Ah NZ

[Messenger]

I know this should probably go in NZ Tony but more of our posters go to NZ than actually visit the NZ board and I want an answer (so if you move it you have to answer it too)

Check out the video of Race 2 at Gore last month - beautiful Gore with the sheep and the green grass, the sheep and the horses, the sheep and the track, sheep everywhere over there Tony
Anyway watch them enter the straight then read the Stewards Report - not even a warning issued and what sort of Protest is that Tony?
"JCA request payment of $475" from 2nd horse to last horse. Is JCA the Stewards? $475 would have been 3rd prizemoney so I am figuring they reckon the 2nd horse cost Guggy 3rd place. It says Request for a Ruling, so how do we find out if it was actually paid?

http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewahr/wsd01x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=204416

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/stipes/101151sr.pdf

[The Form Student]

Kev, here's your decision by JCA.......yes the connections were ordered to pay the difference between the last placed prizemoney of $86 and the $475 3rd prizemoney, so connections had to cough up $389!............what if we bring in our own JCA.........not a bad idea!

Below is the JCA decision!

http://www.jca.org.nz/race-days/gore-hrc-harness-racing-11-10-2014/r2-0

[The Form Student]

Here's some info on who the JCA are, they cover all racing codes in NZ!

http://www.jca.org.nz/about-jca

[Messenger]

Thanks Steve

http://www.jca.org.nz/race-days/gore-hrc-harness-racing-11-10-2014/gore-hrc-11-september-2014-r-2-request-for-a-ruling

Wow - what a lot of man hours for $389

I found the original stewards report short on details as to whether Dunn was even questioned about the interference and was certainly not warned about lack of control

[The Form Student]

Apparently, D Dunn advised that when he pulled the deafeners, the horse he drove veered out checking Guggy!

[The Form Student]

Hey Kev, the NZ trotting cup yesterday, completely sold out!

http://www.addington.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014-Cup-Day-Hospitality-Booking-Form-291014.pdf

[The Form Student]

They even had Warnie there!

http://www.addington.co.nz/cup-week/shane-warne-to-attend-2014-cup-day/

[The Form Student]

Yes, there was lamb on the menu!.............

http://www.addington.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/Sample-A-la-Carte-Menu.pdf

[Messenger]

Apparently, D Dunn advised that when he pulled the deafeners, the horse he drove veered out checking Guggy!

Now I know I am going senile. The first page (summary page) comes up on my screen and stupid me thinks that is it - scroll Kevin scroll

[Messenger]

Yes, there was lamb on the menu!.............

http://www.addington.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/Sample-A-la-Carte-Menu.pdf

I hope none of the sheep that adorn the Gore track were sacrificed!
I wish I could find meals like that for $13 in Vic

[Messenger]

They even had Warnie there!

http://www.addington.co.nz/cup-week/shane-warne-to-attend-2014-cup-day/

Congratulations to the NZMTC.
TC told us Warnie would be there when, in another thread, we were dreaming about having free to air harness coverage in Oz and having someone like Bruce McAvaney with a celebrity sidekick to host it

[The Form Student]

I hope none of the sheep that adorn the Gore track were sacrificed!
I wish I could find meals like that for $13 in Vic

No-one would even notice a few missing!

Did you check the prices of the race day packages.......that's gallops prices!

When are you moving over to NZ!

[teecee]

Warnie was the human star of the show. He worked his **** in a promotional capacity all day and is acknowledged by the club for having brought in many many more than even the usual throngs of non regulars to make the day. It is recognised by adinistrators that his presence took the day back to earlier times when such celebrities were used to draw the crowds to the track...something not done in the past 15-20 years. So good on him!!!

[The Form Student]

Warnie was the human star of the show. He worked his **** in a promotional capacity all day and is acknowledged by the club for having brought in many many more than even the usual throngs of non regulars to make the day. It is recognised by adinistrators that his presence took the day back to earlier times when such celebrities were used to draw the crowds to the track...something not done in the past 15-20 years. So good on him!!!

Sounds like you 2 are "texting" buddies!

[teecee]

Check out the video of Race 2 at Gore last month - beautiful Gore with the sheep and the green grass, the sheep and the horses, the sheep and the track, sheep everywhere over there Tony
Anyway watch them enter the straight then read the Stewards Report - not even a warning issued and what sort of Protest is that Tony?
"JCA request payment of $475" from 2nd horse to last horse. Is JCA the Stewards? $475 would have been 3rd prizemoney so I am figuring they reckon the 2nd horse cost Guggy 3rd place. It says Request for a Ruling, so how do we find out if it was actually paid?


