Australian Premier Trotting Sale

[squaregaiter]

Can anyone tell me where I can find the RESULTS of this sale held last Sunday please ????
if there were any passed in, and you would like to follow up, seems to me 3 days later leaves a lot to be desired for all parties concerned.

[Toohard]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=25977

or

http://www.austrottingsale.com.au/apts/index.cfm/sale-results/2015-sale-results/

[Messenger]

What a load of spin that 'Increased Interest ...' heading is
Should have been 'Prices down 20%'
With all the emphasis on trotting it would seem to be a poor result

[Bonnie]

What a load of spin that 'Increased Interest ...' heading is
Should have been 'Prices down 20%'
With all the emphasis on trotting it would seem to be a poor result

Totally agree . With all the money that HRV are spending on the promotion and increased racing for trotters I think this result is extremely poor. The average price was down 20% and the APG Melbourne Sale ( pacers only ) saw an increase of 23% which further widens the gap between the two. IMO HRV are responsible for racing and should not be involved in the administration and promotion of a trotting sale. We already have the failed ' Ridgehead Kahore ' importation at a cost of $100,000 and a monte rider at a reputed $50,000 ! Obviously the Sales Companies do not think it is a viable concern and I would question who at HRV made this decision.

[djgood]

A few bargains there , good for buyers ,poor for breeders dissapointing but it's still in it's infancy

[codywinnell]

What a load of spin that 'Increased Interest ...' heading is
Should have been 'Prices down 20%'
With all the emphasis on trotting it would seem to be a poor result

Kevin, there were more registered bidders at the sale than in the past by 20 per cent. Fact. As mentioned the sale average was down. I know "spin" is the latest buzzword and all - and as a former newspaper editor of 10 years I've seen my fair share of it - but surely reporting figures as they are cannot be classed as "spin".

[squaregaiter]

Last year I purchase a colt from the sale and personally I support the sale 100%, however this year I couldn't make it and I got the book way to late ( 2 days prior to the sale) but there was obviously some real bargains this year. In regard to figures it simply is not good, having said that you may expect a "downturn in a venture like this in the "3rd year" and one can hope that with the graduates not all making it as 2yos then those going onto being 3 yo's there hopefully will be bragging rights for next years sale, keeping in mind the NSW ready to run were in dire straights not all that long ago, so it is not restricted to this sale however unfortunately the FACTS are as follows
2013 - 40 Entries, 5 Withdrawal giving 35 through the ring, 26 SOLD -5 passed in
2014 - 44 Entries, 8 Withdrawal giving 36 through the ring, 32 SOLD -4 passed in
2015 - 46 Entries, 5 Withdrawal giving 41 through the ring, 35 SOLD -6 passed in


Last year (2014) there were 11 lots that fetched beyond 20k and this year there were only 8
The problem as I see it, there was a large draft that while it built the numbers "up" it also comprised 33% of the actual sale and yet the draft only averaged 8.5k, that in turn will bring the over all sale down, as only one was over the 20k ( although there was one other at18k) so it is a case of erosions over all ( last year the draft had only 9 in and average of 10k)

[Messenger]

Kevin, there were more registered bidders at the sale than in the past by 20 per cent. Fact. As mentioned the sale average was down. I know "spin" is the latest buzzword and all - and as a former newspaper editor of 10 years I've seen my fair share of it - but surely reporting figures as they are cannot be classed as "spin".

It was spin Cody due to the very selective title. If the title had been 'Increased Interest in APT Sale but prices down 20%' then it is factual

[codywinnell]

It was spin Cody due to the very selective title. If the title had been 'Increased Interest in APT Sale but prices down 20%' then it is factual

Refer to paragraph two of article, which states: "While the overall average sale price was down on previous years, $12,941 on Sunday compared to $16,359 last year, APTS promoters said this was in part due to only 40 lots passing through the ring."

Doesn't get much more candid than that IMHO.

[Messenger]

It is all about the heading Cody, IMO the more factual heading would have been 'Prices down 20%' but that is a bit negative. As for that quote - that was their spin - in its 3 yrs the sale has had 35, 36, 40 lots. We will have to agree to disagree - I do appreciate why you were trying to put a positive **** on it. :)

[codywinnell]

It is all about the heading Cody, IMO the more factual heading would have been 'Prices down 20%' but that is a bit negative. As for that quote - that was their spin - in its 3 yrs the sale has had 35, 36, 40 lots. We will have to agree to disagree - I do appreciate why you were trying to put a positive **** on it. :)

Yes, let's agree to disagree on this one.

With 40 lots, the sale average will jump around a fair bit if you're unlucky - and you can't control lots being withdrawn, some well-represented sires maybe not faring as well in purchasers' eyes than first expected, and numerous other factors. But quite seriously it was good to see more interested bidders than usual IMHO. And having spoken to a few of the buyers, they're very excited about their purchases.

I reckon a couple of really interesting ones to follow will be lot 35 (Bacardi Lindy/Strapon filly) for $22,000 and lot 15 (Sundon/La Tonneralla colt) for $15,000.

[Adaptor]

The real issue might be that the average for the Skyvalley yearlings was down.compared to pervious crops.
He had 11 in the catalogue ( as did Bacardi Lindy). THose two between them had nearly half the entries, so if their prices were off the mark, the average would be lower.

The Bacardi Lindy- Strapon filly has come to Bendigo, and is being mouthed and educated by a very excited owner-trainer.

[squaregaiter]

Just to be totally accurate in these figures Bacardi Lindy did have 11 lots in with one withdrawn, leaving 10 to go through, 3 were passed in and 7 were sold for a average of $9600.
To paint the picture even further there was in 2014 sales 18 stallions represented and this year 17
also worth noting that the very first of the 2yo races held at Bendigo on the 6th March was won by a 2014 sale entrant (lot 6, 18k so they have half there money back already and was one of only 2 Bacardi Lindy's that were sold at the sale) unfortunately with the depleted field tomorrow none are 2014 graduates

[codywinnell]

I don't have the stats in front of me right now, but the success of the APTS to date in terms of buyers finding winners has been very good. Endsino is the obvious headline, but also Livin The Life springs to mind for Michael Hughes, Aldebaran Midnite, Hush Your Majesty, Shared Interest, Gus An Maori for Caleb Lewis, Meadow Valley Road, as mentioned above Cruisin Around - who looks to be loaded with talent, Naked Majesty, Agent Maori. So plenty of nice types and as the sale is still very much in its infancy these have to be good signs.

[Adaptor]

Might be useful to look at the first crops of both Skyvalley and Bacardi Lindy to see what influences prospective buyers:

Bacardi Lindy's 2009 crop : http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/foal_details.cfm?horse_ID=571326&season_id=408

Skyvalley's 2011 crop: http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/foal_details.cfm?horse_ID=547305&season_id=422