Miracle Mile 2014

[brent_L]

Interdom final, Miracle Mile, what's next ffs!!

[arlington]

Replay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr0CXur7zsE

[Race For Fun]

Interdom final, Miracle Mile, what's next ffs!!

Yes Brent it's a bit serious isn't it. These horses are once in a life time horses. There is not a driver who has gone out in a race worth half of the money the MM is worth who wasn't desperate to win BUT that "I want to get out no matter what" type of driving has no place in harness racing now a day. These horses a worth many many $100,000 Driving like that is not acceptable in $3000 races. All drivers must respect not only the rules of racing but other drivers and horses.

[littlelenny]

Great win by Christen Me, Beautide and guaranteed were big runs as well. I guessed the time right but had Beautide winning with christen me 2nd, thats close enough.
Cant wait to see them go head to head again in the upcoming Victoria features nothing between the 3.

[trish]

Gareth Hall @ghall27 ·
Trots - I am that confident Beautide will win the Miracle Mile I will do a challenge on the gig which can be set by the best tweet

https://twitter.com/ghall27/status/534301565192896512 (https://twitter.com/ghall27/status/534301565192896512)


Wonder which challenge Gareth will do!

[Messenger]

Why didn't Rattray stay in the 1x1 a bit longer?

[p plater]

Kevin, I believe it was a extremely thoughtful drive and his skill as a driver lifted in my books. While the tactic just failed, I and others on this forum thought that CM would get on his back and get the perfect suck along, then out sprint him. By putting a horse between them young Rattray I believe was trying to counter this option. CM still got him but just.

[brent_L]

Why didn't Rattray stay in the 1x1 a bit longer?
I'm glad u asked that question Kev.....I wasn't brave enough. By no means do I think James drove a bad race and I totally understand his thinking in trying to steal a march on his main adversary, but I do believe he would have won the race if he waited and then pushed the others wider when they made their run.

[HaroldParker]

Tactically poor from the Avonnova camp. He's only hope of winning the race was from 3 pegs.

You guys banging on about quick first quarters / halves, 1 Mile = 1 lap. We're no longer racing at Harold Park, Moonee Valley or the showgrounds.

They went out in 53.8 in the first race too. The first three out were the first ones home.

[aussiebreno]

Tactically poor from the Avonnova camp. He's only hope of winning the race was from 3 pegs.

You guys banging on about quick first quarters / halves, 1 Mile = 1 lap. We're no longer racing at Harold Park, Moonee Valley or the showgrounds.

They went out in 53.8 in the first race too. The first three out were the first ones home.
25.2 compared to 26.2 first quarter. One gets your heart rate near max and 28.5 isn't enough to recover. A 26.2 leaves a bit in the locker. Christen Me and Beautide sitting on the speed is a bit different to Shannonsablast and Tact Hayleys Delight.

Cockburn got the chop for much less so I imagine a few Brisbane drivers must be on the blower to Gurney.

How long does Tritton and his drivers get for incompitent tactics?

1.80 v 4.20 for horses who raced twice. Christen Me went past him once and the other time had to death seat with Beautide 3 pegs. There is nothing between them and those prices were bizarre. Thankyou amd well done to everyone who had a win especially Richard with the tri.

[Race For Fun]

Cockburn got the chop for much less so I imagine a few Brisbane drivers must be on the blower to Gurney.
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Have been wondering the same thing. I thought he was treated very harshly, very hard to drive for people how drop a driver after one error. All good drivers can put in one sub par drive.

[brent_L]

Hindsight- should have only been a 7 horse field for sure.

Graham drove Nova the exact way that Gurney had been talking all week......Bart obviously wasn't on the same page as him in the Bris race. Tactics in both races receive a fail from me for what it's worth.

[Danno]

25.2 compared to 26.2 first quarter. One gets your heart rate near max and 28.5 isn't enough to recover. A 26.2 leaves a bit in the locker. Christen Me and Beautide sitting on the speed is a bit different to Shannonsablast and Tact Hayleys Delight.

Cockburn got the chop for much less so I imagine a few Brisbane drivers must be on the blower to Gurney.

How long does Tritton and his drivers get for incompitent tactics?




1.80 v 4.20 for horses who raced twice. Christen Me went past him once and the other time had to death seat with Beautide 3 pegs. There is nothing between them and those prices were bizarre. Thankyou amd well done to everyone who had a win especially Richard with the tri.


Brendan, as usual, you are on the money with your analysis of the sectionals....but take it a step further in particular with the out of the gate speed, what have they run the first 100?200? metres, that is where the gas gets cooked, I understand that information is not currently available, but is EXACTLY where the unrecoverable pennies get spent.

cheers,
Dan.

[aussiebreno]

Brendan, as usual, you are on the money with your analysis of the sectionals....but take it a step further in particular with the out of the gate speed, what have they run the first 100?200? metres, that is where the gas gets cooked, I understand that information is not currently available, but is EXACTLY where the unrecoverable pennies get spent.

cheers,
Dan.
Too true Danno. A 400m in 15 and 15 is different to it being covered in 13 and 17.