I think you have sussed out where you can find out the details of hearing transcripts but I will provide some background.


At the annual conference of clubs and kindred bodies back in August, a remit was put up to change the protest / relegation rules.
Previously the rules allowed for a horse to be relegated to a position behind another runner that it had interfered with. All the stewards had to prove was interference prevented a victim runner from finishing in a higher position. This meant the prospect of a winner losing a race due to interference at the start and this was the possible case in the Group 1 Sires Stakes 2yo Final back in April. Stewards protested (as they were required to do) against the winner for running out at barrier rise and knocking another runner out of the race. In this particular case the victim's own barrier manners contributed and reason prevailed.
This rule has now been changed and the onus is now on the victim connections (or stewards) to prove that the victim horse would have beaten the victor is NO interference had occurred.
As the rules do not allow for appeals against the JCA decisions on race incidents (driver penalties can only be appealed) some bright spark came up with this idea of compensating the victim if interference is deemed to have occurred but insufficient to change the placings.
The case you mention Kev is the first such ruling under the new rules.


I say "some bright spark" because IMO it wont last long. It's okay when it's a race at a little country track with relatively insignificant amounts. Can you imagine if e.g. Adore Me had interfered with some other unplaced runner in the Cup (they were never going to beat her but she did interfere) and had to pay that horses connections e.g. $20K. All hell would break loose. It will be interesting to see if it lasts past next year's conference!!!!

[The Form Student]

I hope none of the sheep that adorn the Gore track were sacrificed!
I wish I could find meals like that for $13 in Vic

Kev, even better news, with the NZ/OZ exchange rate.......it works out at only $11.70!

When are you moving over?

[The Form Student]

Teecee, I take your point...........it opens up a major "can of worms".........but in your example, "what if" Adore Me does cause the interference, don't you think those connections have a right to compensation?.......or is it just a racing incident?

Kev, is also right, for the Gore incident, a lot of man/woman hours for a $389 result......if they want this, it should be for a minimum amount of say $1,000 , and if they lose they pay the costs of the JCA!

[Messenger]

Kev, even better news, with the NZ/OZ exchange rate.......it works out at only $11.70!

When are you moving over?

Tony is doing up a room for me :)

[aussiebreno]

Tony is doing up a room for me :)
Looks nice as well.


http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/1/19154/753640-torture_chamber.jpg

[The Form Student]

As long as you can survive on roast lamb dinners, abalone, snapper, Steinlager & Savignon Blanc for the rest of your life, you will probably be OK!

[The Form Student]

Looking at your room, perhaps look for somewhere else to live!

[Messenger]

Looks nice as well.


http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/1/19154/753640-torture_chamber.jpg

We are working like Dean and Jerry
Of course I am playing the straight man as I am the better looking :)

[The Form Student]

I think Teecee saying his occupation is a blacksmith is stretching the truth!

[Messenger]

I found Tee Cee the other day
Any connection Tony?
Does Hack mean this gelding found a riding home?

[teecee]

i found tee cee the other day
any connection tony?
does hack mean this gelding found a riding home?


No and Yes

[teecee]

Looking at your room, perhaps look for somewhere else to live!


Don't you like it.!!!1
I have a motel where all the rooms are in that theme. Only difference is the colour of the walls.!!!!

[The Form Student]

Have you sent a photo of the place over to Kev.........He could be having 2nd thoughts!

http://fineartamerica.com/featured/old-motel-scott-moore.html

Once he settles in he will be OK, but the locals will know he's not from around here!

http://www.theinnovationdiaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/black-sheep.jpg

[Messenger]

Pretty accurate even the greying of the whiskers (glad my ears will blend in over there ;))

[The Form Student]

Teecee is getting your lunch ready!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608000037546164977&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

[Richard prior]

Rack of Lamb Yummo!! Bet it tastes better in NZ than what it does here in OZ these days, We are definitley getting mutton dressed up as lamb and have been for quite a while. Very ordinary.

[The Form Student]

Dinner looks even better! Kev will have a ball over there!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.607999346058463303&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

[Richard prior]

Dessert's not to shabby either lol.

