2016 Inter Dominion

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/2016-TABtouch-Inter-Dominion-1st-Rankings-Released

98 horses here, ranked and ready for your consideration

[aussiebreno]

If Ideal For Real fails to make the top 30 by the last round of rankings he could make the handicapper look silly in the following grand circuit events this season.

[KTQ]

So many nz bred horses

[Messenger]

At least there is the excuse that this is the Inter Dominion Katie even if the NZ bred numbers would make one think it is being hosted in NZ this year. I suppose the concept would think a 50/50 split perfect so I guess 60/40 is not too bad

[KTQ]

Is there a Trotter inters still? I take it its held in the east

[Danno]

you have really gotta wonder about the rankings when a horse like Lagoon Stride is ranked well above Shannonsablast, the latter beats the former on every facet except being a WA resident.

[Messenger]

Is there a Trotter inters still? I take it its held in the east

It has been replace Katie

http://www.harness.org.au/hra/feature/fr16_agct.pdf

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Media-Release--2016-TABtouch-Inter-Dominion-2nd-Rankings-Released

Second rankings out with barely a change of course

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/4th-rankings-released-for-the-Inter-Dominion-

The rankings are taking shape with only a couple of weeks until the final 30 will be announced

[Messenger]

Preview

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=31584

NB Ohoka Punter is a sratching

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=GP251116

[Fan of Jate]

All heats look fairly even and may be a few upsets

[Messenger]

I have had a big weekend with my daughter's wedding yesterday so I have missed everything
The http://www.perthinterdominion.com.au site is a joke with no results much less replays
Cody has provided good write ups of Lenny's and Hector's wins

[aussiebreno]

I have had a big weekend with my daughter's wedding yesterday so I have missed everything
The http://www.perthinterdominion.com.au site is a joke with no results much less replays
Cody has provided good write ups of Lenny's and Hector's wins
http://www.perthinterdominion.com.au/race-information/2016-perth-inter-dominion-series-results/

Links to replays, stewards reports and photo finish.

Gee whiz can't help user error Kev. I would say its bloody fantastic - name a better website dedicated to a race or race series??

[Messenger]

http://www.perthinterdominion.com.au/race-information/2016-perth-inter-dominion-series-results/

Links to replays, stewards reports and photo finish.

Gee whiz can't help user error Kev. I would say its bloody fantastic - name a better website dedicated to a race or race series??

Apologies, Apologies, Apologies

I did not see 'Race Information' - foolishly looked under 'Opening Night', 'Latest News', 'Latest Video'

In my defense I am VERY tired (and couldn't they have a 'Results' tab that takes me straight there ;))

Ps Breno, can you get the photo finish to work?

[Messenger]

I am not even hungover and now see that even the HRA results page provides replays - when I think about it I knew that but for some reason thought one state didn't.

PS The photo finish pics work here

PPS Only recently I have caught the Tassie replays which offer the choice of head on or side on or you can actually play both at the same time - the head on is really only different for the home str but the replays are a good quality pic

[Yabbie]

Disappointing that the Emma Stewart team have been scratched from the Interdom. A long trip for no return.

[Messenger]

Disappointing that the Emma Stewart team have been scratched from the Interdom. A long trip for no return.

Unreal

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=31663

[Njcstables]

So, I had a $10 bet with a mate prior to the start of the series that none of the Stewart team would make the final. What happens to my bet? I think he should be paying me, he disagrees!

[Messenger]

Nate, I think you should point out to him that if he had had a bet with the bookies that any of Stewart's runners would make the final he would be minus $10

[gutwagon]

Disappointing that the Emma Stewart team have been scratched from the Interdom. A long trip for no return.
IMO improves integrity, good for the series. Just my opinion and I'm sure I'm not alone. I hope the horses make speedy recoveries .

[Fan of Jate]

Must have been a bummer for the owners with Restrepo drawing the pole. Even this far out it is hard to see any upset now especially as all favourites won at G/park. Smolda and Beaudiene Boaz may spring a surprise. Run oneover will be the big improver IMO

[Messenger]

I think tonight confirms that the draw is going to have a massive say in whether Lenny or even Bling can beat Hector in the Final - I think Hector has the tricks to handle any draw (would love to see Gavin on him though)

[Danno]

I'll be surprised if Hector wins the final Kev, please don't think I'm "death riding" him, I just think he is a way better horse driven off the pace and those tactics are rarely successful at GP when you up against a field of your peers and I think he is vulnerable near the lead under sustained pressure against a field of top class horses rather than a field where there are another 3 or 4 top class horses....we will see, IMO it will be a relatively open final ( Given the stupid FFA conditions of inters these days) and if I were a bookie, I'd be banking on Hector getting beaten.