[Richard prior]

25.2 compared to 26.2 first quarter. One gets your heart rate near max and 28.5 isn't enough to recover. A 26.2 leaves a bit in the locker. Christen Me and Beautide sitting on the speed is a bit different to Shannonsablast and Tact Hayleys Delight.

Cockburn got the chop for much less so I imagine a few Brisbane drivers must be on the blower to Gurney.

How long does Tritton and his drivers get for incompitent tactics?

1.80 v 4.20 for horses who raced twice. Christen Me went past him once and the other time had to death seat with Beautide 3 pegs. There is nothing between them and those prices were bizarre. Thankyou amd well done to everyone who had a win especially Richard with the tri.
Cheers Breno!!

[aussiebreno]

.Shane stated quite clearly on several occasions EOTE was holding the lead.........that's it!.......so why then, when Avonnova was clearly beaten out of the gate by EOTE did he decide to kick up and put on the speed for the 1st quarter?........was it to keep SSL out 3 wide?? If you want to question anybody's driving tactics, speak to the driver of Avonnova, first and foremost! If he believed keeping SSL out from getting to the death or perhaps leading was the key to winning the race, then he has "rocks in his head"! James Rattray knew his tactics weren't too good, as he quickly went around and got to the death seat for himself.[/QUOTE]
Any chance Graham believed the talk about EOTE was showmansmanship. A lot of things get said during the week that do not eventuate in sport. One got beat 50m and one got beat 20m. I think I am speaking to the driver who got done 50m first.

[Richard prior]

Any chance Graham believed the talk about EOTE was showmansmanship. A lot of things get said during the week that do not eventuate in sport. One got beat 50m and one got beat 20m. I think I am speaking to the driver who got done 50m first.
Yes it makes you wonder why the driver of EOTE kept on boring it into his horse after the sizzling 1st quarter, EOTE was a shot duck 600m's from home, Tactically 3 drivers were found out big time, Morris, Graham and Panella, Graham's mission to keep SSL posted 3 wide in the 1st quarter was achieved and clearly he lost his way not long after Plan A was successful, Panella could have easily pulled back and sat on Avonovva's back and give her horse a slight breather but going down to the inside was suicide as the stable mate was always going to compound after burning along and as we know Avonovva just keeps plugging away and he was never going to drop off until well into the straight. Yes Morris definitley gets questioned before Graham and if you take the collision out of the equation, Avonovva finishes even closer to the winner IMHO.

[The Form Student]

Any chance Graham believed the talk about EOTE was showmansmanship. A lot of things get said during the week that do not eventuate in sport. One got beat 50m and one got beat 20m. I think I am speaking to the driver who got done 50m first.

Maybe he did think it was showmanship!..............but he paid the price for thinking it!.........However, when you have a stablemate in the same race that may also want to lead or sit outside you, who are you going to give up to? At a point just after the start, EOTE was the clear leader, and SSL was a neck in front of Avonnova, was EOTE going to give up to Avonnova........I don't think so........was Avonnova going to try and keep the death.....it looks like it...........did SSL "eventually" restrain...........I think so!.........were all 3 horses chances compromised after the 1st quarter...........definitely! When Avonnova was clearly beaten at the start, it was time to re-assess your strategy for the race, as it was apparent pretty early that the talk was being delivered!

My tactics for Avonnova as I "said before the race", were to sit behind EOTE, if EOTE gave up to SSL, make a call when to come off the fence and sit outside it, if EOTE holds out SSL.......you take your chance for a run...........or pull back to the 1-1 if possible, if you really want to be off the fence!........EOTE would have been expected to lead until the home turn, you give yourself every chance to get up the prizemoney list! Yes, I know Avonnova is a high speed plugger, and would prefer to lead or death seat, but in a race where the speed is going to be on you need to be adaptive to circumstances if you don't get what you want!

The 2nd tier horses in the race played into the hands of the elite on this occasion.

Did you notice the fancied runners all decided not to aim up out of the gate.......their decisions were vindicated!

[The Form Student]

Yes it makes you wonder why the driver of EOTE kept on boring it into his horse after the sizzling 1st quarter, EOTE was a shot duck 600m's from home, Tactically 3 drivers were found out big time, Morris, Graham and Panella, Graham's mission to keep SSL posted 3 wide in the 1st quarter was achieved and clearly he lost his way not long after Plan A was successful, Panella could have easily pulled back and sat on Avonovva's back and give her horse a slight breather but going down to the inside was suicide as the stable mate was always going to compound after burning along and as we know Avonovva just keeps plugging away and he was never going to drop off until well into the straight. Yes Morris definitley gets questioned before Graham and if you take the collision out of the equation, Avonovva finishes even closer to the winner IMHO.

