Bloodlines of the Greats - which have survived

[Messenger]

We will start at the very beginning

Aachen 1952 (cunningly named to be first sire in the Stud Book)

Once holder of the unbeaten winning sequence for ANZ with 20
Sadly his son Bylaw was the end of his sire Springfield Globe's male line
(maybe someone can tell us if grandsire Globe Derby's line is surviving anywhere)

His dam line continues to be significant

His dam Connenora's line is still going strong especially through Sarah Sands - Sandy Wave ......

His 2nd dam Millie De Oro is:
the 5th dam of Surfing Safari 1992 (dual derby winner)
the 8th dam of champion QLD mare Forever Gold 2007 so I am condident that this arm of N4 will stay strong

Here is the link to the wonderful ClassicFamilies - just click on any horse in his pedigree and dont forget to use the Descendants tab

http://classicfamilies.net/horsedetails.aspx?HorseID=10000006

[Hermione]

Interesting topic :)

[lasse]

the last stallion from the Globe Derby line to stand at stud was Magic Rule NZ.Now deceased .Last foals born 2013.Had 7 starters for 3 winners.

[Messenger]

Thanks Lasse, here is the link to Magic Rule folks

http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=HorseSearch&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=TRUE&Arg=hrnzg-HorseName&Arg=Magic+Rule

[Messenger]

You are talking about the cream Justin but 'great Australian maternal lines' is not exactly what I was aiming for in this thread.
I am aiming at a 'nostalgia trip' and looking at some our great horses and seeing if their families still have descendants going around

[Messenger]

Rightio this one is for Noel

Adaptor 1963

The winner of the 1969 Miracle Mile, he was sold 3 days later to the US for a record $120k plus contingencies for $75k

He retired to stud in America but according to ClassicFamilies he had little success and nothing that continues to the present day

http://classicfamilies.net/HorseDetails.aspx?HorseID=10000117

His dam Mirthful Lass and her line of A480 also pretty much finished with Adaptor

If however you believe my old favourite 'Ian Daff's Black Book' you would have Adaptor in Ian's family 22 (Lutie Rodgers U304)
If this was so and Adaptor's 4th dam was Jewell Nest (and not Chestnut Vale) then the line is still going strong through Wingara (2011) winner of 13/18

The HRA database does not go back to Adaptor's 4th dam
Ian Daff did it all pre computer so I think we will defer to ClassicFamilies

BUT we will let Noel (Adaptor) have the last say :)

[BRad]

Kev

My dad was a very ardent trots man before he passed away and till the day he died he hated how everyone flocks to the usa/canadanian stallions and to a lesser extent the kiwis. Adaptor was my dads fave horse he used to tell me when he came from the bush to the big smoke how good his miracle mile win was at HP as he lived in a boarding house right near HP

[Messenger]

Don't Retreat (and half bro Alecane who was a prolific winner and why I have momentarily leapfrogged to the D's)

1976 Australian Harness Horse of the Yr

Being from the premier N1 Family you would think the continuation of his bloodlines would be assured but the succession of his arm of the family is not totally secure
Don't Retreat failed as a sire and although the descendants list for his dam Tui Scott looks lengthy, there are not many $100k winners

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/Descendants.aspx?HorseID=10020450

About To Rock 2006 Hunter Cup winner has Tui Scott as his 5th dam but he is a gelding, however there seems to be enough filly performers from Seabreeze Franco (with Tui Scott as their 5th dam) to think they will keep the arm alive and possibly reignite it

http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=MAREPROGENY&Arg=hrnzg-HorseId&Arg=126575&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=TRUE

Shake It Mama 2012 Australian Oaks winner or Lady Octavia 2008 Tassie Oaks winner may be ones to breed on and they have Don't Retreat's 2nd dam Betty Wrack as their 7th dam

[Adaptor]

Adaptor was a star.
Check out the Bendigo Harness Racing Club Website to see the 1969 ABC film of the Miracle Mile and more:

http://www.bhrc.com.au/harness-heroes.html

Hi dam, Mirthful Lass was no slouch, winning in 2:10.8 which was very quick for the 1950's.
Dons Ayr, the sire of Mirthful Lass was a star 2yo winning the 1948 NSW Sapling stakes.and raced on to win a cup in 1952 at Miners Rest (Ballarat)

Adaptor belongs to Classic Family A480, Fanny Denver, not the family of Jewel Nest.

http://www.classicfamilies.net/HorseDetails.aspx?HorseID=10000117

His half brother Aransas by Welcome Stranger was a good horse for Echuca trainerTunny Buckley .
Mirthful Lass had 3 daughters which were bred from, none of which had named foals.

Adaptor stood at stud in the US, but I can only find
Maternal Line Descendants for Adaptor (1963)
Pink Pearl 1974 (F U19) by Adaptor - Pacer $0 [1]
dam of Corsage 1980 (F U19) by Escort - Pacer $112 [1]
dam of Lingan Hook 1986 (M U19) by Sly Bird - 1:58.2US $87,914

But the family of Adaptor in Aus and his progeny in the US do not appear to have bred on.