[Messenger]

The points tally

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/TABtouch-Inter-Dominion-Point-Score-Update

[Messenger]

Lenny will have to prove his fitness this week to be allowed to race in the Final

[Fan of Jate]

Run Oneover was mighty impressive last night and this horse is really improving each race

[trish]

Lenny will have to prove his fitness this week to be allowed to race in the Final



http://harnessnews.com.au/2016/12/leading-hope-in-doubt-for-inter-final/

[Fan of Jate]

This might end up being the weakest inter dominion final field for some time- perhaps the more experienced/older members might be able to comment on that

[Mighty Atom]

This might end up being the weakest inter dominion final field for some time- perhaps the more experienced/older members might be able to comment on that


Apart from the two best horses in the country HJJ and Lenny along with Bling It On and Smolda the rest that have come over from the east including Emma Stewart's lot have not been able to match it with our WA horses so I don't know what that says for the others that stayed home. All the top horses in the land have made the final so I can't agree that this is the weakest ID final for some time.

[Mighty Atom]

I think Adam Hamilton was getting a little over excited with Hector in stating that the horse's 1:56 must be a track record for 2536 metres. The record is I'm Themightyquinn's 1:54:7, a record that will be hard to beat.

[trish]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyqZ_HyUsAAlcG2.jpg



Small crowd at the Inters???

[Messenger]

Is that it?!!!!
I was always led to believe that GP always got a good crowd - I expected it to be packed for the Inter

[Mighty Atom]

Is that it?!!!!
I was always led to believe that GP always got a good crowd - I expected it to be packed for the Inter

Hi Kev,
Sad but true, continuing decline in public interest in harness racing.

[Fan of Jate]

Maybe they should publish the crowd figures and then we can compare them to the bigger races interstate or previous crowds at inter dominion finals. Other sports always count the crowd, Statistics don't tell damn lies do they??

[Fan of Jate]

Rod, which WA horses are you talking about? Run oneover ? This horse has only been in the country 18 months or is it some of the other half baked kiwi horses. It looks like Emma Stewart bought over 3 horses that were either injured or there was some other reason for being pulled out. Christen Me, Arden Rooney and Have faith in Me are all NZ horses that have all won at least $1.5 mill in prizemoney each and in tough competition and did not enter for various reasons so that is at least 3 top horses that aren't in it. If Lenny the Shark doesn't come up, then it will be IMHO the weakest Inter Dominion final ever.

[Messenger]

The only market I can find is Unibet
They have Lenny 4th Fav now at $6.50
Hector is $2.40
Run Oneover $4.00
Bling $5.50

[Maorisidol]

Apart from the two best horses in the country HJJ and Lenny along with Bling It On and Smolda the rest that have come over from the east including Emma Stewart's lot have not been able to match it with our WA horses so I don't know what that says for the others that stayed home. All the top horses in the land have made the final so I can't agree that this is the weakest ID final for some time.

Heard of a horse called Lazarus Rod???
i guess he's TOO far east, doesnt count really!!

[Messenger]

Welcome back Ash

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/TABtouch-Inter-Dominion-Grand-Final-Barrier-Draw

I know he is a real chance but I suppose the draw is why Run Oneover (2) is so close to Hector (9) in the market

[KTQ]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/TABtouch-Inter-Dominion-Grand-Final-Barrier-Draw

I know he is a real chance but I suppose the draw is why Run Oneover (2) is so close to Hector (9) in the market

Runoneover went 1.52.5 on Gp. Fastest horse in Oz on that sized track. Hes nothing to sniff at

[Messenger]

With his eye for pedigrees, Ray has posted me that half the field is NZ bred with In The Pocket being a major factor. ITP is the grandsire of 4 runners, the grandgrandsire of another, and the broodmare sire of another.

[Messenger]

Runoneover went 1.52.5 on Gp. Fastest horse in Oz on that sized track. Hes nothing to sniff at

I agree Katie - he is clear 2nd pick and his draw advantage over Hector could be telling

[Mighty Atom]

Rod, which WA horses are you talking about? Run oneover ? This horse has only been in the country 18 months or is it some of the other half baked kiwi horses. It looks like Emma Stewart bought over 3 horses that were either injured or there was some other reason for being pulled out. Christen Me, Arden Rooney and Have faith in Me are all NZ horses that have all won at least $1.5 mill in prizemoney each and in tough competition and did not enter for various reasons so that is at least 3 top horses that aren't in it. If Lenny the Shark doesn't come up, then it will be IMHO the weakest Inter Dominion final ever.

