Remember When

[trish]

(https://twitter.com/hbintl/status/509664100738019328)
Here is a big trots crowd for you. Wayville (Adelaide) in 1948 #harnessracing (https://twitter.com/hashtag/harnessracing?src=hash) pic.
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[teecee]

Those great pics that have appeared recently of the distant and not so distant past are worthy of their own thread. Some may yearn.."If Only"
If someone can remember where and direct me to the others (Thread and post number) I can add copies to this thread.

[trish]

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Real Namebailey martinPosts359

Patricia, what a great photo. Look how everyone is dressed, probably plenty of bookies, no TAB, no skychannel, no mobile phones but plenty of manners and respect for each other.




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Real Namepatricia ilsleyPosts223

Isn't it brilliant , I'm pinching them from a guys twitter (Barry), I hope he doesn't mind, they are worth sharing .
Back in the day you had to wear a suit & my dad always forgot his tie & had been known to beg, borrow or steal someone's so he didn't get into strife. A few of the old crew used to take one for him as well.

[Messenger]

Trish, I am not into twitter, blogging etc but I am wondering whether you had better give a link to this Barry's twitter

[Triple V]

Bottom right hand corner, the bloke in the hat, that is Trevor Swan.

[trish]

Trish, I am not into twitter, blogging etc but I am wondering whether you had better give a link to this Barry's twitter

No neither am I but I follow a few twitter accounts on the internet , I first came across Barry's work from another account (on the net) & I was wrapped at the old photos
he shows. I will PM you just in case he objects to me posting them.
Bit late for that I guess!

[Amlin]

Here is one I have - 1985 InterDominion at Moonee Valley which will bring back memories for many I am sure

[Danno]

Bottom right hand corner, the bloke in the hat, that is Trevor Swan.

Your a funny bastard Jamie...that is NOT Trevor!!??

[trish]

Here is one I have - 1985 InterDominion at Moonee Valley which will bring back memories for many I am sure


That's fabulous, I am in the stand but just out of camera shot!

[Danno]

That's fabulous, I am in the stand but just out of camera shot!

Geez Trish, could have swore that was you in the second last row on the left hand side!

[trish]

No Dan that's Isobel, can't you tell us apart yet!

[eliteblood]

Your a funny bastard Jamie...that is NOT Trevor!!??

Of course it isn't me.
Jaimie is an imbecile and I will be suggesting that Tee Cee places him in the sin bin for bringing my age into disrepute.

[broncobrad]

Seriously LMAO re above comments...humour is still alive and well on the forum...if only the crowds still were.

[Triple V]

Of course it isn't me.
Jaimie is an imbecile and I will be suggesting that Tee Cee places him in the sin bin for bringing my age into disrepute.



VVV- B.P Hancock is a bit touchy about his age too. Must be a South Coast bloke thing. :-P

[Amlin]

Here's one for you Kev - the trots on free to air TV. Reckon they could resurrect this for a modern audience?


I found this on a tape today, from the first episode of The Saturday Night Show which only lasted seven weeks from Jan 26, 1980. It took over from Penthouse Club which was axed the previous year. I had to cut the live performance by Barry Crocker but you aren't missing much!


Also contains some classic footage as the crowd make their way home after the meeting.


Enjoy!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYEaZfzhQp4

[Messenger]

Thanks Kyle, when I get home to my computer (with listening gear) I will tune into that. I have to be home for Stawell trots tomorrow!

[trish]

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201012/r691197_5210549.jpg
The crowd at HP in 1973.

[broncobrad]

Here's one for you Kev - the trots on free to air TV. Reckon they could resurrect this for a modern audience?
Also contains some classic footage as the crowd make their way home after the meeting.
Enjoy!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYEaZfzhQp4


Couldn't help but compare the whip action of the winner (Frank Hoban) with a Gary Hall Jnr victory salute...those days of judicious whip use are long gone.


Great clip Kyle.

[Danno]

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201012/r691197_5210549.jpg
The crowd at HP in 1973.

Thanks Trish, is that Glamour Chief's heat win on the third night?

[kung fu man]

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[kung fu man]

Dont know if anyones interested this is a pic of D.J.HEATH at Roosevelt in 1966

[eliteblood]

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[Richard prior]

Great shot!! I hadn't been down that way for a few years and directly in line with the inside horse used to be my favourite fishing spot but was a bit treacherous if the wind was coming from the south. Beautiful part of the world, Thanks Trevor.