[The Form Student]

Just got a picture in of Teecee working the BBQ!

http://www.waterviewproperties.com/property/newzealand/okiwibay/photo/okiwibay1.jpg

[The Form Student]

Dessert's not to shabby either lol.

Now Richard, I am a fan of your 1976 movie "Adios Amigo," but leave the jokes to me!

[Messenger]

Now Richard, I am a fan of your 1976 movie "Adios Amigo," but leave the jokes to me!

Richard's post was very attractive and yet tasteful

[The Form Student]

Kev, have you and Teecee just got back from your fishing trip? Who caught the fish?

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608012900970660519&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

[nowuseeme]

love all the comments you blokes give but those crays are you sure they are sized

[Richard prior]

They are Super sized!!!

[Messenger]

He is talking about the Crays Rich (I know I should not be typing this)

ps You had better delete this page TC

[Richard prior]

How's the view in #33 Kev???

[Messenger]

It is a cracking view Rich, I have always lived around mountains - throw in the water in that pic as well and you have 9½/10
Steve did his research well as it really is NZ. I reckon you could get it for around $.5M Au Rich

http://www.waterviewproperties.com/property/newzealand/okiwibaysale.html

Drawback - I do not think there is a trotting track on Great Barrier Island Aotea

[The Form Student]

It is a cracking view Rich, I have always lived around mountains - throw in the water in that pic as well and you have 9½/10
Steve did his research well as it really is NZ. I reckon you could get it for around $.5M Au Rich

http://www.waterviewproperties.com/property/newzealand/okiwibaysale.html

Drawback - I do not think there is a trotting track on Great Barrier Island Aotea

SOLD!! Thanks for your offer, Mr O'Donoghue...........we are also happy to throw in a wife, and 2 children!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.607999019636494215&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

[The Form Student]

Kev, have you and Teecee just got back from your fishing trip? Who caught the fish?

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608012900970660519&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

I do enjoy the NZ thread, and after looking at the above pic that Kev & Teecee provided of their recent lobstering trip.........I can't but wonder how you both fitted into that little boat????

[Messenger]

It was cuddly

[The Form Student]

I can picture it now!................Kev & Teecee in NZ.


http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+harness+racing&form=VIRE2&first=1#view=detail&mid=D797AB8C1158FC4A3623D797AB8C1158FC4A3623

[Messenger]

I would rather have Sammy Kilgour drive me around thanks

(I hope you are still onboard Sammy ;))

[The Form Student]

She sent you this picture!


https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-1/p160x160/1976935_10154753055870414_5684656067002361343_n.jp g?oh=c2a31e2f13850bf90ec3611a6b355329&oe=54DECAC4&__gda__=1423341766_67f805dd12d633df9d704f990cd4dd6 0

[teecee]

I would rather have Sammy Kilgour drive me around thanks

(I hope you are still onboard Sammy ;))
Having seen Sammy Kilgour 'i'''''ll let you away with that one...just this once

[Messenger]

Dare I say "some NZ bum is coming to live in Melton"

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=25015

NB the 'bum' part is purely a play on words

[teecee]

Don't panic. He's only coming for a working holiday (as he does each year) extended.

[Messenger]

Did you read it Tony? Sounds like this time, he is staying

[teecee]

Yep I read it.
Different story to what I read and hear here.
Am I surprised by this...No.


Some person was telling a similar but different story on In The Gig a while back.

[Messenger]

Anthony Butt would not seem to be the choice of some of Brent Lilley's owners with Chris Alford driving a double (Messini and Rebel Diamond) for the stable last night at Cranbourne while Anthony had to make do with a second for the stable on Pretty Sunday and a third for Alan Dunsmuir on Broadband from his only 2 drives

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=CR061214&ms=vic

You may be right TC - he may not choose to make it a permanent stay if that keeps up

[Messenger]

Big meeting at Auckland this arvo our time. Tune in from 3.25 Melbourne time

[Messenger]

TC am I right in thinking that Dalton Bromac smashed the Alexandra Park open 2200m Tk Rec in the first tonight 2.36.1 compared to 2.38.2
http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/121902rs.htm#Race1
http://www.alexandrapark.co.nz/racing/subsite.aspx?ref=racing-track-records&url=Open Pacers

[Richard prior]

TC am I right in thinking that Dalton Bromac smashed the Alexandra Park open 2200m Tk Rec in the first tonight 2.36.1 compared to 2.38.2
http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/121902rs.htm#Race1
http://www.alexandrapark.co.nz/racing/subsite.aspx?ref=racing-track-records&url=Open Pacers
Kev, #11 in the 2015 Inter dominion thread lol.