Pat,go back and have a look at the 2013 and 2014 ID finals. 2013 field the only four worth mentioning apart from the winner ITMQ who treated them with contempt were Terror to Love ( hardly ever performed in Australia), Ma Sish (just) Washakie, Caribbean Blaster ( perhaps) the rest forgettable. 2014 ID final apart from the winner Beautide remind me who was second Seel n Print (LOL). The 2012 Inters final in Perth at least Had I'm Themightyquinn, Mr Feelgood, Smoken Up, Auckland Reactor. Final result WA horses 1,2 and 3. So your argument falls somewhat flat.

[Mighty Atom]

Heard of a horse called Lazarus Rod???
i guess he's TOO far east, doesnt count really!!

Since when has an Interdominion Final field consisted of the very best horses available at a given time, you have to go back many years to find that. Christen Me, Arden Rooney and Have Faith In Me as Pat mentioned, are either injured or under-performing. I'm stating what I have said before don't send your horses from the east over here and expect wonders unless they can perform, at least Queensland learnt their lesson from last years ID. Rather straight forward I would have thought.

[Mighty Atom]

I cannot believe that a horse that pulled up sore in both front legs would be even contemplating a run in a gruelling 2900 metre race. Stepping up from 2536 metres to 2900 metres in a week would be inviting catastrophe.

[Maorisidol]

I cannot believe that a horse that pulled up sore in both front legs would be even contemplating a run in a gruelling 2900 metre race. Stepping up from 2536 metres to 2900 metres in a week would be inviting catastrophe.

Lennys "injury" was an abscess, as quoted by Shane Tritton on Twitter recently, "an abscess is an ON off type injury" with other Trainers stating how they have had an abscess burst on RACEDAY morning and they won that night...so not necessarily an inevitable catastrophe...

[Fan of Jate]

Rod, I am not sure how my argument falls flat. 2012 was a strong interdom field and people came to watch those horses who were actually TOP horses but this field would not turn the average citizens head in any way shape or form. It is more like a Ballarat cup or strong FFA race at Menangle. What person who doesn't follow racing is going to show up and pay to watch this field unless it is a fireworks night which no doubt it will be. I cant comprehend how anyone would think that this is a top Interdom field. This also goes back to why people don't go to the races, one of the reasons is that there are no out and out stars which will attract people to the races. Lenny the Shark is the only one that really stands out.
Adding to the above, The first inter that Beautide won (2014) had 6 millionaires in it and two of those had won 2 million. Lets start getting serious here.

[aussiebreno]

Rod, which WA horses are you talking about? Run oneover ? This horse has only been in the country 18 months or is it some of the other half baked kiwi horses. It looks like Emma Stewart bought over 3 horses that were either injured or there was some other reason for being pulled out. Christen Me, Arden Rooney and Have faith in Me are all NZ horses that have all won at least $1.5 mill in prizemoney each and in tough competition and did not enter for various reasons so that is at least 3 top horses that aren't in it. If Lenny the Shark doesn't come up, then it will be IMHO the weakest Inter Dominion final ever.
A lot out as you mention but it is stronger than last years final.

[aussiebreno]

Hector to get 1-1 from John of Arc? Run Oneover naturally and with John of Arc in the death the speed will be on. In this class as we've seen in the heats the speed will still be on 1200 - 400m so those behind Hector won't be able to get in the race (Smolda and Lenny not going good enough anyway) and he will pop out when he wants and be too good for Run Oneover who should hang on for 2nd. John of Arc should drop off enough to let Bling get out and run 3rd. If Lenny is in the race Boaz will have to come round every horse to finish 4th. If Lenny is scratched Boaz becomes a chance at a place. If Boaz drew better he wins or cert to place. He will win the series next year.

F4 with Lenny in the race. 9 - 2 - 1 - 10
F4 with no Lenny. 9 - 1,10 - 1,2,10 - 1,2,10

[Fan of Jate]

Yes, it is a tad stronger than last years field which was ordinary,Hector will have to be travelling pretty well to win this one and I think he will win from Run Oneover

[strong persuader]

How about the 'pedigree experts' explaining Our Jericho's success in making the ID Final to us :)

Here is a horse that is by a skewbald stallion that could only manage 1 2nd from his 6 lifetime starts and has only sired 3 winners from 38 foals.

Even though he is now being raced by millionaires, I'll wager he has made some smalltime breeder very happy along the way!

