Frith's foal cannot be found!

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Frith-s-foal

Does this sound ridiculous or what?

[Race For Fun]

Could have been born dead and taken by wild dogs.

I was under the impression that mares had to be finished racing for surrogate foaling. This way a mare can have any number of foals.

[teecee]

Could have been born dead and taken by wild dogs.

I was under the impression that mares had to be finished racing for surrogate foaling. This way a mare can have any number of foals.


The idea of Embryo Transfer is so that the donor mare (Frith) can continue racing whilst the embryo and foal are raised by the non racing recipient mare. only one foal per donor mare per season can be registered.

[Race For Fun]

The idea of Embryo Transfer is so that the donor mare (Frith) can continue racing whilst the embryo and foal are raised by the non racing recipient mare. only one foal per donor mare per season can be registered.

Is that the way it has always been? For some reason I thought when it first came in, in Australia it was designed for mares who had finished racing but were unable to carry a foal to full term.

Maybe mother nature is still in charge some of the time.

[teecee]

Yes you are right in what you say. That is the other reason to ET.
Man can use the science of ET but yes I'm sure Mother Nature does still rule the roost.

[eliteblood]

Is that the way it has always been? For some reason I thought when it first came in, in Australia it was designed for mares who had finished racing but were unable to carry a foal to full term.



You are right Toni. When it first became approved in Australia it was for mares that could not carry a foal for whatever reason.
The rules have since been relaxed.

[Race For Fun]

You are right Toni. When it first became approved in Australia it was for mares that could not carry a foal for whatever reason.
The rules have since been relaxed.

Thought that was how it started. Was your mare Sabilize one of the first mares in Australia to take advantage of this Trevor?

[Richard prior]

I'll retract my comments as there's conflicting story's floating around and Bernie or Bruce really need to come clean on which of the scenario's is correct.

[eliteblood]

Thought that was how it started. Was your mare Sabilize one of the first mares in Australia to take advantage of this Trevor?

Yes, I think she may have been the first. All of her foals bar the first one were by ET.

[Messenger]

A couple of weeks back a usually reliable industry source tweeted that the mare slipped. Stranger and stranger

[Smoken]

Plain weird...

[aussiebreno]

http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/2627693/no-mystery-behind-sad-end-for-friths-foal/?cs=149

[Messenger]

Thanks Brendan - the link above quotes Bernie Kelly as saying all the quotes that Paul Courts got from Frith's trainer, Bruce Harpley were bulldust

I wonder whether the foal was insured and whether that could be relevant

I hope this does not cost Bruce Harpley

[Triple V]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0HpyQbGwHg

[Race For Fun]

Talk about not letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

[Richard prior]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0HpyQbGwHg

This is just ridiculous, I wonder if the Authority's are going to grill someone over this??

[Greg Hando]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Frith-s-foal

Does this sound ridiculous or what?

Not ridiculous not being able to find a foal. We lost one in 1983 in a 100 acre paddock feed up to their guts' i rode all over the paddock on a saddle horse and couldn't find hide nor hair of it and neither could the 3 cattle dog's i had with me. Most probably born dead and the foxes got it.

[Messenger]

But Greg, would that have been the foal of the best mare in Australia?
Surprised the dogs did not find at least a clue - mine would find a crumb in that paddock ;)

[Greg Hando]

Doesn't matter what mare if you cant find it it's gone and that's that.

[trish]

Embryo transplants are just wrong!


Recently on Harnesslink.com there was a story about the great Australian Breeders Crown and Group 1 winner, Frith, and that her foal, via a surrogate mother, was missing from the breeding farm after being foaled.
While it is sad that anyone would consider stealing a new born foal, it does not skirt the issue of embryo transplants, which has been allowed in Australian and New Zealand horse racing for a number of years now.
Embryo transplants in race horses, just like cloning or any other unnatural forms of reproduction in horse racing, is just plain wrong.
If it is being done to create a better cow that gives more milk, or improving a breed of livestock to enhance food production, then that is fine. But to allow a horse to continue racing and trying to get “foals” from her so you don’t have to lose any income from her racing is unfair to everyone else in the industry. Either you are a broodmare or a race horse, not both at the same time.
If a mare cannot have a foal naturally, then that is Mother Nature’s way of say the breed will not continue through her. Allowing embryo transplants of any form in race horse mares should no longer be allowed. It may be a hard fight to end it but worth the effort.
Horse racing has enough issues with “better racing through chemistry” and this act falls right within those guides. The same should be said for artificial insemination and frozen semen, but those are topics of controversy for another day.


From insider-access

[trish]

Embryo transplants are just wrong!


Recently on Harnesslink.com there was a story about the great Australian Breeders Crown and Group 1 winner, Frith, and that her foal, via a surrogate mother, was missing from the breeding farm after being foaled.
While it is sad that anyone would consider stealing a new born foal, it does not skirt the issue of embryo transplants, which has been allowed in Australian and New Zealand horse racing for a number of years now.
Embryo transplants in race horses, just like cloning or any other unnatural forms of reproduction in horse racing, is just plain wrong.
If it is being done to create a better cow that gives more milk, or improving a breed of livestock to enhance food production, then that is fine. But to allow a horse to continue racing and trying to get “foals” from her so you don’t have to lose any income from her racing is unfair to everyone else in the industry. Either you are a broodmare or a race horse, not both at the same time.
If a mare cannot have a foal naturally, then that is Mother Nature’s way of say the breed will not continue through her. Allowing embryo transplants of any form in race horse mares should no longer be allowed. It may be a hard fight to end it but worth the effort.
Horse racing has enough issues with “better racing through chemistry” and this act falls right within those guides. The same should be said for artificial insemination and frozen semen, but those are topics of controversy for another day.



From insider-access

[Race For Fun]

Insider-access

Embryo transplants are just wrong!

Recently on Harnesslink.com there was a story about the great Australian Breeders Crown and Group 1 winner, Frith, and that her foal, via a surrogate mother, was missing from the breeding farm after being foaled. While it is sad that anyone would consider stealing a new born foal, it does not skirt the issue of embryo transplants, which has been allowed in Australian and New Zealand horse racing for a number of years now. Embryo transplants in race horses, just like cloning or any other unnatural forms of reproduction in horse racing, is just plain wrong. If it is being done to create a better cow that gives more milk, or improving a breed of livestock to enhance food production, then that is fine. But to allow a horse to continue racing and trying to get “foals” from her so you don’t have to lose any income from her racing is unfair to everyone else in the industry. Either you are a broodmare or a race horse, not both at the same time.

For what its worth I must say that I agree with this part of the above story. You can't have it both ways. Too much like designer babies. If the mare is finished racing ok but not while still racing.