Major Owner leaving NSW citing Integrity

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Emilio-rosati-piece

WOW this may cause a shake up

[trish]

Don't blame him.......This is big.
Wonder why no one else has picked this up. Maybe they don't know yet.


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[kung fu man]

So does he think it will be better in Victoria? sorry but i would have thought not.Its fairly easy to notice the absence of some trainers in NSW already

[Plunge Punter]

Ironic that Emilio would send his horses to Victoria. NSW Stewards have cracked down on trainers, disqualifying many after positive swabs. I can't remember the last time there was appositive swab in Victoria or a trainer was disqualified. To me NSW is the state in Australia that is taking integrity the most seriously in Australia.

[trish]

Ironic that Emilio would send his horses to Victoria. NSW Stewards have cracked down on trainers, disqualifying many after positive swabs. I can't remember the last time there was appositive swab in Victoria or a trainer was disqualified. To me NSW is the state in Australia that is taking integrity the most seriously in Australia.


Well if that is the case why the hell is he moving them????
Don't understand............oh yes I do,

[Messenger]

Let's call a spade a spade - he obviously does not think they are catching the cheats

[Smoken]

I guess he only really knows why he is doing what he's doing. Maybe he will say so in the future. Good for Vic!

[trish]

Let's call a spade a spade - he obviously does not think they are catching the cheats


Gee Kev, I thought they just great trainers.......DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRR

Who's going to the presentation night.....................................NOT ME

[p plater]

Interesting article.......Word has been around for a while of the falling out with Sydney trainer.

Here's a prediction, he buys C. Lang's place and has private trainer.

[trish]

Interesting article.......Word has been around for a while of the falling out with Sydney trainer.

Here's a prediction, he buys C. Lang's place and has private trainer.

Does he want to buy ours?
There is NO cheats in Newcastle , just great trainers.

We will even throw in a couple of good broodmares & a jog gig to sweeten the deal.

[mightymo]

Interesting article.......Word has been around for a while of the falling out with Sydney trainer.

Here's a prediction, he buys C. Lang's place and has private trainer.

I spoke to Emilio at length over the weekend. He has had no falling out with any trainer in NSW. Rather he has a very strong belief that there a number of trainers in NSW who are drug cheats and he doesnt want his horses competing against them as he believes he will lose most times he races them.

He has some interesting ideas on how to combat these cheats!

I certainly admire the strength of his conviction, although I'm not convinced the situation is necessarily better in Vic or QLD

[Messenger]

Interesting article.......Word has been around for a while of the falling out with Sydney trainer.

Here's a prediction, he buys C. Lang's place and has private trainer.
Thought that myself Bailey :D

[Messenger]

I guess he only really knows why he is doing what he's doing. Maybe he will say so in the future. Good for Vic!
I reckon he has made it pretty clear Ev

[kung fu man]

Now now Trish! lol

[Smoken]

Well then I guess he must have much faith in VIC or QLD for some reason, even though NSW is more on the ball..

[jackthepunter]

I spoke to Emilio at length over the weekend. He has had no falling out with any trainer in NSW. Rather he has a very strong belief that there a number of trainers in NSW who are drug cheats and he doesnt want his horses competing against them as he believes he will lose most times he races them.

He has some interesting ideas on how to combat these cheats!

I certainly admire the strength of his conviction, although I'm not convinced the situation is necessarily better in Vic or QLD

If he thinks vic racing is any better his delusion, its just as bad imo if not worse. How is it no ones getting caught down here in vic yet they are in nsw. To me its simple either vic stewards are hopeless at their job, the testing facilities are not good enough, or their doing the good old gallops style treatment of proteching the so called image of the sport and tiping the top trainers off and going after the hobby trainers no ones heard of, so they can be seen doing something then have a power puff peace in the paper letting everyone know how good their are at there job.

[cityboy]

i dont blame him, nsw has become ridiculous if thats how he feels then so be it, he is not the only person . nsw has become too proactive and made too many changes they should leave harness racing as it is. if he is in his right mind he should send his horses to winning trainers and move along with them. people dont buy horses to put money in breeders pockets or give horses to losing trainers to feed them, there must be some sort of turnover on investment otherwise its just throwing money away for no enjoyment. stick with the winners i reckon. its not just the harness racing issues its also outside nuisances that make it un - enjoyable . people just need change if they dont feel comfortable. harness racing in other states has been kept more taditional i for one dont like these big tracks. money is hard to come by these days throwing it away for no enjoyment isnt fun and is theoretically better spent elsewhere, he has done a massive job to last this long. i wish him well with whatever direction he heads. at least he still is providing some product for the races to be run.