[Adaptor]

The families of neither of these champions seem to have bred on.

Evicus: First Interdominion Champion. Classic Family A720 Milky Way (Sired by the great Bendigo sire Directway).

Captain Sandy: First dual Interdominion winner. A231 Rosebud .
The Captain was bred in NZ but the family was Australian in origin.

[Messenger]

Good stuff Noel.
Small typo on Milky Way family - it is 702 and as you said finished with 90's performer Little Rufus
Captain Sandy's Rosebud family brings up nothing in NZ either

[Adaptor]

Great Bloodlines
Looking through the early Interdominion winners pedigrees, we find that Dans Son, the 1937 Interdominion winner for Ben Coram, has a direct descendent in the trotter Sparkling Success, winner of the recent Empire VicBred 4yo trot for trainer John Meade and driver Gavin Lang.
Sparkling Success is a direct descendent of Lady Edna, the dam of Dans Son, family of Fair Nell A13

Thanks to the team at Classic Families including John Peck, we can see:
http://www.classicfamilies.net/HorseDetails.aspx?HorseID=10025975

There are 9 mares between Lady Edna and Diamond Insitu the dam of Sparkling Suess, and 108 years since Lady Edna was foaled in 1908.

The family also produced Interdom pacing winner Bold David and Interdom trotting consolation winners Downsouth Clare and Game Ebony.


Lady Edna herself was a great racehorse:
http://www.classicfamilies.net/CF/History.aspx?HorseID=10010288

[Messenger]

Angelique 1958 (back to the A's)
3rd in the very first 1967 Miracle Mile and the only starter whose owners refused the offers for their horse to go overseas.
She won the 1962 Vic Oaks and ran second to Minuteman in the 1964 Interdominion

Avian Again x Worthy Staveley

Worthy Stavely is a strong arm of N1 family

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/Descendants.aspx?HorseID=10021669

Angelique produced the top performer Gallagher (Ballarat, Bendigo and Cranbourne Cups + more)
Her full sister Alexandra produced the excellent trotter Amazon
while her half sister Madelaine produced Vic Derby winner Rhett

I am glad to report that Angelique lives on
She is the 4th dam to Heirloom Angel 2012
who has only had 2 starts as a 2yo last season for a win and a third

She has not been sighted this season as a 3yo but she is bred and owned by the Rothackers so if anyone knows where she is at - please post and let us know. I don't remember it at the time but Harnesslink did a story on Heirloom Angel after her win last year

http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Rothacker-colours-salute-at-Shepparton?highlight=heirloom%20angel

There were numerous other leads I researched for this arm of N1 (including in the US) but the only other ones I found that are still going around are

Sheezawingate who went around at Horsham last week and has Worthy Staveley as her 6th dam
Im Over Nova who has 3 young foals yet to race and has Worthy Staveley as her 6th dam

These three young mares hold the future of the Worthy Staveley/Angelique line

[Messenger]

Arapaho 1967

Amongst his many victories Arapaho won both the Gp1 Auckland Cup and Gp1 NZ Cup in 1973

Bachelor Hanover x Dusky Bay

Dusky Bay only produced 4 foals and her line soon died out
The line of Arapaho's 2nd dam University has completely died out too

Arapaho's 3rd dam Adverse and Jacks Queen - the 4th dam of 1986 Aus 2yo of the Yr Paavo are full sisters, both being from Mustapha by Jack Potts

2001 WA Oaks winner Miss Electra also shares Mustapha with Arapaho as her 5th dam is also Jacks Queen

If we go back 100yrs to the origins of family N75 we see that Arapaho's 4th dam and the 6th dam of 1993 Interdominion winner Jack Morris are half sisters

HRA research suggests the recent Miss Electra's line of this family is falling away so it would seem that not only has the Arapaho line not bred on but the whole of family N75 is grinding to a halt

Even good trotting broodmare Bunty's Daughter pretty much produced nothing but colts

In fact I think 6yo mare Koten Blosem Lombo who was still racing in May, along with a sister of Miss Electra are possibly the only lifelines for the family N75

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/Descendants.aspx?HorseID=10013755

[Messenger]

Bay Foyle 1966 (going back no earlier than the 60's - hoping some may have heard of them)

Winner of the 1971 NZ FFA and the 1972 Miracle Mile

Goose Bay x Glen Foyle

Bay Foyle did sire a few and through his daughter Flying Bay you can find his name in the bottom half of the pedigrees of good trotters Africa, Daenerys Targaryen, Pocaro, Missandei and Springbank Sam

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/Descendants.aspx?HorseID=10001411

His dam Glen Foyle's arm of N7 is not a strong one but it is just hanging in there through the mare
Quick Shot 2002 who won 6 of 121 starts in QLD and has had 3 foals this decade. Glen Foyle is the 5th dam of Quick Shot

[Messenger]