[Messenger]

Great shot!! I hadn't been down that way for a few years and directly in line with the inside horse used to be my favourite fishing spot but was a bit treacherous if the wind was coming from the south. Beautiful part of the world, Thanks Trevor.
Dan is not so happy. That is him leaning on the chevy and he is peeved that you did not fuzzy the number plate. His face was fuzzy enough but the number plate gave him away and his boss is now threatening to take him to court for the sick pay he claimed that day. The interest is going to be a killer thanks to Paul Keating's recession we had to have.

[Danno]

Dan is not so happy. That is him leaning on the chevy and he is peeved that you did not fuzzy the number plate. His face was fuzzy enough but the number plate gave him away and his boss is now threatening to take him to court for the sick pay he claimed that day. The interest is going to be a killer thanks to Paul Keating's recession we had to have.

Thanks Kev, I was gettin' away with it till you brought it up!!

all jokes aside I had a work car about 12 years ago and the number plate was YBJ-781!!! you must be some kinda psycho Kev!! .

sorry mate I meant psychic but I couldn't rub it out "cos I lost my eraser and I haven't worked out how to use the white out yet!

[Messenger]

You might want to start taking baths Dan

[teecee]

another ambushed thread

[Messenger]

another ambushed thread
Sorry Teecee - it is a very good thread :)

[Messenger]

another ambushed thread
Tony could you create a new thread for the last page of Odds and Ends. Not meaning to ambush again but as the Toni with an i points out it is a important matter of respect

[Richard prior]

Great idea Toni & Kev, A thread all by itself that you can pay your respects to the departed, It's a very sad and touchy subject and should be treated with the uppermost respect.

[trish]

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Harness racing at the RAS Show in Sydney.

[trish]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxxrc15CIAArVd5.jpg:large

Teeny Rena & Brian Hancock parading at Harold Park in 1969

[trish]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxxo0PNCIAALgjd.jpg:large

And of cause this one had to go in.

Michael Frost & Joe Ilsley winning the 1978 Lord Mayors Cup @ Harold Park

[Richard prior]

Just love these old photo's Trish.

[Danno]

The great Michael Frost!!! ended the 26 (please correct me if I'm wrong) winning streak of the superstar " San Simeon"


thanks trish all those pics brought back some wonderful memories of some wonderful times!!

[trish]

Yea they are great guys but just remember I'm pinching them from Barry but I still reckon they are too great not to share.

[trish]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxNfOWMCcAEzHWQ.jpg:large


Fettle defeating Gentleman John & Sibelia in a Harold Park 1000 pound invitation.

[allanjg]

just wondering,how much would you have to pay to get into that meeting at wayville in 1947,i was only 1 year old then...

[Richard prior]

just wondering,how much would you have to pay to get into that meeting at wayville in 1947,i was only 1 year old then...
Lookout Trish, This is a loaded question lol. I can vaguely remember the old currency.

[Amlin]

Those who are looking for information relating to horses, drivers etc from days gone by might be able to locate it at some of these websites where you can view copies of old papers online.


Trove - http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper - here you can search and view a variety of old newspapers from across Australia. The Canberra Times (up to 1995) and Melbourne Argus (to 1957) will give you plenty of stories and results, plus the fields for trots meetings. The search facility is quite good.


Melbourne Age - http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC - search function can be hit or miss so it is handy if you know dates! Some copies are missing, mainly Saturday issues but you can view them up to around 1989. Same with the Sydney Morning Herald - http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC


The Trove site is part of a government Newspaper Digitization Plan. Apparently it is quite expensive to make digital copies of old newspapers but local groups are doing small town newspapers bit by bit. I see they are shortly going to upload copies of the Melbourne Sporting Globe up to 1954, so this will mean access to plenty of material from the early era of the Melb Showgrounds.

[Mighty Atom]

Pictures of crowd at 1981 W.A. Pacing Cup won by San Simeon.

[Richard prior]

Pictures of crowd at 1981 W.A. Pacing Cup won by San Simeon.

Welcome back Rod, Now that's a crowd and a half. Checkout the Interdom thread mate, It's all go for GP and I will be interested to hear your thoughts.

