When Did the 1x1 First Lose Favour?

[Messenger]

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX290814&ms=vic#MXM29081406

Race 4 at Melton last night is a classic example of how the 1x1 is semi-despised nowadays
The winner left the 1x1 pre bell to go to the D on his terms other than having to possibly go 3w when the speed came on and the 3w train threatened

I was musing over when 3wide train racing came into vogue (thus putting the hex on the 1x1)
I thought it may have been in the 90's with the tough horses of the Mannings

Anyone?

[cityboy]

thats a no brainer - its definitly when they made the tracks bigger than 800 metres - it used to be called the sweet seat, though theres not much of a dream run now that horses are making runs earlier and not having to give ground away to horses on the inside. now its more of the better horses on the day that do well & drivers that weight lighter

[Messenger]

thats a no brainer - its definitly when they made the tracks bigger than 800 metres - it used to be called the sweet seat, though theres not much of a dream run now that horses are making runs earlier and not having to give ground away to horses on the inside. now its more of the better horses on the day that do well & drivers that weight lighter
I think we all know its drawbacks nowadays and its attraction in the old days (thus why I was reminiscing about it Dougie)
As for your answer - I don't think so
Melbourne trots moved to MV's 965m track in the 70's but I do not remember the 1x1 losing favour that early

[cityboy]

I think we all know its drawbacks nowadays and its attraction in the old days (thus why I was reminiscing about it Dougie)
As for your answer - I don't think so
Melbourne trots moved to MV's 965m track in the 70's but I do not remember the 1x1 losing favour that early


sorry but to be more precise tracks that are bigger than newcastle say for example. they way track are cambered these days its not much of a disadvantage to be 3 wide for a lap say.

[cityboy]

i used to loving driving on half mile tracks even though i had not too many drives more mixed success , it was more push n shove to what it is now completely different.

[Messenger]

sorry but to be more precise tracks that are bigger than newcastle say for example. they way track are cambered these days its not much of a disadvantage to be 3 wide for a lap say.

But that is wrong too because the Peter Manning stable in Vic was mucking up the 1x1 for people by sitting 3 wide - long before we got the new cambered tracks

[aussiebreno]

Why is a horse 5 or 6 back in the running line expected to make up 20-30m and go three wide for a 1000m, yet the horse 1 back in the running line is never set the task of making up 5m and going three wide for a 1000m. Ridiculous.

[Messenger]

Why is a horse 5 or 6 back in the running line expected to make up 20-30m and go three wide for a 1000m, yet the horse 1 back in the running line is never set the task of making up 5m and going three wide for a 1000m. Ridiculous.
Not disagreeing with that Brendan. Just saying that in the real old days the 1x1 used to get away with staying in with cover quite often until coming off the final turn.
But this is a luxury rarely afforded the 1x1 nowadays and understandably so
I thought it was an interesting drive on Our Santa as he opted to death seat for 1200 as he feared he may have otherwise had to go 3w for 1000+

[Race For Fun]

Not sure what the answer is but years ago if a driver pulled out three wide mid race the stewards would have the driver in asking questions as to getting the horse beaten, now they have the driver in and want to know why they didn't pull three wide mid race and put the horse into the race. No doubt it's easier to come three wide on bigger tracks (less turns).

[jackthepunter]

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX290814&ms=vic#MXM29081406

Race 4 at Melton last night is a classic example of how the 1x1 is semi-despised nowadays
The winner left the 1x1 pre bell to go to the D on his terms other than having to possibly go 3w when the speed came on and the 3w train threatened

I was musing over when 3wide train racing came into vogue (thus putting the hex on the 1x1)
I thought it may have been in the 90's with the tough horses of the Mannings

Anyone?

For some reason melton seems to have a strong leader bias

[brent_L]

Why is a horse 5 or 6 back in the running line expected to make up 20-30m and go three wide for a 1000m, yet the horse 1 back in the running line is never set the task of making up 5m and going three wide for a 1000m. Ridiculous.
More often than not the horse 1 back has spent a few fuel tickets early.

[brent_L]

Kev I reckon we also are seeing a lot less horses win from the breeze (that said, I was introduced to the sport during the time when Kerryn would park one of her fathers then simply win). The faster times that are run nowadays is without doubt the reason for this IMO and if the death horse isn't going as well then I suppose one of the last places u want to be is 1x1. That's my take anyhow.

[Messenger]

For some reason melton seems to have a strong leader bias
The lead is pretty much the place you want to be on any track isnt it?
- As always the leader runs the shortest distance
- You or the Death horse control the pace (and the Death driver can face the Stewards if he is not sensible)
- With the right pace our straights are not so long that even a sprint lane horse has the time to catch you
- The pattern of racing nowadays is to see a 3w train and quite often your biggest danger is the 3WT and he generally has to rely on the leader stopping a little to make up 10+m

[Richard prior]

Our Santa Catalina's win on Friday night at Melton was an example on how some racing has changed Kev, David Moran was in the 1 out 1 back and wasn't happy about the pace and popped out and went around into the death and from there pretty much dictated the terms as his main opposition Just Cala had to come from the tail 3 wide by herself and Moran's horse just out toughed the favourite. Good drive IMHO.

[Messenger]

I agree totally Rich. Musing about how much racing has changed was what prompted me to start the thread

[Richard prior]

I agree totally Rich. Musing about how much racing has changed was what prompted me to start the thread

It's an Excellent thread Kev, More than likely David Moran didn't want to be boxed in by Just Cala and his decision to pop out and go to the death certainly won him the race.