

The circumstances of his win as Brent described is the only thing I'm going on about, I have not once bagged Quinny in this thread or has anyone else. Anyway you look at it, he was handed that race!

[brent_L]

For the record (sorry Evangelos), I've been quite the Smoken Up knocker over the years. Egg all over my face time after time after time after time..............

[Smoken]

Trigger has personally given me the most exciting times in harness racing, because I just love his style of racing, & when he does retire it will be a very sad day, but as I said in the other thread, grateful for watching him race. Regarding Quinny's next run, do you think the drivers of other horses will be so accommodating, or will they have learnt from last night? I know it depends on draws etc, but I just mean in general.

[Richard prior]

Lauren and young Cockburn would have learnt a lot or what Quinny is capable of last night and it will be extremely interesting to watch and see if they put their homework to use in the next few weeks.

[The Escape Club]

Hi Brent, As Adam Hamilton said that you not only saw a champion horse tonight but a champion driver as well. Gary Hall Jr created that position for himself and put him anywhere in the field and he drives a great race.


Agree.


People can come up with all the what, ifs they like. Fact of the matter is that the race panned out the way it did and he won.


If Jnr doesn't use him out of the gate then he's stuck 3 wide trying to slot in somewhere and there weren't too many gaps. so he's going a long way back and there's no way Quinny is coming from a long way back and running them down at that pace no matter how good he is. If Cockburn doesn't do what he did then he has the possibility of getting pocketed by the 3 wide train. As it turned out the gamble didn't pay off, Panella had them running along at such a clip that nothing was making ground on them.

[Smoken]

That's a risk Cockburn should have taken, as then Quinny would have been posted the trip & that devastating sprint he has would have been taken out of his legs. GHJ obviously somehow knew that nothing was going to come 3 wide to possibly pocket him in, not with Avonnova in front of him.
I know I'm just repeating myself here BUT, do you guys really believe if Quinny was stuck in the death, he would have won or finished ahead of Avonnova? And Kev, I don't look at a horses stake money to decide wether that defines them as one of the greatest horse. Trigger always won that Inter fair and square regardless of what transpired afterwards. I would love to see Trigger and Quinny go at it again, if Trigger was in his prime. Now that's exciting!

[The Escape Club]

Lauren and young Cockburn would have learnt a lot or what Quinny is capable of last night and it will be extremely interesting to watch and see if they put their homework to use in the next few weeks.


What do you think that Lauren would do differently? She's got the horse and the draw (anywhere on the front) and she 'aint driving any differently.

[brent_L]

Facts are facts. He wasn't 'used' off the gate, he coasted across under a hold and was gifted the death in a pedestrian 28 sec first qtr by a driver/horse who went 26.2 to hold out all challenges in the first qtr of the Len Smith mile.

That was their only chance to beat him last night Smoken, it's a precession from here IMO but should still be good viewing with the Tritton runners trying to devise a plan to beat the champ.

[The Escape Club]

That's a risk Cockburn should have taken, as then Quinny would have been posted the trip & that devastating sprint he has would have been taken out of his legs. GHJ obviously somehow knew that nothing was going to come 3 wide to possibly pocket him in, not with Avonnova in front of him.
I know I'm just repeating myself here BUT, do you guys really believe if Quinny was stuck in the death, he would have won or finished ahead of Avonnova? And Kev, I don't look at a horses stake money to decide wether that defines them as one of the greatest horse. Trigger always won that Inter fair and square regardless of what transpired afterwards. I would love to see Trigger and Quinny go at it again, if Trigger was in his prime. Now that's exciting!


Yep, he's just getting warmed up over that short distance but it's all academic, race is run and won. We'll never know.


If you wanted a match race between the two in their prime, I'd chuck Poppy in to make it really interesting.

[Smoken]

Is that the race where Karloo Mick finish second Brent? If so, I remember that clearly. Quinny went berzerk with Trigger, then Trigger immediately pulled of his back when crossed, from there Quinny had a dream run but managed 3rd. The excitement of those years watching 2 great horses go at it was amazing! Robert, I could throw in Gammalite, Village kid as well, and some of my fav's from the 90's- Iraklis, Franco Tiger, Franco Ice, etc etc. I had a very soft spot for Sinbad Bay. What a horse! So many greats.

[Smoken]

It's great that all of us are so excited about these horses today & passionate, regardless of opinions or favourite horses.