Danno's favourite

Bold Biami 1968

Amongst his numerous wins (esp as a juvenile) we have a QLD and a NSW derby

Stormyway x Brown Lulu

Basically Bold Biami was a one off freak for the family A295 (the only other performer at all is Take A Punt 1982 who won a couple of nice 3yo races)

Sadly Danno this family has been and gone

[Messenger]

Bold David 1963

Winner of the 1970 Inter-Dominion. Although he thrived in the longer races he also ran 2nd behind Lucky Creed in that years Miracle Mile just a few weeks later

Bold Brigade x Girl David

I will keep this one short - his line quickly died out but Little Edna, a half sister of his 3rd dam, has kept family A13 alive with its Trotters

Most of the trotters listed here descend to Little Edna

http://classicfamilies.net/cf/FamilyWinners.aspx?FamilyNumber=a13

[Messenger]

Bon Adios 1961

Vic Derby and Hunter Cup winner plus a 3rd in the 1970 Inter behind Bold David

Golden Adios x Bonny Frisco

As a sire he produced foals over 18 season (1 while he was still racing) with his largest crop numbering 47
Copper Satin a twice Gp1 winner would have to be his best
A couple of his sons sired a few but none proved successful

His dam had only one other foal and although his half sister was given ample opportunity to continue the line she produced 10 colts in row - none of whom amounted to anything
His 2nd dam had only one other filly Toy Rose and her line has survived in Tasmania with Karalata Crown being one of its successes

Bon Adios's family N44 is notable especially for champion Broodmares
One I would like to highlight is Pat Hanover NZ 1972
Her foals include
Vicky Hanover - Australian Broodmare of the Year
Miss Clevedon - NZ Broodmare of the Year
Miss Ardmore - NZ GN Oaks winner
Miss Burnside - 2nd dam of Carpenters Daughter

[Messenger]

Cardigan Bay 1962

The immortal who won absolutely everything, see link

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/History.aspx?HorseID=10002666&SE=TimeAmountClass&AD=ASC

Hal Tryax x Colwyn Bay

To see if Cardigan Bay's line has bred on, I decided to begin with his 2nd dam Pleasure Bay and I went to HRA and began clicking on all her fillies and their fillies .....
This line is so prolific and with so many, many fillies I started to think every horse descended from Pleasure Bay!
Tiring of opening hundreds of progeny pages and facing many more I decided to instead go to family N18 on ClassicFamilies and work backwards ie check the Tail Lines for all the stars listed for this family
It turns out that EVERY performer in family N18 does descend from Pleasure Bay and so Cardigan Bay's line has certainly bred on. Check out the following link

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/FamilyWinners.aspx?FamilyNumber=n18

You will see recent performers Spanish Armada, Franco Nelson, Chancellor Cullen, Glenferrie Hood, Cheer The Lady, .........

[Messenger]

Dainty's Daugher 1963

A great mare who was inducted into WA's Hall of Fame in 2010, see link for her listed racing performances

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/History.aspx?HorseID=10004422

Dainty's Devil was the best of her own progeny winning 18 of 90 starts
But it is her first born Double Dainty who produced Double Wipe (the excellent Victorian 3yo) and it is this arm that still sees the line to the fore at Gloucester Park through La Mia Juliette 2011 (Dainty's Daughter is her 4th dam)
LMJ won the Gp1 WA Sales Classic for 2yo fillies in 2014 and last won at GP just a couple of months ago

They all belong to U309 and Dainty's Daughter's 2nd dam is the 5th dam of our Katie's (KTQ) Three Bears

[KTQ]

Dainty's Daugher 1963

A great mare who was inducted into WA's Hall of Fame in 2010, see link for her listed racing performances

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/History.aspx?HorseID=10004422

Dainty's Devil was the best of her own progeny winning 18 of 90 starts
But it is her first born Double Dainty who produced Double Wipe (the excellent Victorian 3yo) and it is this arm that still sees the line to the fore at Gloucester Park through La Mia Juliette 2011 (Dainty's Daughter is her 4th dam)
LMJ won the Gp1 WA Sales Classic for 2yo fillies in 2014 and last won at GP just a couple of months ago

They all belong to U309 and Dainty's Daughter's 2nd dam is the 5th dam of our Katie's (KTQ) Three Bears

Hah! I didn't even know they were related!! Thanks Kev!

[Messenger]

It must be something about September because a year on, I decided to look up the families of a few old legends

Struck out on my first two - Hondo Grattan and Paleface Adios, there are no longer any progeny that can be traced to their dams (Paleface sired quite a few so I imagine his blood is still going around somewhere, albeit very diluted)

Welcome Advice has one glimmer of hope left (after researching many dead ends):

Old Ivy who won 11 (including an M0 at Moonee Valley in 2006 when driven by Kerryn Manning) and was placed 47 times had a filly foal in Dec 2014 but she is yet to be registered (a worry). This filly's 5th dam is Welcome Advice's dam with her 4th dam being a full sister to Welcome. Does anyone know the Buchanans of NSW?