[Amlin]

Vin Knight's "number one fan"

[trish]

Finish at the old Victoria Park track in Sydney in 1940 #harnessracing (https://twitter.com/hashtag/harnessracing?src=hash)






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[trish]

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Sibelia & J.D.Watts

[Richard prior]

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Sibelia & J.D.Watts

Great photo Trish, If you zoom in you can see the crowd in the background and it's massive.

[trish]

Thanks to Barryhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzBTqFFCEAEtvkt.jpg:large

[trish]

Apollo ll & Kevin Newmanhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/By5QtlNCAAAzcf1.jpg:large

[trish]

Still pinching great photos from Barry......HP 1920'shttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzLqs8TCMAA47-i.jpg:large

[The Form Student]

Thanks to Barryhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzBTqFFCEAEtvkt.jpg:large

Do we know when this photo was taken?..............just trying to make out the drivers in this race..........is that Kevin Robinson sitting last???

[Race For Fun]

Do we know when this photo was taken?..............just trying to make out the drivers in this race..........is that Kevin Robinson sitting last???

Looks like him to me. Is it Percy Hall in the 1x1?

Trish is that Joe 1 out 2 back??

[The Form Student]

Is that C R "Bobbie" Allen 3F?

[Race For Fun]

A real stab in the dark now, Merv Adams or John Lennard behind the leader?

[Danno]

Reckon that's Greg Andrews on "the way to go" in the death, one of the frosts in front, CJ gleeson 1 x 2 and one of the Robinson's at the back of the main pack some time in 1994, certainly before the track was changed in early 1996.

that's my stab

[trish]

As everyone knows I pinch these from a guys twitter account & he hasn't scolded me as yet for doing so, hope he doesn't they are so good & need sharing.
Its taken in the 90's not sure exactly when. Dan 100% sure that Chris Gleeson 1x2, Robbo at back, 1x1 Colin Watts colours?? , in front Vic Frost , can just see the black stars maybe. No dad not in there.

[trish]

Rocket Glenfern beats Manaroa for Steve & me.
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[trish]

1970's weigh in at HPhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzdUwDwCMAA55eV.jpg:large

[The Form Student]

Hi Trish, Is this pic, The Mighty "Rocket Glenfern", you can see from my profile he is my all-time favourite horse! In his day, he had electrifying speed, could put 20 metres on them in a blink.....was racing at a time when their were lots of good horses!

[trish]

Hi Trish, Is this pic, The Mighty "Rocket Glenfern", you can see from my profile he is my all-time favourite horse! In his day, he had electrifying speed, could put 20 metres on them in a blink.....was racing at a time when their were lots of good horses!


Dads favourite as well. I remember him at HP one night in one of his 2yo wins & he was dead last going up the back........went from last to first in the blink of an eye, as you say against great horses, Adios Park, Royal Dew, Remember James etc in the Challenge Stakes final, just read the write up .....driver gave up hope by Bill Ellis. Won 6 outta 6 as a 2yo, top horse fun to watch, I did collect all his write up, photos etc look at them every now & cherish the memories.

[The Form Student]

Hey Trish, my fondest memory of your father was the way he would go around the outside fence walking his horse before the start.....punters would run down to the fence and yell out, "Hey Joe can you win tonight?"......he was always honest and often said "he had no chance, or it needs the run!".....He was a beauty!
Now he would be getting fined for talking on the track!

[trish]

Hey Trish, my fondest memory of your father was the way he would go around the outside fence walking his horse before the start.....punters would run down to the fence and yell out, "Hey Joe can you win tonight?"......he was always honest and often said "he had no chance, or it needs the run!".....He was a beauty!
Now he would be getting fined for talking on the track!


Yes he did do that ALL the time but It did not escape Mr Pascoe!!! The stories I could tell.............................in Dads last few months he told Mark & Myself some great stories, we looked after him & spent plenty of time with him & he loved to recall his fondest memories, we were just fortunate enough that he told us, not sure he told anyone else. One of my favourites was when he got offered Steel Trader for $25,000 . That was huge money and he grabbed a shovel and dug up an old inner tube that was tied at each end with wire . Inside was enough saturated bills to make up most of it . We had to empty a room and lay each bill out on the floor until the floor was covered and we dried it all . After Dad passed away we cleaned up and Mark found one single gum boot hanging in the shed . He asked "why would he keep one boot ". We found $2000 wrapped up in mums purse inside . We shared it out with all the workers . Times have changed and good stories don't seem to be being made these days .

