Pizemoney drop????

[trish]

Read the new racing & funding structure .
Take Penrith for the rest of August 10 races programed per week for $5500 & two for $3000.
Than look at September two races per week for $6000 & the rest for $4000.
If we get full noms for both , prize money paid on the old structure is $44,000 per meeting and $36,000 under the new structure . It is a bit hard to follow as there is possibly more prize money depending on what division they decide everyone belongs in . The way I read it , you get a country penalty for $4000 where , in the past , you could have earned $8000 with a restricted win . What do you think

[Lethal]

Gosford had $3000.00 races in 1987.!!!

[trish]

Yea I know Mike won one with my horse, we won a motza.....on the punt!

[trish]

And Menangle Tuesdays we were racing for $7000 a race, and now this. I can not understand how this is going to help or where the extra $ 2M is going.


Meeting Program

Race programme

NSWHRC at TABCORP PK MENANGLE Tuesday 02 September 2014 (Day meeting)

Nominations close:9:30 AM Thursday 28 August 2014Acceptances:1:30 PM Thursday 28 August 2014Race fields available:4:00 PM Thursday 28 August 2014Search Programmes (http://www.harness.org.au/programme-search.cfm?state=nsw) Race codeStartRace nameTotal StakesClassMetres
DrawOther conditionsPCC02091401MSLADYSHIP PACE$6,000 3YO+,
C0 Only. ,
Mares,
1609
PBD/LTW Also eligible F&M with no more than 2 LTW. PCC02091402MSTHREE YEAR OLD PACE$6,000 3YO,
1609
PBD/$L4 with no more than 1 LTW last season 13/14. PCC02091403MSC0 PACE$6,000 4YO+,
C0 Only. ,
1609
RBD which have not won at a LTM. Also eligible C0 which have not won in last 4 starts PCC02091404MSC0 PACE$7,000 3YO+,
C0 Only. ,
1609
RBD Also eligible C1 which have not won $1500 in their last 4 starts.
NO CONCESSION CLAIMS PCC02091405MSC1 OR BETTER PACE$4,000 C1 Or Better. ,
1609
DIVIDED CONDITIONS The HRNSW Handicapping Panel will frame race conditions and select race fields from the nominations received. Please note: Division 1 prizemoney will be $10000, Division 2 will be $8000, Division 3 will be $6000 and Division 4 will be $4000. PCC02091406SSTROTTERS STANDING START HANDICAP$6,000 T0 To T1. ,
1609
RBD 10mtrs handicap for each class PCC02091407SSTROTTERS STANDING START HANDICAP$7,000 T2 Or Better. ,
2300
RBD 10mtrs handicap for each class PCC02091408MSPACE$4,000 C0 To C2. ,
1609
PBD/C Trainer must of had no more than 10 winners last season 13/14. Horses must have had last 3 starts with nominated Trainer.
NO CONCESSION CLAIMS

[djgood]

I see the T0 T1 class has dropped to $6000 I shouldn't complain it's still better than a C0/C1 will get the T2 or betters can race for $7000 on the Tuesday and $12000 on Saturdays with a one off $20000 metro once a month , my t2 will be chasing the Saturday night money she will get $240 for just going around she will also pick up $480 for 5th ( wich she is more than capable of)

[trish]

This might be an attempt to allow people to race their horses longer BUT racing for less prizemoney makes these horses even less viable IMO, It still costs the same to train em. I think they will all end up in QLD a bit quicker.

[Lethal]

And Richmond $3000.00 in 1991. How do you justify racing in 2014 for this prizemoney. You can't, you're racing for the glory but that doesn't feed the horses let alone the owners and trainers.

[trish]

Yea , lucky we gave up training.

[trish]

AND next step is to send our horses to NZ, and get someone there to sell em back, we could make a fortune!!!!!

[Lethal]

Trish, that was the exact reason, training fees were unable to be justified given the prizemoney on offer. Previously you could train horses and get a return for the owners and ourselves (trainers) but I don't know how you can do this today unless you are domiciled at or near Menangle. Just what the NSWHRC always aimed for, well they've got it, stuff everyone else. What did Marie Antoinette say ? 'let them eat cake'

[trish]

Do you think that the NSWHRC want to buy our horses . We'll just tell them their New Zealanders . Can't be any worse than camels

[Race For Fun]

Prizemoney is very good at Menangle but they have trouble attracting full fields on Saturday nights, yes less horses in winter but hard to justify $20,000 races for 7 or 8 horses when country clubs are racing for $3,000 & $5,000. It costs exactly the same amount to feed country grade horses as city. The differance is too great. Yes good horses should get good money but the price of feed, fuel, and the fact that you can't get days off work every week makes it hard for country trainers to go to Menangle as often as they may want. Not sure racing at Menangle just because they pay good unplaced money grows the industry but i understand what Dave means.