[Messenger]

Dougie, he is changing states because he has concerns about Integrity in NSW - he is not unhappy with the administration and has said he would prefer to stay in NSW but it is a move based on his prinicples, he has not said anything else.

[cityboy]

Dougie, he is changing states because he has concerns about Integrity in NSW - he is not unhappy with the administration and has said he would prefer to stay in NSW but it is a move based on his prinicples, he has not said anything else.


yes i understand `he is claiming integrity issues` we have integrity claims all over society ie- politics, police etc. at some stage or another sometimes we feel cheated or hard done by. im looking at it if i was in his shoes , i would be seeking change as well if i have tried most avenues to fix things, he being a major contributor to harness racing i doubt if his claims would have been ignored or in anyway disrespected, though i would possibly suggest there would not be enough substance to his claim or just the little things have become too annoying to keep things the same. i would suggest its his feelings or he has become fed up as things currently are and is seeking a change. if things arnt any better elsewhere then he can always come back. its his money his horses if he dont like it then he can please himself. they can only do so much for him. i can understand how he`s feeling though his horses his decisions if he is the one crying fowl then he should back it up or stop being a sore loser. there is a thing called bring harness racing into disrepute `integrity issues` somewhat falls under this category. the image of harness racing should be protected not slandered. if people dont like it they can find another interest and if participants dont like it then they should find something else to do, as long there is no abuse either way from administration.

[trish]

"He has some interesting ideas on how to combat these cheats".


Can you elaborate Harvey?

[cityboy]

whatever he reckons whatever he does its his own business if he can sort things out good luck to him winners are grinners and losers can please themselves. thats what`s racings all about. they shouldn't have to kiss his ass too much i think they do it enough and rightfully so, but obviously not enough for him to keep his horses in nsw.

[Mitch]

Emilio is entitled to do what he likes, his horses...his decision. Good luck to him.

However, if he thinks Victoria or QLD have better integrity he is simply delusional.

NSW harness racing is, in my opinion, without peer when it comes to integrity. 2 years ago different story but the work Sam Nati & Reid Sanders have done to improve integrity is significant. People shouldn't be fooled into thinking because NSW has more positive swabs that there are more cheats or integrity is compromised (in fact the opposite applies IMO).

There will always be a small minority of trainers who try to stay ahead of the rest with use of prohibited substances and some will get away with it longer than others but I guarantee you Reid will catch them before anyone else does.

[Mitch]

i dont blame him, nsw has become ridiculous if thats how he feels then so be it, he is not the only person . nsw has become too proactive and made too many changes they should leave harness racing as it is. if he is in his right mind he should send his horses to winning trainers and move along with them. people dont buy horses to put money in breeders pockets or give horses to losing trainers to feed them, there must be some sort of turnover on investment otherwise its just throwing money away for no enjoyment. stick with the winners i reckon. its not just the harness racing issues its also outside nuisances that make it un - enjoyable . people just need change if they dont feel comfortable. harness racing in other states has been kept more taditional i for one dont like these big tracks. money is hard to come by these days throwing it away for no enjoyment isnt fun and is theoretically better spent elsewhere, he has done a massive job to last this long. i wish him well with whatever direction he heads. at least he still is providing some product for the races to be run.

Dougie,

Help me understand this comment. How can you be too proactive? The reason harness racing across the country is in the position that it's in is because not enough change was made.

Look at any progressive sporting organisation anywhere in the world, the one thing all of them have in common is they consistently change & evolve. They all live on the 'bleeding edge' when it comes to change and that's why they are successful.

[jackthepunter]

Dougie,

Help me understand this comment. How can you be too proactive? The reason harness racing across the country is in the position that it's in is because not enough change was made.

Look at any progressive sporting organisation anywhere in the world, the one thing all of them have in common is they consistently change & evolve. They all live on the 'bleeding edge' when it comes to change and that's why they are successful. A pine tree can reach full growth and their will still be no change in harness racing, just people doing the same thing day on day out and expecting a different,result=madness.