Maybe the other drivers were reading the Courier Mail...
The chastening news for tonight’s rivals is that Hall believes his horse will be improved by the run but he may have no option from the wide draw to go back tonight and bank on its electric final sprint.

Did Hall Snr play mind games with them.. :p

[brent_L]

I would like to say that as much as I give Bart a -1/10 for last nights drive, he is definitely a serious young driver. Never a 2nd thought enters my mind when backing one of his charges.

[Richard prior]

Always good to keep the opposition in 2 minds if you have a good horse.

[Messenger]

The circumstances of his win as Brent described is the only thing I'm going on about, I have not once bagged Quinny in this thread or has anyone else. Anyway you look at it, he was handed that race!

I have been out walking but have to reply to this one Ev as you do not seem to realize how your posts read. You have not bagged Quinny so much as inferred he is not a great horse. 2 eg's from earlier posts of yours

"I suppose it comes down to personal preference in what constitutes a great horse or a great race"

"I don't look at a horses stake money to decide wether that defines them as one of the greatest horse"

but I could be wrong, all you have to do is reply that Quinny is a great horse ;)

[Smoken]

I have no problem in saying Quinny is a great horse at all. I personally prefer horses like the style of Trigger who are warriors more than flashy brilliant type, but that doesn't mean they aren't both greats in there own way. Yesterday was not a great race IMO, regardless that they smashed the record. Yes, it is what it is, but it is what it is because of that very poor drive from Cockburn. He was making it clear as day that he would not give up the breeze to Quinn, yet he easily let him slide to the breeze, only then to overtake him. Hasn't Cockburn seen what Quinny can do from such a close position, let alone the 1/1..? Horrible drive! And SSL must have thought it was a trial.

[Smoken]

We will be seeing Quinny in the FFA this coming weekend.. GHS wants to keep him sharp for the BAF in a fortnight. Let's hope that they don't just hand it to him on a silver platter this time :)

[Messenger]

I have no problem in saying Quinny is a great horse at all. I personally prefer horses like the style of Trigger who are warriors more than flashy brilliant type, but that doesn't mean they aren't both greats in there own way. Yesterday was not a great race IMO, regardless that they smashed the record. Yes, it is what it is, but it is what it is because of that very poor drive from Cockburn. He was making it clear as day that he would not give up the breeze to Quinn, yet he easily let him slide to the breeze, only then to overtake him. Hasn't Cockburn seen what Quinny can do from such a close position, let alone the 1/1..? Horrible drive! And SSL must have thought it was a trial.

Look you guys are right that the drive did not make any sense in that if he wanted the death why did he not keep ITMQ out at the start because as you say he offered no resistance then.
Only Cockburn can tell us what he was thinking. Maybe he thinks as quickly as me (hold on while I pin this big ticket on myself) for I was just thinking that GHJ is taking hold to look for cover and almost instantaneously Avonnova was off. Not that that means he should have provided it unless he was sure SSL was coming but he may have preferred to try doing a SU from the death than be 1x2. I'm not sure any of them expected Lauren to set such a smashing pace.

[Smoken]

Yep Kevin, I'm starting to think that Cockburn thought that Avonnova was Smoken Up, there can be no other explanation. If he had allowed Quinny in the death, he would have allowed Avonnova the best possible chance to win or at least run second, & the punters wouldn't have nothing to be complaining about at all. Let's all wait and see what happens this week in the FFA.
I am keen to see which horses are nominated.. Avonnova needs a week off, he was gassed last night! I had a feeling MB would seriously run them along, but I also thought SSL would do something more than what he did. Dragged back to the tail from the very start.. Pointless!

[Smoken]

What's amazing to me as well is, to read there are more than a few people(twitter) that believe that Cockburn made the right decision making that suicide move, as if he didn't, he would not even run third.. What utter bollocks! To say that, they must have huge confidence in Quinny having that amazing sprint all the way through sitting in the death, or that Avonnova couldn't track Quinny into the straight.. Now I'm shaking my head as well as scratching... Sorry to repeating myself, but I'm shocked how this could truly be believed...