[The Form Student]

Trish, that is a precious story........and I am glad you shared it.....re the boot, he probably forgot all about it!
I can remember one day at Granville gymkhana he brought a horse out on the track for it's preliminary, well it was pulling his arms out of the socket, and he was not happy!......he got out of the gig, took half it's gear off, then put just the bit back in its mouth and started to shake it around profusely in the horses mouth.......you could hear the rattling of its teeth, he then geared it back up.....threw the reins in the dust sheet.... and the horse walked around to the start as quiet as a mouse.
You've got a sister, Isobel, what is she up to these days?

[trish]

Given the game away, living the good life at her little farm in Sydney, still has a few old fellas, they all won at HP. We offered her one of our horses to train & you wouldn't believe it, her answer was not very lady like!!!!

Cyril Caffin was amazed . He always talked about the time Dad took 4 horses to Bankstown and only had one set of hopples . He would gear the first one up then put a twist in the hopples or untwist them . The four raced without undoing a buckle on the hopples . He was slated by the Stewards at Penrith one night because the horses had sand over them after a swim . He just said "if that's the worst thing I've done , you can go to buggery . They all won

[The Form Student]

He was the best straight shooter there was!
I nearly had a massive collect at Harold Park one night, I think it was the 1st race, dad had a horse called HUGHAVA, it had been trialling well, I think it was an old crock at this time........and he was a good stand starter, it's price was somewhere between 80/1 & 125/1.....I kept going around the ring having $10 & $20 each-way, in the main ring, the strip and even over in the ledger...........I think I had about $400 each-way just before they jumped........well dad led all the way, but got nutted a nose on the line by the favourite, I think it was one of those "Becky" horses from the Hancock stable...............I still got a nice return, but only if!
My memory sometimes fails me, Nuts & Bolts was it one of dad's, it raced at the old Parramatta track if I'm right?

[Danno]

G'day Steve,
not answering for Trish but " Nuts and Bolts" was a great horse for Joe, he was one of the earliest winners of the Maitland Inter-City Pace when some truly great horses won it, Joe also had Michael Frost who just got nutted on the line in the final a couple of years later,and then ended the winning sequence of San Simeon in a heat of the interdominion in Hobart a little later, "nuts and bolts" also won a Newcastle Cup if my memory serves me correctly. Either way he was a great horse and a good looker too, black and fast, a terrific horse.

[hbintl]

Hi. I'm the "guy" trish has been pinching the pics from off twitter. Im glad you are all enjoying them. Regards

[The Form Student]

Good on you Barry, they are great! They bring back lot's of memories!

[trish]

Nuts & Bolts , the story goes that he was born in a wrecking yard.

[Messenger]

Hi. I'm the "guy" trish has been pinching the pics from off twitter. Im glad you are all enjoying them. Regards
Welcome Barry, I think you should give your twitter link a plug

[Richard prior]

Thanks very much Barry, Great to see these photo's all these years later.

[hbintl]

All the pics (plus thoroughbred pics) can be seen at my twitter account @hbintl . Here is one of the 1963 Tom Austin Cup finish at Richmond. Won by Todman306

[hbintl]

The Bishop winning at the old Parramatta track in 1972 307

[hbintl]

Parramatta racebook cover. 308

[trish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYlZrjJA-5Q&feature=youtu.be

[teecee]

If that is 1933 it is absolutely amazing video

[trish]

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Dad & Double Agent MM 1984.........thanks Barry

[The Form Student]

The 2 "Oldies" showed them a trick that night! 30 years ago Trish!.....and we still talk about it!

[Race For Fun]

What a great photo of Joe and Double Agent. Bragging rights there hey Trish.

[Smoken]

Great pic of your Dad and Double Agent :)
All the pics in this thread are awesome! Hurry up and invent time machine someone :p

[Messenger]

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Dad & Double Agent MM 1984.........thanks Barry

I was just admiring your Dad's win on Monday when reading Harnessing A Miracle between races at Horsham. This is better than any of the pics in the book
One of the real close finishes. How many 12yo's have won - I am guessing ONE

[The Form Student]

This is a replay!