[cityboy]

thats the issue nsw has taken too many steps to make themselves look good its made life too stressful on participants and driven people away. look at wa & vic their participants are doing a lot better, if it wasnt for the sale of harold park they would still be scratching their asses without a clue, they just had put up a front to make themselves look better, doesnt mean they are doing better than other states, its just a front HEY LOOK AT US LOOK WHAT WE ARE DOING WE ARE MAKING RADICAL CHANGES THE WHOLE INDUSTRY IS GOING TO BENEFIT - WELL NONE OF IT HAS DONE MUCH GOOD IF ANYTHING MAYBE ITS PUT MORE STRESS ON THE INDUSTRY -maybe they should of quietly put in some updated protocols to keep thing up to date. thing with the sydney metro area is its still going through change with new tracks and trainers adjusting to the conditions, i forecast things wont settle until all those changes have come into place the participants will have a direction, as now people dont know if they coming or going. these tracks that are bigger than 1000 meters has taken the tradition away from what its meant to be. there should be more uniform to track sizes in australia for example 800m - 1200 m
Dougie,

Help me understand this comment. How can you be too proactive? The reason harness racing across the country is in the position that it's in is because not enough change was made.

Look at any progressive sporting organisation anywhere in the world, the one thing all of them have in common is they consistently change & evolve. They all live on the 'bleeding edge' when it comes to change and that's why they are successful.

[cityboy]

its come to a stage there a certain feeds you cant give your horses - if you cant have your horses at their best then whats the point of giving supplements? there should be a prohibited list of substances that all trainers comply and not this silly rule of `performance enhancing` for example a product call `natural equine epo` they sell it as a performance enhancer. these log books etc is all rubbish test in and out of competition for prohibited substances and its a lot more straight forward and less complicated when it comes to prosecution. as for all the nsw positives its just been ignorance to the rules and blatant negligence to themselves from the trainers. if you rob a bank or sell drugs you dont say yeah im the man and transform horses in a matter of days and do things that other trainers could partially do, at least keep a low profile. AS FOR THE OTHERS THEY POINT THE FINGER AT THE BAD GUYS BUT WHAT IF THE BAD GUYS POINT THE FINGERS BACK? if they want success they should chase it and not try put others out of business , they remind me of 10 year olds on football fields complaining about the other kids are cheating or are a year older than them. rules are rules the finish line is there do your best winners are grinners and losers can please themselves.

[Messenger]

Does he want to buy ours?
There is NO cheats in Newcastle , just great trainers.

We will even throw in a couple of good broodmares & a jog gig to sweeten the deal.

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Charges-laid-against-Glen-Hayward

I hope Glen Hayward is not a Newcastle local Trish :eek:

[Plunge Punter]

Its a free country and Emilio can have his horses trained by whoever he wants, wherever he wants. On the question of integrity though, NSW have proactively made an effort to stamp out drug cheats, especially those using Cobalt Chloride. Harness Racing Victoria doesn't take the issue of Cobalt Chloride seriously as it is yet to outlaw it's use in the state; still no maximum threshold for Cobalt Chloride in the Victorian Local Rules, in fact the words "Cobalt Chloride" are not to be found anywhere in the Victorian Local Rules!

[HISGEN65]

I think this is awake up call for the sport - I am guessing more & more owners,who give a stuff about the welfare of their horses,will get sick n tired of watching their horses busting their guts week in week out against those who are seemingly not playing on a level playing field.Not to mention the financial cost,time,effort,disappointment & lost faith.

[Race For Fun]

For what its worth I think the fact that NSW has exposed a large number of positive swabs is proof that they are working hard. Sure it's an on going job but credit where it's due. I would rather race where they admit that there are people who are trying to race outside the laws and stewards are trying to catch them than somewhere that is not as proactive. I agree that winners are grinners but honest winners are what is needed not what ever it takes.

[trish]

NSW have done a fantastic job & we have always given them credit, Sam, Reid & Co have been the force behind this clean up of dirty wrong doing in harness racing in NSW , but they may as well put on their togs , jump into Sydney harbour , grab hold of the Sow & Pigs and try and hold back the tide .
I just hope they continue to get every dishonest person & throw the book at them , no discounts, ban them from racing at all tracks for at least 2 years, then when they come back, sign an agreement that if they are caught with another positive they hand their licence in for life , we don't need them.