[Danno]

Chaps, I'm getting a little tired of all the riders in the stand bagging Bart Cockburn's drive, he was clearly driving the horse to his strengths....the horse is "one paced" in this grade and if left in the one one would have finished out of a place, in my opinion, his drive was as good as it could be under the circumstances, obviously the perfect drive is lead and set your own pace, but that was never an option with MB in the race and drawn to lead. And before you all go off half cocked, check out Avonnova's record, in particular his best runs, pay some attention to the sectionals and where he was placed in the field in those races. When you are driving horses in races against opposition that is better than you ( eg IMTQ) you do not have the luxury of using tactical speed, you have to drive your horse to it's strengths, which is exactly what Bart did.

BTW also check out the fact that the horse ran a PB, how could he do that if it was a crook drive?

Cheers,
Dan

[cyclone george]

Get over it fellas when the top couple of grand circuit horse are fit ( beutide Quinny ) they will alway beat good FFA horses. Remember the co's go 56 in qld all the time , time doesn't mean a lot sometimes .Quinny could have gone another lap

[Smoken]

Quinny could have gone another lap for sure with the run that he was gifted with! If Cockburn drove Avonnova to his strengths, he might as well had a serious dip for the lead, as either way he was going to be beaten by certain opinions. I don't buy it! Why wouldn't he keep out Quinny out from the very start since he was hell bent on keeping the death? Lebron was keeping the back of Avonnova easily, so Quinny would have either be 3 wide the trip or use a lot more energy to get the death.
How could he have finished out of a place if had that dream run that Quinny had? The 4th horse finished 4lengths or more back from Avonnova.
I still would like to know if you guys believe Quinny would have won if he was in the death? Or would his task been that much greater? What was the point of SSL being in that race last night? Just for show? GHJ didn't outsmart Cockburn, Cockburn just drove a shocking race!

[Danno]

Quinny could have gone another lap for sure with the run that he was gifted with! If Cockburn drove Avonnova to his strengths, he might as well had a serious dip for the lead, as either way he was going to be beaten by certain opinions. I don't buy it! Why wouldn't he keep out Quinny out from the very start since he was hell bent on keeping the death? Lebron was keeping the back of Avonnova easily, so Quinny would have either be 3 wide the trip or use a lot more energy to get the death.
How could he have finished out of a place if had that dream run that Quinny had? The 4th horse finished 4lengths or more back from Avonnova.
I still would like to know if you guys believe Quinny would have won if he was in the death? Or would his task been that much greater? What was the point of SSL being in that race last night? Just for show? GHJ didn't outsmart Cockburn, Cockburn just drove a shocking race!

Evangelos,
with all due respect mate, and this will be my last post on this subject, think about sectional times, think about not spending all your pennies in one quarter and think about the other drivers in the field, for example do you honestly think MB was gunna hand up????? Try and take everthing into account, as I suggested earlier do some home work on Avonnova's past performances, I'm beginning to think you might be talking through your pocket old mate.

[Smoken]

I don't gamble mate, but I know plenty of people who do and were pissed with Cockburn's drive, which they have every reason to! I just love the trots as well as the dogs. No one has really answered my questions.. Would Quinny have won if he was in the breeze, & if so why? He is not known for his strength/stamina!
Why are a few people so sure that Avonnova would have missed a place if he was in the 1/1? Would STI(not the other type :p have run third or any of the other bunch? So you're pretty much saying here, Cockburn was at very best running for 3rd, & only could have gotten that if he raced the way he did, right? There was no way for him to win or run 2nd? How do we know that LP wouldn't have relented to Cockburn if he kept on going? I would repeat myself again like a parrot and ask, why all week would Cockburn be saying he would not give the death from the START, yet he just allows Quinny to cruise on by, only then to vacate the 1/1 & well you know the rest. Cockburn clearly was talking crap, which a lot of punters were believing in what he was saying. People I spoke to yesterday, were saying they thought the exact same thing, as they believed Cockburn's talk. If he had stayed true to his word, Quinny would have been posted 3 wide the trip, he would have been made to work a lot harder to get the death, & at best he would have earned that race as opposed to basically having it gifted to him. I really can't see how my logic is unreasonable here.

[aussiebreno]

Kev,

sorry I couldnt save you earlier.

In the blue corner:

Cockburn 100+ winners this season.
Quinny only 50 odd wins 3 IDs $4.5 mill


In the red corner:

Evangelos 0 winners this season
"Beautide done a baby bling"

[brent_L]

Interesting reading! Not talking out of my pocket, not disrespecting any horses claims to 'champion status', not (trying to) disrespecting anyone else's opinion but it is a no brainer that Avonnova should have kept the death seat which would have provided connections with 2nd place prize money instead of third. Simple as that!