I'm sure David Morris was given very clear instructions from Shane............."hold the lead, and keep on improving your position"............unless SSL crosses Avonnova...............then???

At the time of the collision, SSL was also probing for a run..........not clear cut on that point!........but both horses chance were already reduced!

[djgood]

There is a rule that used to be used a lot , giving your horse every possible chance to win or placed best, there used to be regular 6month suspensions with this rule , to me there is 1 definite breach of the rule maybe 2 or possibly even 3 in the miracle mile

[The Form Student]

There is a rule that used to be used a lot , giving your horse every possible chance to win or placed best, there used to be regular 6month suspensions with this rule , to me there is 1 definite breach of the rule maybe 2 or possibly even 3 in the miracle mile

Are you really going to give them 6 months for going the first quarter in 25.2?

[djgood]

Did running 25.2 give EOTE every possible chance to win? He was gone at the 600 so that answers itself

[djgood]

Another intersecting part is if we change tactics we have to notify the stewards and they notify the public, but when you have 2horses in a race the trainer has to notify the stewards of how both will be driven ,I've done this heaps giving hem the best possible scenario and even plan b but this is never disclosed to the public

[The Form Student]

Another intersecting part is if we change tactics we have to notify the stewards and they notify the public, but when you have 2horses in a race the trainer has to notify the stewards of how both will be driven ,I've done this heaps giving hem the best possible scenario and even plan b but this is never disclosed to the public

Who has changed their tactics in MM, SSL always goes forward (unless of the 2nd line) maybe SSL thought he could cross EOTE, at least they had a go, but were not successful!

[The Form Student]

Did running 25.2 give EOTE every possible chance to win? He was gone at the 600 so that answers itself

Are you giving the 6 months to the driver or the trainer who instructed the driver to lead at all costs, I don't think that you can call this a deliberate breach requiring a 6 months penalty..........the other drivers and their trainers that also forced the issue of the extreme fast 1st quarter also need to be brought into the equation.........

In the 1st race, they went exactly the same first half of 53.8, but the leader and 2F who put the speed on both went well, with the leader winning the race!.......poorer horses chasing then the MM field. I have heard the argument of an extreme 25.2 to not so extreme 26.1 quarter.......but this was the MM and there is a take no prisoners attitude, maybe they were overwhelmed by the race, and over did their tactics!

Back to the 1st race, poor Joshua Aiken came out blazing from his wide gate on real Bonus to get outside the lead, unfortunately the fast 1st quarter and racing wide early took it's toll and the horse dropped out and ran last............do we give him time for this?.........of course not!

So hypothetically, are you putting forward that if you go the 1st Q in under say 26, and drop out, you are going to get time, up to 6 months!

[djgood]

I am not saying anything I stated there was a rule that used to be enforced my view is no they didn't give the horse every chance in the company it was in , time only counts in jail

[djgood]

Its all got to do with class your racing

[The Form Student]

,I never questioned any change in tactics I questioned that when you change tactics the public is notified but they are not notified of tactics when a trainer has 2 in a race betting would have been a lot different had punters known EOTE was on a suicide mission[/QUOTE]

....just putting up a case..........would it not be plausible that the Tritton stable were looking to give the lead to SSL on EOTE, but unfortunately Avonnova spoilt the plan? I think that the stable put out the statement that EOTE was holding the lead to perhaps put the Avonnova camp on notice of their intentions, and hoped their ulterior plan would occur!

The Tritton stable always said that EOTE would be leading!

The stewards have not questioned or indicated any inquiry into these 3 horses, drivers or trainers for the 1st quarter..........as the premier mile race at Menangle.... you would want a very slippery 1st Q to set up a record attempt..........the directors are probably very happy with the 1:49.1 time recorded.

What the directors need to look at is the absolutely disgraceful TAB holdings on the race...........is the race worth it for $750,000 prizemoney. I would not be thinking of a prizemoney increase in the near future, but more likely a reduction is warranted...........unless betting turnover improves.......they would probably of not made enough from the race to pay 3rd prizemoney!

[djgood]

My old man got DQ for 6months once for sitting behind the leader on a horse the stewards said should of lead. he didnt give the horse best possible chance to win bit harsh but those were the rules, he got caught in ran 2nd a nose as odds on fave

[The Form Student]

My old man got DQ for 6months once for sitting behind the leader on a horse the stewards said should of lead. he didnt give the horse best possible chance to win bit harsh but those were the rules, he got caught in ran 2nd a nose as odds on fave

That is a ridiculous penalty!...........I remember your old man driving........for some reason I have in my head, I can see him at Liverpool Gymkhana driving horses.......I used to sit it in my car in the back straight opposite the winning post watching the trials.............I suppose you were their also?..............I always remember a guy named Ernie Anforth from Liverpool gymkhana....a very nice man!

[djgood]

Didnt help the next week the horse led all the way at Hp for an easy win

[djgood]

Yes wasn't a suspension but a DQ over the top yes but at the time it was fair