We also need the media to STOP praising the dishonest dirt these people are when they come back. I relate them to robbers & I would think the media , no matter who they are would hate to be robbed of money, well that's what these grubs are doing. How they can even fathom they are great trainers is mind blowing, they have had positive swabs, some to nasty stuff , some many , many times over , what part of that is not understood. I would love to see some of these so called great trainers come & race in NSW on a permanent basis.

[trish]

Your not doing anything wrong by naming a product Dave. It has been named in another thread.

[Danno]

NSW have done a fantastic job & we have always given them credit, Sam, Reid & Co have been the force behind this clean up of dirty wrong doing in harness racing in NSW , but they may as well put on their togs , jump into Sydney harbour , grab hold of the Sow & Pigs and try and hold back the tide .
I just hope they continue to get every dishonest person & throw the book at them , no discounts, ban them from racing at all tracks for at least 2 years, then when they come back, sign an agreement that if they are caught with another positive they hand their licence in for life , we don't need them.

We also need the media to STOP praising the dishonest dirt these people are when they come back. I relate them to robbers & I would think the media , no matter who they are would hate to be robbed of money, well that's what these grubs are doing. How they can even fathom they are great trainers is mind blowing, they have had positive swabs, some to nasty stuff , some many , many times over , what part of that is not understood. I would love to see some of these so called great trainers come & race in NSW on a permanent basis.

Could not agree more with every single thing you said there Trish, it is theft IMO, some would say a "husbandry mistake" in some circumstances, I would reply to that "pushing the boundaries and got busted" the people you refer to will more often than not play the innocent victim, sure you can make a mistake, everyone can, but how many times do you get to use that line???

Give them a couple of years to appreciate what they have done and what they have lost, then next time "see you later, the industry doesn't need you as much as the industry needs to be rid of you"

Cheers,
Dan

[Messenger]

Could not agree more with every single thing you said there Trish, it is theft IMO, some would say a "husbandry mistake" in some circumstances, I would reply to that "pushing the boundaries and got busted" the people you refer to will more often than not play the innocent victim, sure you can make a mistake, everyone can, but how many times do you get to use that line???

Give them a couple of years to appreciate what they have done and what they have lost, then next time "see you later, the industry doesn't need you as much as the industry needs to be rid of you"

Cheers,
Dan

http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/uploads/files/integrity%20notices/cobalt%20results%20publication%2027082014.pdf

With this update of readings I wondered if M.Painting (13/6) is related to the already suspended Jackson Painting because it would seem he is risking pushing the boundaries

[jackthepunter]

Just watched the replay of "in the gig" notice they didn't mention it.

[jackthepunter]

http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/uploads/files/integrity%20notices/cobalt%20results%20publication%2027082014.pdf

With this update of readings I wondered if M.Painting (13/6) is related to the already suspended Jackson Painting because it would seem he is risking pushing the boundaries
Not sure kev, but many people past and present train in other peoples names when suspend.

[aussiebreno]

http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/uploads/files/integrity%20notices/cobalt%20results%20publication%2027082014.pdf

With this update of readings I wondered if M.Painting (13/6) is related to the already suspended Jackson Painting because it would seem he is risking pushing the boundaries
Yes related. Good Girl Shirl was previously trained by Blake Jones who is currently suspended. The Blake Jones trained Vavadous got reading of exactly 120 as well on 26/4.

[djgood]

Interesting one on the list is Colin McDowell all have very high readings including one of 200

[Triple V]

10 offending results/inquiries from approx 680 tests...1.47%
Pleased they've been found and will be called to account BUT It could hardly be considered as the widespread offending that it was widely rumoured/officially being made out to be.
Never waste the opportunity that a good crisis represents...even if that crisis is largely not one at all.
I'm still waiting for Terry Bailey to spring his first ITPP positive...you know, that drug that he so confidently stated produces Arsenic as a metabolite. BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. On ya Terry. Keep messing with the Bunsen burner taps trooper.

[kung fu man]

Your right Jamie its not widespread offending because the level is set at 200 which if you have a look at the way some of the horses perform with say 20 or above in thier system shows it makes a hell of a difference in the WAY! they perform.IMO the level is way too high and IMO what has been achieved so far by setting the level so high is give a lot of trainers the green light to shoot up thier animals with a dangerous chemical from what ive read on the net longterm use may cause severe health problems

[jackthepunter]

10 offending results/inquiries from approx 680 tests...1.47%
Pleased they've been found and will be called to account BUT It could hardly be considered as the widespread offending that it was widely rumoured/officially being made out to be.
Never waste the opportunity that a good crisis represents...even if that crisis is largely not one at all.
I'm still waiting for Terry Bailey to spring his first ITPP positive...you know, that drug that he so confidently stated produces Arsenic as a metabolite. BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. On ya Terry. Keep messing with the Bunsen burner taps trooper.