[brent_L]

Breno, I know u know your form........tell me u had Quinny crossing (under a hold) to the death seat before the first corner?

[Smoken]

Nothing wrong with my posts Brendan, simply my opinions. Post the link so people can read them, have a laugh or whatever mate, it doesn't bother me at all. Why don't you try stick to the topic, that's unless anyone's point of view that doesn't gel with your point if view, isn't worth your time, or should be mocked. No need to be arrogant and rude, but hey, if that's what you feel like, go right ahead. And you shouldn't assume that if anyone has an opinion when they comment on a race, & you view it as sour grapes, does it mean they are gamblers.
Can't a person just share his thoughts? :)
For the record, I will say it for the 2nd time, nobody is bagging Quinny or Cockburn over all! Just questioning his very poor decision LAST NIGHT, not his career or over all character as a person!

[Mighty Atom]

How I thought it would pan out is Mach Beauty leading easily with both ITMQ and Suave Stuey Lombo going forward and SSL racing on the outside of MB and Jnr with a sit although I think this may have been a perilous decision because I reckon Panella may have let SSL slide to the front then Tritton would have a double pronged attack SSL in front and MB free access to the sprint lane and I was surprised this didn't eventuate. Avonnova in recent runs has been allowed to settle then taken aroung the field to go to the front or sit outside I think Cockburn thought he could outstay his main oppositition and being somewhat buoyed by his close second to Beautide in the Len Smith Mile he decided to go for it especially after declaring he was ready for this. Avonnova dictated the pace all the way in the Len Smith and was run over by Beautide in 1:53:1 2.6 slower than ITMQ and on a good and bigger track. Gary Hall Snr was right - good strong performer but maybe lacking the sprint ability of the champ.

[Big K]

For what ita worth I thought it was a great race.Hall took no prisoners by going forward at the start to land who knows where.Cockburn took no prisoners by taking off after settling out of the gate.Panella took no prisoners with her hard front running drive.Hall and Quinny got the best out of it..whats the problem?? Perhaps if he didn't win then all the drives would have been great bah Juniors where he would have been shark bait on here not Cockburn!!!

[Big K]

its

[Richard prior]

Is that the race where Karloo Mick finish second Brent? If so, I remember that clearly. Quinny went berzerk with Trigger, then Trigger immediately pulled of his back when crossed, from there Quinny had a dream run but managed 3rd. The excitement of those years watching 2 great horses go at it was amazing! Robert, I could throw in Gammalite, Village kid as well, and some of my fav's from the 90's- Iraklis, Franco Tiger, Franco Ice, etc etc. I had a very soft spot for Sinbad Bay. What a horse! So many greats. Hey Smoken, Fantastic to see the great names from the past, How about we throw Mount Eden in the mix without giving the opposition 60 or 70 metres head start due to his poor manners, That would be some type of race and I'm sure that there would be a massive crowd on hand, We can only dream!!

[Richard prior]

What do you think that Lauren would do differently? She's got the horse and the draw (anywhere on the front) and she 'aint driving any differently. Hi Rob, I thought it was a good drive by Lauren and yes, She couldn't have driven the horse and better, He has blinding gate speed and will win more than his share of races driven this way. I probably should have said Bart should learn something from the experience but it will be tough going not only against Quinny.

[Smoken]

Yes Richard, Mt Eden, and so many others from the past. It would be magical, but as you said, we can only dream! So many others that we can mention as well.

[Maorisidol]

Suave Stuey drawn 6 on Sat night over 2138 Mob
Quinn drawn outside him in 7 with Pete McMullen driving.
SSL leads, Quinn in the death if he goes forward again????????????
or does Quinn go back with SSL potentially running track record time?

[Smoken]

SSL leads, ITMQ I think will go forward and take cover, to which horse no idea. If Quinny is in death and wins, then he really has toughened up, and I mean big time! So many great races at Albion Park this Sat. Do you think Quinny might try and lead? Very interesting if he does try that..

[Messenger]

Why would you give a precious champion rising 10, a hard run in the death when the winner will be lucky to collect $10k?