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube%20harness%20racing%20double%20age nt&qs=n&form=QBVR&pq=youtube%20harness%20racing%20double%20agent&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&mid=5CC0F5DB538978D03C2B5CC0F5DB538978D03C2B

[The Form Student]

For everybody that misses Harold Park!............see who you can recognise from the past............for Trish, I think she will remember a lot of these scenes.............I even saw Doug Stiff in the background, when Brad Petersen was being interviewed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gJg92imlTHc

[The Form Student]

Geelong 2 days ago, Trot winner Katelin Brooke, driven by Debbie Wicks-Moss, it is good to remind us, that as Miss Debbie Wicks before she was married............she was the 1st female to drive a winner in a Harness race in Australia in 1977! She is still going strong, what a great achievement!

http://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=VIC&raceCode=GEC18111408

[The Form Student]

Vale, Jimmy Robinson............he was a great guy.......spoke to him many times, very friendly............he stood out in a crowd, fair skin and lots of freckles!........very sad...........he could get a horse to go!

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=24987

[trish]

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Opening day Menangle racecourse 1916.

[Messenger]

I commend them for trying but I cannot get into this Ballarat Fantasy Cup
The concept would work for an MM or an Inter but neither need the gimmick so once again good try by Ballarat - it is probably just me

[Amlin]

Brilliant trotter Touch Merchant parades in front of the packed stands at Moonee Valley in 1978.

[barney]

Bit of nostalgia Touch merchant trained by Eric Dove and named after trotting trainers.Eric had a trotter Just money tht he lost in controversial circumstances henceforth the name Touch merchant.

[Amlin]

An added incentive to attend Easter Sunday's Warragul Cup program.


A memorabilia display will take the old timers back to the "good old days of trotting".


In 2015 the Warragul Cup celebrates sixty years since the first staging in 1955 - and it is fifty years since local champ Macaree won off 48 yards in 1965. On Sunday Macaree's colours and original, all leather harness will be on display.


Annastere was also trained by Macaree's trainer, John Collins, and hopefully her sash from the 1972 Victoria Derby will be on show along with scrapbooks - plus photos and trophies won by Macaree.


A video screen will show some great old racing from the night era at Warragul, and various photos and scrapbooks from the club's collection will be able to be viewed.

[Messenger]

Good stuff Kyle. I remember Horsham's 100yr display last year created a lot of interest.

[Adaptor]

Well done Kyle
I'm sure your efforts will create a lot of interest and conversations.The large display at Boort for their 125 created a lot of interest and great conversations.
Boort Club had created a display including many old racebooks, and a lot of Bill McKay, Butterworth, Hando and Robertson memories.
Bendigo HRC took colours and sulkies to Boort and it was great how so many so many participants including stewards, current and former trainers and drivers stopped to look and chat. They even re-named the back straight as the Grand Voyage Back Straight.

How many different drivers did Macaree have? I am told that Tommy Allen started him off...is that correct?

[Amlin]

Hi Noel - not sure how many drivers he had. I have a scrapbook they did of his career which would have that in it but that is at the display at present. Will get a photo of the display for those who cannot attend.


Nev Gath won plenty of races with him, Don Dove, perhaps Neville Welsh and numerous others. He did race plenty of times!


By the way - one for you to look at. I believe this is the old Bendigo Lord's Raceway track before they "swapped sides" but you will know more than me.


Footage from 1978 - looks like Channel 7 did a direct telecast this night for Penthouse Club.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofCARkryn9A&feature=youtu.be











Well done Kyle
I'm sure your efforts will create a lot of interest and conversations.The large display at Boort for their 125 created a lot of interest and great conversations.
Boort Club had created a display including many old racebooks, and a lot of Bill McKay, Butterworth, Hando and Robertson memories.
Bendigo HRC took colours and sulkies to Boort and it was great how so many so many participants including stewards, current and former trainers and drivers stopped to look and chat. They even re-named the back straight as the Grand Voyage Back Straight.

How many different drivers did Macaree have? I am told that Tommy Allen started him off...is that correct?

[Amlin]

Trots from the 70's - a race from Cranbourne in 1979


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3dgm_QNkg

[PremiumEdition]

Hi Noel, I think C Mance had a lot of training of Macaree, however late in his career Howard Taylor won a lot of races on him as well, from memory I think he won a race from 60yds behind scratch with Howard at the reins. He was certainly a tough horse to say the least. Cheers