[teecee]

yes kev.. u are right to believe that except it is a nz national record. And didn't he do it well. 2200 metres Mile rating 1:54.2
The most exciting prospect in all the land.

[Messenger]

and although he should be an Inter longshot at just 4yo he is still overs at 300/1

[brent_L]

and although he should be an Inter longshot at just 4yo he is still overs at 300/1
Lovely type. Surely he is 10s on to go to the Chariots though, making the 300s about right?

[teecee]

Lovely type. Surely he is 10s on to go to the Chariots though, making the 300s about right?


Yes Brent you are right.
His next start is at Cambridge Xmas Eve in $50K Futurity which carries auto invite to The Chariots. Book your tickets now!!!!!


PS...
Dexter drove him last night cos Ricky's initial flight and then his replacement were BOTH cancelled.
Dexter said he had not driven such a talented horse since Christen Me was working his way through the grades. He is still "green as grass" with heaps to learn about the racing game. So boy it will be exciting when he does fully grasp the concept.


Interesting that he was bought off the Butchers as was Smoken Up.
I wonder if lightning can strike twice.
In 12 months I may be able to say "So far so good" eh??

[Messenger]

NOW YOU TELL ME he is not contesting the Inter. ;)
1001/1 is unders

[Messenger]

A Gp 1 day at Auckland today with the first of the big ones at 12.37 our time

[Messenger]

The 'magic man' Maurice Mckendry on The Orange Agent had every Tom, Dick and Harry push out under him

[Messenger]

The well named filly Democrat Party took 1.5 sec off the NZ 3yo Rec for 2200m when winning the Alabar Sire's Stakes final (not sure what she took off the MR as NZ records listed by race time)

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/123102rs.htm#Race5

I think the royally bred Have Faith In Me broke the 3yo C&G's Rec for 2200m when winning the PGG final (which despite the $200k on offer is only a Listed race) but will have to await results

ps HRNZ are pretty slow at getting the results up - it is an hr since start time for that race and the results are still not up

Finally Up - HFIM took about a sec of the C&G Rec but this is still .5 sec slower than DP's new Fillies Rec

[teecee]

[QUOTE=Messenger;39468]The well named filly Democrat Party took 1.5 sec off the NZ 3yo Rec for 2200m when winning the Alabar Sire's Stakes final (not sure what she took off the MR as NZ records listed by race time)


You are correct that national records are recorded against gross race time. Mile rates as mathematical equations do not constitute records and in fact are of no value as such. Such records are set in mile races. If it was important to you, you could simply calculate the mile rate against the previous record time.

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/123102rs.htm#Race5

I think the royally bred Have Faith In Me broke the 3yo C&G's Rec for 2200m when winning the PGG final (which despite the $200k on offer is only a Listed race)
but will have to await results.


It is a listed race despite its stake due to the fact it is not open to all comers but only to those sold at the PGG yearling sales. Along with this all the sales races as closed entry do not count toward stakes earnings for the respective JEWELS races.

[teecee]

The 'magic man' Maurice Mckendry on The Orange Agent had every Tom, Dick and Harry push out under him


Your point is ????

[Richard prior]

[QUOTE=Messenger;39468]The well named filly Democrat Party took 1.5 sec off the NZ 3yo Rec for 2200m when winning the Alabar Sire's Stakes final (not sure what she took off the MR as NZ records listed by race time)
Democrat Party is from a terrific family Kev, They are just Jumping out of the ground, Over here recently we've seen Party Boy and Guiliana Rancic showing a lot of promise and in NZ The Boys GNP won its very first start recently in 1.57.9 over 2400m at Ashburton. Full marks must go to Zac Butcher for a fantastic drive to put the filly right in the race. Maurie Mc had a hell of a time being pushed around on The Orange Agent and then she run off on the corner and ruined any hope of winning.

[Messenger]

[QUOTE=Messenger;39468]The well named filly Democrat Party took 1.5 sec off the NZ 3yo Rec for 2200m when winning the Alabar Sire's Stakes final (not sure what she took off the MR as NZ records listed by race time)


You are correct that national records are recorded against gross race time. Mile rates as mathematical equations do not constitute records and in fact are of no value as such. Such records are set in mile races. If it was important to you, you could simply calculate the mile rate against the previous record time.