[Smoken]

That could have happened last week Kev, if it wasn't for Cockburn handing Quinny the race. I guess people can say it was worth $60k, sure, still doesn't change he COULD have had a brutal run in the death. Maybe they are confident Quinny is way to good? Should/could Trigger have been given an easier run as a rising 12yr old? That's the difference between the 2 for me. Ones a precious brilliant Champ, and the other one a BRUTAL fighting Champion. I just like the latter's style way more, doesn't mean they both aren't Champs. I'm sure everyone has there fav's for various reasons.

[brent_L]

I thought he'd have to go back last week so what do I know. Surely he goes back this Satdy then launches at the 7-800. They will run sub 55 the last 2 qrts leader to winner so it's gonna be touch and go as to whether he puts his head out in front. We won't get to see the most exciting part of the race though as Sky will be panning thru the field down the back straight. Disgraceful!!

[Richard prior]

Totally agree Brent and I think he's only running to get a bit of fitness. It's a pretty good card up there on Saturday night and will be a huge thrill for P.McMullen driving Quinny. Hopefully Sky is on the ball keeping their eye on SSL and also a very close eye on Quinny if he's coming from the back. It's definitley a race that I wouldn't be taking the short odds on offer and hopefully I'm wrong.

[Smoken]

I guess we shall see what transpires this coming Sat. I'm cheering SSL :) :p

[Richard prior]

I guess we shall see what transpires this coming Sat. I'm cheering SSL :) :p

No great suprise there !!

[aussiebreno]

I guess we shall see what transpires this coming Sat. I'm cheering SSL :) :p
Ironically the horse who I have no doubt altered Cockburns thinking last week.
SSL COTFF sits in death at Menangle. Next start no COT but is restrained. Had Cockburn known this maybe he keeps death.

Tipping they go forward with SSL this week and he gets an easy lead. As Brent says 55 last half and it's touch and go alright, I reckon SSL wins the trial this week.

[jackthepunter]

The cot rule is the biggest load of crap ever. let drivers, drive and use their own initiative to sum up the situation As it plays out. If stewards can't read a race, they
shouldn't Have a job

[aussiebreno]

The cot rule is the biggest load of crap ever. let drivers, drive and use their own initiative to sum up the situation As it plays out. If stewards can't read a race, they
shouldn't Have a job

Not wanting an argument about the merits of the rule, but whilst the rule is there I would expect it to be used and policed.

[jackthepunter]

But it never is that's why it's a waste of time. Who wants boring racing where people all ready know what will happen. Its pretty Simple if stewards have a problem ask the question.

[aussiebreno]

But it never is that's why it's a waste of time. Who wants boring racing where people all ready know what will happen. Its pretty Simple if stewards have a problem ask the question.

If stewards cant get one as blatant as SSL they will never get one!

[jackthepunter]

I agree, it like many others rules that are black and white but they only use them when it suits. What's why I say why have these rules.

[aussiebreno]

Ironically the horse who I have no doubt altered Cockburns thinking last week.
SSL COTFF sits in death at Menangle. Next start no COT but is restrained. Had Cockburn known this maybe he keeps death.

Tipping they go forward with SSL this week and he gets an easy lead. As Brent says 55 last half and it's touch and go alright, I reckon SSL wins the trial this week.No cot and he goes forward and wins as expected!

[Toohard]

Palais Du Louvre Race 1 Number 1 Melton 5.27pm. Smoken Up 8.22pm Menangle.

Anyone know anyone who got a helicopter?

[aussiebreno]

Palais Du Louvre Race 1 Number 1 Melton 5.27pm. Smoken Up 8.22pm Menangle.

Anyone know anyone who got a helicopter?
Maybe hitch a ride with some Victorian drivers. Some seem to get down the highways in quick time from meeting to meeting!

[aussiebreno]

Wow wow wow wow wow.

[Grinder]

They went the last mile in 1.53.7. So how quick was Quinny? Sub 1.53 I reckon. Un-be-liveable!

[jackthepunter]

quinny freak, just a sit sprinter, yeah right

[Maorisidol]

You better sit down Aussiebrenno and Mighty Atom and other Quinn fans,
cos tonite, that was bloody good!
However i do feel quite a bit vindicated by none other than G Hall Jnr and G Hall. in an interview after the race on Sky, they both said that Quinn had toughened up and "if in a fight, you wouldn't normally wanna be on him" or words to that effect, however now he has seemed to have gained that toughness while, according to Jnr actually lost a little and i say a little of that crazy explosive sprint when first pulled out and asked to go.
Great win!