[djgood]

I live nearly 3 hours from menangle so the cost to go there for me is $100 ( includes tolls) so on Tuesdays I make $40 minimum on Saturday nights $140 minimum I won't win on Saturdays but that covers the feed bill , I am training a C3 pacer for a couple blokes and the unplaced prize money at menangle will cover their $100 a week bill ,

[Mister JayKO]

The building of Melton & Menangle have multiple angles to it. In NSW, it gave the sport the chance to upgrade all of its infrastructure and upgrade prize money as a one off. Melton was built a legacy by the outgoing Chairman. Both were built with longer term aims in mind and the commencement of works on the training centre at Menangle should already give you the heads up. Massive training centres will be built at both locations and eventually, the vast majority of horses in the state will be trained at these locations. NSW seems to be mirroring the V3 approach taken by HRV centralise regional locations into state of the art venues ie. Bathurst (Central West), Tamworth (North), Newcastle (Hunter) and Wagga (Riverina). Anything outside that will need to survive on whatever fumes are left over. Bookmark it that mini training centres will pop up in these locations in the future.


In Victoria it's a little bit more perplexing and politics has interfered with the plan. V3 was also about rationalisation to state of the art centres, but pressure applied to the Libs/Nats by the disaffected has meant a turnaround of sorts and we have seen tracks reopened and upgraded that were previously marked for deletion. If ever there was a mixed message this is it. Most funding application these days are based around maximum utilisation of the facilities, thus at Menangle you have Bulli merged in there and ever so slowly, despite the efforts of those in charge, Bankstown cannot expect to be maintained. Melton hosts a meeting for every club in the state throughout the year and over time you would expect that to increase. Warrnambool Racing @ Melton hardly features any trainers within the normal catchment area, particularly when it is a restricted meeting.


So within each state we have different agendas and not a common approach and plan that everyone can follow, worse still like the Billy Connolly business plan - the plans keep changing.


The decline in owners willing to pay up and the decline in available horses should be concerning everyone at every level, but it appears to fall on deaf ears.


There is definitely a two to three speed economy in the game right now in both states. I am seeing more and more semi-pro trainers drop back into the hobbyist category, in simple terms they don't have the horses or the economies of scale to compete. Well and good to use Mark Purdon as an example of what they should all be doing but unless you have big financial backing (owners) it is a luxury that none can afford. In scanning the Trainers/Drivers directory you come across many names that have scaled back and even more that are missing entirely, understanding that there will be ins and outs but probably not to the level that is being seen.


It's always interesting to watch the trots in New Zealand and I can remember being at two ID Grand Finals (Baltic Eagle & Elsu) and marvelling at the variety of carts and Horse Floats in the Car Park. I understand that you can still use wooden cats in the shaky isles and I am reliably informed that particularly on grass they "give" a much better ride than the stainless steel versions or the latest US style carts, but the technologist in me suspects that other on grass tracks, the new carts provide a definite advantage over the old stainless and wooden versions.

[Messenger]

"In scanning the Trainers/Drivers directory you come across many names that have scaled back and even more that are missing entirely, understanding that there will be ins and outs but probably not to the level that is being seen."

Perusing that link to the Directory you provided the other day Stu, I estimated there to be about 1200 Licensed people in Vic, if many have gone missing, how many were there once?

[jackthepunter]

"In scanning the Trainers/Drivers directory you come across many names that have scaled back and even more that are missing entirely, understanding that there will be ins and outs but probably not to the level that is being seen."

Perusing that link to the Directory you provided the other day Stu, I estimated there to be about 1200 Licensed people in Vic, if many have gone missing, how many were there once?
Here you go kev state by state down down.
http://www.harness.org.au/hra/annual/public/stats/regn_state.pdf

[jackthepunter]

Victoria and harness racing industry going nowwhere.
http://www.harness.org.au/hra/annual/public/stats/stakes_state_vic.pdf

http://www.harness.org.au/hra/annual/public/stats/services-comp.pdf

http://www.harness.org.au/hra/annual/public/stats/gestation-foals-born.pdf

http://www.harness.org.au/hra/annual/public/stats/prange_all.pdf

[trish]

http://colessupermarkets.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/coles-down-down-with-status-quo.jpg?w=584


Down Down everythings Down.

[Lethal]

It's not only down. It's DOWN & OUT. and not just U2 it's me too.

[Danno]

It's not only down. It's DOWN & OUT. and not just U2 it's me too.

Poor old Lee, mate Status Quo!!

[Richard prior]

Not even close Lee!!

[Lethal]

Irony anyone?

[trish]

It's not only down. It's DOWN & OUT. and not just U2 it's me too.


I get it Lee, very funny. hahaha

[Richard prior]

I get it Lee, very funny. hahaha

Straight over the top with me, I was originally blonde, Now I'm grey so I haven't got much hope lol.

[trish]

Straight over the top with me, I was originally blonde, Now I'm grey so I haven't got much hope lol.

and not just U2 (is Mark & Me).

[Messenger]

Here you go kev state by state down down.
http://www.harness.org.au/hra/annual/public/stats/regn_state.pdf

Thanks for finding this and the others for me Jack - very much appreciated. I needed these figures the other day so now I have saved them

[Richard prior]

and not just U2 (is Mark & Me).
Also a distinct lack of oxygen when your 6'6'' on the old scale Trish.