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/123102rs.htm#Race5

I think the royally bred Have Faith In Me broke the 3yo C&G's Rec for 2200m when winning the PGG final (which despite the $200k on offer is only a Listed race)
but will have to await results.


It is a listed race despite its stake due to the fact it is not open to all comers but only to those sold at the PGG yearling sales. Along with this all the sales races as closed entry do not count toward stakes earnings for the respective JEWELS races.


We must be funny over here Tony because we like to compare runs and love someone else to do the work for us ;)
It makes it easy to tell how much faster the 1800m record is than say the 2150m record etc


Your point is ????
The magic was missing :eek:

ps You sound :mad: today Tony

[teecee]

o sorry thought I was being helpful. blood sugar must be crap. maybe 2015 will be better. I hope so. it's nearly here.
btw... what happened to 2014. one moment it's coming...now it's gone.


have a goodun all

[G-Mac]

Anyone know if there is an issue with Katy Perry? Looks a shadow of the filly that was here in August.

[teecee]

Anyone know if there is an issue with Katy Perry? Looks a shadow of the filly that was here in August.


Race 5 last comment....
http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/stipes/racedayreport/2014/stipes_rpt_20141231_002.htm


Nothing from the stable yet.

[G-Mac]

Hmmmm

Thanks TC

[Richard prior]

Race 5 last comment....
http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/stipes/racedayreport/2014/stipes_rpt_20141231_002.htm
Interesting about The Orange Agent and Zac Butcher on Democrat Party, Noticed that TOA got a shove and I guess that Zac can thank his luckys stars that TOA's connections didn't pursue the matter.

[teecee]

Interesting about The Orange Agent and Zac Butcher on Democrat Party, Noticed that TOA got a shove and I guess that Zac can thank his luckys stars that TOA's connections didn't pursue the matter..


they wouldn't have gotten anywhere except make a donation to the industry via their protest deposit. TOA had not been racing truly before nor after and finished too far back from the winner. Nowadays you have to prove that any interference was sufficient to prevent your horse beating the offender. breaching the pushout rule can only occur before the last 1000 metres so the "victim" has a full 1000 metres to make up the leeway if it's good enuff. Driver penalties happen for breaches as with Zac copping $350.00 but place changes is really stretching it.

[Richard prior]

Totally agree Tony, I thought it was a good drive by Zac and The Orange Agent did race erratically and she finished a long way from the winner(12.1m) So IMHO, Any form of protest would have been frivolous.

[Messenger]

Maybe I was a bit hard on the Magic Man do you think Tony
(Every time I hear him go around I hear those descriptors which may have had something to do with my little dig - should really be having a dig at the caller although I do understand he is just trying to add a little excitement)

[teecee]

Maybe I was a bit hard on the Magic Man do you think Tony
(Every time I hear him go around I hear those descriptors which may have had something to do with my little dig - should really be having a dig at the caller although I do understand he is just trying to add a little excitement)


Well for a guy who has driven 2000 more winners than I, everyone over here knows him as that just as Mr Herlihy is the Iceman and of course you know THE PUPPET. He may have been having an off day. TOA certainly wasn't helping. Big day, competitive racing .

[Messenger]

A nice enough type by the name of Follow The Stars is resuming at 5.22 AEDT
while the big race is on at 7.16
(Beats staying up until after midnight for the Freo Cup as far as this pumpkin is concerned :D)

[Messenger]

The Star just won but no wonder as they took 2sec of tk rec

[Messenger]

It looked like it must have been a special meet at Richmond Park TC

[Messenger]

Adore Me sat parked for the Flying Mile and broke the Tk Rec

[teecee]

It looked like it must have been a special meet at Richmond Park TC


How so????

[Richard prior]

Adore Me went super again, 1.51.6, Last 1/2 55 Flat sitting outside the leader. What size is the Waikato track please Tony???

[brent_L]

You'd suspect it's a km Rich......Aaron White said 'with a thousand to go' right at the post with one to go.