[aussiebreno]

You better sit down Aussiebrenno and Mighty Atom and other Quinn fans,
cos tonite, that was bloody good!
However i do feel quite a bit vindicated by none other than G Hall Jnr and G Hall. in an interview after the race on Sky, they both said that Quinn had toughened up and "if in a fight, you wouldn't normally wanna be on him" or words to that effect, however now he has seemed to have gained that toughness while, according to Jnr actually lost a little and i say a little of that crazy explosive sprint when first pulled out and asked to go.
Great win!
Cheers Ash. I reckon because getting older losing bit of zip they training him different to toughen him up more eg the race at Pinjarra was a calculated move to drive him tougher.

[Danno]

What about the run from Condagen?? That horse is just going from strength to strength, I know he had a cheap run 4 the fence, but geez he got home super!!! and he is MUCH more loosely assessed than the horses around him in tonights race, I'll bet Denis Picker and connections are absolutely stoked with his performance, I've always liked the the horse despite his sire, who throws a few of ill gaited horses, but by gee I thought his run tonight was sensational.

[Mighty Atom]

It may appear he has lost a little of his sprint but when Mach Beauty is running 55:7 last half and a sectional in 26:8 and ITMQ has taken off from a little worse than midfield it's going to take a little of the sprint edge off him and that probably was the Panella/Tritton plan. Did you notice Devil Dodger tag onto Quinny's cart to get a cart up he just got left behind. As has been said before it's hard to compare different horses from different eras but not in this case I'm Themightyquinn is the greatest pacer of all time. Chris Barsby summed Quinny up perfectly "A Champion, A Legend"-exactly.

[Mighty Atom]

As much as we heap praise and admiration on I'm Themightyquinn the same should equally apply to the trainer,reinsman and the team back in Perth. For G.Hall Snr to have Quinny primed to perfection for the major races he has contested over a period of seasons is outstanding.So when you have a combination of a master trainer, master reinsman ( G.Hall.Jr ) and a champion horse then it's going to be very difficult to topple.

[Toohard]

As much as we heap praise and admiration on I'm Themightyquinn the same should equally apply to the trainer,reinsman and the team back in Perth. For G.Hall Snr to have Quinny primed to perfection for the major races he has contested over a period of seasons is outstanding.So when you have a combination of a master trainer, master reinsman ( G.Hall.Jr ) and a champion horse then it's going to be very difficult to topple.

Only times he beaten this prep when G Hall jnr not driving him I think. Saw him win inter 2 years back. Huge that day but last night maybe his best. Had no right to win from where he was off back the last time. Nothing better than watching that. Brave horses running.

[Richard prior]

Only times he beaten this prep when G Hall jnr not driving him I think. Saw him win inter 2 years back. Huge that day but last night maybe his best. Had no right to win from where he was off back the last time. Nothing better than watching that. Brave horses running.
I'm with you Paul, I thought he was struggling a little due to Mach Beauty running along at a fast clip but Quinny was just awesome finishing over the top. No doubt that the Hall's are a great team, Trainer, Driver and Superstar Pacer.

[littlelenny]

I totally agree with you guys he had no right to win from where he was, but as true champions do they just defy all odds and do the impossible. As Rod said the Halls deserve just as much praise as Quinny together they are the complete team. I commend hall snr and connections for bringing Quinny over for the Qld winter carnival, I think his fan base on the east coast just increased in huge numbers. I hope they plan to bring him back for the Miracle Mile and Victoria Cup.

[Messenger]

Well said Lenny - the Halls would rightfully be VERY popular in Qld.

[Maorisidol]

He's baaaack! Or at least trying to be,
again...
According to Chris Barsby The Quinn is back in work this week for the Hall camp.
Rip down that Beautide poster off your bedroom wall Brenno and get the Quinny poster back up!
If he gets to the ID on his hometrack which of course will be the motivation for him being back in the gig it will be a sight to see and actually quite an historic chapter.

[aussiebreno]

Wow. Honestly reckon he done enough but would be something to come back at his age and win it.


Ps go blues

[Messenger]

A much better chance than the Blues for a final anytime soon, I'm afraid Brenno