Yes Terry one of the best, all talk and no action. Has a god complex imo. Notice its always the little trainers they get, thats no one ever heard of.

[Toohard]

Your right Jamie its not widespread offending because the level is set at 200 which if you have a look at the way some of the horses perform with say 20 or above in thier system shows it makes a hell of a difference in the WAY! they perform.IMO the level is way too high and IMO what has been achieved so far by setting the level so high is give a lot of trainers the green light to shoot up thier animals with a dangerous chemical from what ive read on the net longterm use may cause severe health problems

Tend to agree. 4 times the standard over there. 25 parts per billion in urine. 5 ppb in blood. Dunno how that converts to our scale. Given most of those on report are under '50' whatevers 200 would appear be very generous?

http://www.equinews.com/article/elevated-cobalt-levels-come-under-scrutiny

[trish]

Your right Jamie its not widespread offending because the level is set at 200 which if you have a look at the way some of the horses perform with say 20 or above in thier system shows it makes a hell of a difference in the WAY! they perform.IMO the level is way too high and IMO what has been achieved so far by setting the level so high is give a lot of trainers the green light to shoot up thier animals with a dangerous chemical from what ive read on the net longterm use may cause severe health problems

Well said Warren.
I wonder if these cobalt readings are pre or post race.......I can't really say what I know about these readings , but I believe that horses are very quick to pass cobalt out of their systems . I'd love to see random , or even better , blanket urine swabbing done as horses arrive on track . I know that a shot of VAM can get their levels up around 35 and it's affect on every horse is different as a performance enhancer so it's impossible to say at what level it helps, but it is possible to say at what level it shouldn't be there . I do know that extensive studies are being undertaken , as we post , to determine a level at which it should never reach . It may stay at 200 but they are hoping results will prove that the level can be dropped and they have to be 100% sure so that no one can get out of it . I'm told that there is a push for a world wide level to be set , so it may be taken out of their hands anyway. This isn't the only thing being used it's just another thing .

[trish]

It makes me feel BLUE when these MAGIC trainers feel they have the GREEN LIGHT to Erase Past Old track records in CRISP times and then feel like a hero or HEROIN when no one can CRACK the case and put a dose of SALTS through them because that would be nICE. Give me an ASPRO , I don't feel so BUTE. It may be because I'm a METHodist but I hate seeing j blogs and CO's horses BOLT past mine . It STERs my adonOIDS.

[Messenger]

10 offending results/inquiries from approx 680 tests...1.47%
Pleased they've been found and will be called to account BUT It could hardly be considered as the widespread offending that it was widely rumoured/officially being made out to be.
Never waste the opportunity that a good crisis represents...even if that crisis is largely not one at all.
I'm still waiting for Terry Bailey to spring his first ITPP positive...you know, that drug that he so confidently stated produces Arsenic as a metabolite. BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. On ya Terry. Keep messing with the Bunsen burner taps trooper.

Did a warning go out that they would be testing for it?

[jackthepunter]

Is the drugs the real reason emilio wants out of nsw? or is it just a classic case of a business man spending massive amounts of money and unfortunately for him no getting many good horses for his efforts.

[Messenger]

I hear you guys but define 'few' Ray - they did have some VERY dodgy stewards just a little while ago

[Chariots]

Obviously from when the corrupt few were outed and Reid Sanders and John Zucal made a concerted effort to put things back on track, not sure of the actual timing and it may be less than a few years.

[DRUIDRACING]

In my view racing in nsw has almost returned to pre cobalt / other drugs. Horses are now being driven differently in respect to their actual ability, there will always people trying to defeat the system and make an extra buck.

I have noticed that Mr Rosoti has moved his horses away from his main trainer recently to others, and now he is taking them to Victoria. best wishes to him.

Owners are the backbone of the industry and without them no horses.

[trish]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Rosati-names-trainers

[trish]

Promising Sydney based junior @chrisgeary27 (https://twitter.com/chrisgeary27) is heading to Qld chasing further opportunities. Arrives Saturday, has metro claim. #talent (https://twitter.com/hashtag/talent?src=hash)