[teecee]

that's right exactly.
http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/infohorsewahr/wtr02x?Arg=hrnzg-TrackNumber&Arg=9





Previous NZ record for a mare 1:52.1
All comers record 1:50.6 (Border Control @ Ashburton Jewels (1500 metres Track)


Heading your way with Follow the Stars Tuesday.

[Richard prior]

Thanks Brent and Tony, I was just keeping my eye on the horses with the volume turned down, It looked like she was struggling coming to the corner but she was just playing with (The)Gold Ace.

[Messenger]

How so????

Only saw vision of one race but there were lots of Marquees on the inside of the track along the home str

[teecee]

Only saw vision of one race but there were lots of Marquees on the inside of the track along the home str


It's something you see a lot of around the country in Dec and Jan.
Dec has Xmas at the Races which caters for people and work places to have staff Xmas parties and family picnics.
Jan is labelled Summer racing festival.
They are promo programmes run by Racing Board (TAB) to attract new people to the races on track. Heaps of sidelight attractions for families and kids. In fact the racing tends to become the sidelight to the main event of entertainment throughout the day.
The idea is to attract new (younger and families) to the track to experience racing. It's in the holidays season when racing is around the holiday hotspots so is very popular for what it is but the flow on effect is questionable. (Not really well researched) and turnovers are not increased proportionately to the vastly increased crowds on track at these meetings. Some say it's a good idea but if you're a regular it can be annoying to say the least. I know of numerous regular racegoers who have been put off going on these days and personally I have had two uncomfortable experiences which have led me to boycott such days as both a spectator / punter and owner / trainer.

[teecee]

I don't know if anyone caught the Kumara Gallops meeting yesterday if it was or not shown on Sky. It's one of those icon meetings where everyone who wants to be anyone goes if you are within 2-3 hours of the track. They always get huge crowds. Very much reminds me of Oakbank races in SA. (without the jumps)
yesterday's meeting included a "Fashions in the Field" competition for men and ladies. Prizes in the ladies category were the normal fashion type prizes but in true keeping with the "bush" community, the men's prize was, according to commentator Mark McNamara, $500 hunting and shooting equipment. No doubt one of the largest entry numbers for a male FinF comp.

[Messenger]

I don't know if anyone caught the Kumara Gallops meeting yesterday if it was or not shown on Sky. It's one of those icon meetings where everyone who wants to be anyone goes if you are within 2-3 hours of the track. They always get huge crowds. Very much reminds me of Oakbank races in SA. (without the jumps)
yesterday's meeting included a "Fashions in the Field" competition for men and ladies. Prizes in the ladies category were the normal fashion type prizes but in true keeping with the "bush" community, the men's prize was, according to commentator Mark McNamara, $500 hunting and shooting equipment. No doubt one of the largest entry numbers for a male FinF comp.

and the winner was

[Messenger]

Lovely type. Surely he is 10s on to go to the Chariots though, making the 300s about right?

Sadly not

http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Aussie-trip-off-for-rising-star.

[brent_L]

I get 'page not found' Kev.....I imagine he has gone amiss has he??

[Richard prior]

Go to the NZ Harness Racing section Brent and then click on NZ News at least he top and the article is Aussie Trip Off For Rising Star.

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/New-Zealand/Aussie-trip-off-for-rising-star.

It is 4th picture story on NZ news page if that fails

Trainer sounds very astute and not happy with horse despite him winning trial

[brent_L]

That's a bit of a shame. Connections of Yankee Rockstar, Bling It On etc won't mind though I wouldn't think.

[Messenger]

TC, harness still seems to be an integral part of NZ's sporting fabric. In various threads the distance of Menangle and Melton from city centres raises its head - can you imagine what effect moving your Auckland and Christchurch tracks would have on the industry over there? It may not be a fair comparison as I suspect harness is/has always been stronger in NZ. I am interested in your opinion.

[Messenger]

I am tuned into Sky2 for tonights big Auckland meet but it feels more like a music station as I am hearing more music than anything else, esp. when they cross to an interview WTF

[Richard prior]

What time is the Cup on Kev???

[Messenger]

7.26

[Messenger]

It may be a while before Michael G dismisses a horse on its warm up again

[teecee]

Adore Me has undergone vet exam post race.
Is mildly sore in behind though not considered serious.

[Richard prior]

Noticed that she put in a couple of funny ones just before the corner, Fantastic race. I heard that Christen Me was in a bad way over here before heading home but he's in fine fettle. Glad Adore Me is okay, Always a worry when you see a great horse put a couple of crooks steps in.

[teecee]

http://www.hrnz.co.nz/news-and-events/latest-news/2892-auckland-cup-night-live-blog

[teecee]

JUST ANNOUNCED...
Adore Me has been retired from racing.
After cooling down further vet examinations subsequent to Friday's Auckland Cup have revealed a fractured sesamoid bone..!!!!

[Messenger]

For those interested in a little horse anatomy

http://www.thehorse.com/articles/34741/sesamoid-injuries

She should be a great broodmare

[Richard prior]

Very sad indeed, Now she moves onto the breeding barn once the Sesamoid has healed and for me this is very interesting, Tony has let me know his thoughts on Stallion choice but I would like to hear other people's views as well, No doubt what so ever that she will be a fine broodmare and will be given every possible opportunity by her owners.

[Maorisidol]

JUST ANNOUNCED...
Adore Me has been retired from racing.
After cooling down further vet examinations subsequent to Friday's Auckland Cup have revealed a fractured sesamoid bone..!!!!

Very unfortunate, but what a way to go out in her Menangle win, amazing!
Happy days in the paddock and having some kids!
Was an honour to be at Menangle on ID day to witness that performance...

[Messenger]

One of those little islands that TC lives on has a BIG day today. It is actually half over as they are early birds over there but the for the BIG ones (R.8 & 10) tune in at 1.24 and 2.40 AEST

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/fields/050932fd.htm

edit: Is our TAB covering the main race, I see no R10 listed :eek:

[Messenger]

Unbelievable - Sky 2 has a 17min lead into Sha Tin - how easily could the $200k PGG Wrightson have been telecast!

[Messenger]

The Orange Agent in a Record 1.54 for the 3yoF
The AllStars had the first 4 faves in the PGG and Lazarus proved the market right

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/050932rs.htm

[Messenger]

Unbelievable - Sky 2 has a 17min lead into Sha Tin - how easily could the $200k PGG Wrightson have been telecast!

Have you an opinion on this TC?

[teecee]

It's consistent with the continual breaches of the agreements between NZ and Australian TAB's and racing industry organisations.
I guess I should be happy to see on this side of the ditch as much or more Australian racing than I care for but with your example above and the total lack of i.e.nil coverage and betting opportunities on what is Addington's 3rd biggest meeting of the year Easter Saturday. I'm glad the aforementioned agreements are up for renegotiation this year and NZ is keen to right some of these wrongs. After all our TAB pools are intermingled into TABCORP pools so when they do things like this punters, industry participants and the whole industry miss out from prizemoney, turnover and the opportunity to bet and collect.

[Messenger]

Does NZ have a list of stallions anywhere?
For Aust we have
http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/studs/INDEX2.HTM
For NZ I can only find
http://issuu.com/nzsba/docs/2014-15_siresregister
which will cost me $25 to download
Not that I want the full register but the same thing cost $0 for Aust stallions

[Messenger]

John Curtin of JC International, the man who brings you Harnesslink has some interesting things to say in the latest Insider Access which you can have emailed to you free - the very first tab at the top of any Harnesslink News page is how to subscribe

He is critical of the levy on all imported horses from New Zealand:

The reality was it didn't do anything for the Australian breeder with no great increase in breeding numbers and it has devastated the market for low priced horses being imported into Australia from New Zealand

Later in his criticism of the HRNZ Board he however praises the board of HRNSW including

In an effort to promote the local breed, Harness Racing New South Wales have set up the Colonial Bred Stallion scheme.
Under this scheme, any mare that produces a live foal to a colonial stallion is eligible for a $500 payment from Harness Racing New South Wales.


You would think that while the levy is having the effect of reducing racing numbers the Colonial scheme is looking to addressing the problem

The biggest thing I gained from this issue of Insider Access (which I must remember to always read from now on) was this link

http://www.harnesslink.com/New-Zealand/Downward-spiral-continues

This sad summary of harness racing in NZ written a couple of months ago is something everyone needs to read

[Richard prior]

Some very strong and correct words of wisdom from JC, Those salaries are staggering, NZ certainly has quite a few people sitting on big fat pay cheques who are underachieving, HRNZ are not alone in this department but they certainly need people involved that have a bit of business acumen and people who have experience in the game at the grassroots level and who are willing to listen to the masses and implement some of the better ideas.