[Messenger]

Come on Phil, you know that not every Olympian has athletes for parents. There are plenty of sources of talent in his pedigree. Maybe Tomahawk is a poor man's Sovereign Adios whom having sired one good one from his first crop will see his popularity rise again but never sire another good one ;)

[Messenger]

It is 20yrs since another fish looked down and only an outside chance of defending his title

[Mighty Atom]

Rod, I am not sure how my argument falls flat. 2012 was a strong interdom field and people came to watch those horses who were actually TOP horses but this field would not turn the average citizens head in any way shape or form. It is more like a Ballarat cup or strong FFA race at Menangle. What person who doesn't follow racing is going to show up and pay to watch this field unless it is a fireworks night which no doubt it will be. I cant comprehend how anyone would think that this is a top Interdom field. This also goes back to why people don't go to the races, one of the reasons is that there are no out and out stars which will attract people to the races. Lenny the Shark is the only one that really stands out.
Adding to the above, The first inter that Beautide won (2014) had 6 millionaires in it and two of those had won 2 million. Lets start getting serious here.

Hi Pat,
More like a Ballarat Cup/FFA race at Menangle can't let that one go through to the keeper. From what I've seen going around at Menangle each week nothing much going on there. In my opinion this ID final is stronger than the 2016 Hunter Cup let alone the Ballarat Cup. You have the two current best horses in Australia Hector and Lenny, Smolda, the favourite and winner of the Hunter Cup. Close to the best horse in NSW Bling It On and WA's two best Run Oneover and Beaudiene Boaz - better field than the Hunter Cup. On a footnote we all know which horse should have won the HC WA's My Hard Copy, badly held up on the home turn flew home to run third.

[trish]

IMO , PATHETIC prizemony for consolation of Inter at $35 thou.

[Messenger]

That is dreadful Trish. $75k the same as the heats should have been the minimum

[codywinnell]

That is dreadful Trish. $75k the same as the heats should have been the minimum


But why?

Last placegetter in Inter Dom Grand Final should receive more than winner of Consolation in my view. The goal is to make the final, and all Grand Final qualifiers should be rewarded more than any horse in Consolation -- because every one of them is finishing higher than any Consolation horse in the series.

The way it is last placegetter in Grand Final gets $1k less than Consolation winner I believe. I like where they've moved the conditions this year.

[Messenger]

Good point Cody - you have swayed me. My thinking was that these horses have not come over here to compete in 35k races but then again that (sadly) is Gp2 equivalent prizemoney

[aussiebreno]

But why?

Last placegetter in Inter Dom Grand Final should receive more than winner of Consolation in my view. The goal is to make the final, and all Grand Final qualifiers should be rewarded more than any horse in Consolation -- because every one of them is finishing higher than any Consolation horse in the series.

The way it is last placegetter in Grand Final gets $1k less than Consolation winner I believe. I like where they've moved the conditions this year.
True.

I remember Abettorpunt getting $60K for winnning the Bohemia Crystal at Menangle on Interdom day. Pretty much same as 3rd in the final.

[Messenger]

How about the 'pedigree experts' explaining Our Jericho's success in making the ID Final to us :)

Here is a horse that is by a skewbald stallion that could only manage 1 2nd from his 6 lifetime starts and has only sired 3 winners from 38 foals.

Even though he is now being raced by millionaires, I'll wager he has made some smalltime breeder very happy along the way!

This thorough answer has been sent to me Phil, I trust you will enjoy it

"Don't know what the formal qualifications of a "pedigree expert" are but here are my suggestions as to why Our Jerichos performance exceed what most people would expect from his ( immediate ) pedigree.

Whilst Tesio never actually revealed what he looked for in selecting matings subsequent analysis of the pedigrees of the champions he bred showed that they all exhibited sex balanced line breeding to superior siblings usually in generations 4 to 8 but often with further reinforcements even further back.

Looking for Tesios principles in Our Jerichos pedigree shows that like many of the New Zealand stock he has multiples of Scotland and his sister Rose Scot. More specifically Christjan Cullen has Knight Dream and his sister Marjorie Armstrong in his pedigree and many of his better stock have multiples of Knight Dream and his sire Nibble Hanover in their dams. Whilst Tomahawk doesn't appear to be one of his better ones ( though lack of success on the track isn't definative proof of lack of ability ) he also multiplies the Knight Dream influences frequently found in the better performed CC's, and no doubt in some lesser performed ones too

Our Jerichos dam is by Deal Direct who also adds more Knight Dream and his second dam is by Timely Knight who is a son of Sweet Dream who is a full sister to Knight Dream, thus Our Jerichos pedigree exhibits the Tesio principles of reinforced line breeding to superior siblings.

For those who follow Tesio principles what further adds to the potential potency of Our Jerichos pedigree in addition to the Knight Dream and his siblings is that Timely Knight is by Good Time and that Good Time over Knight Dream is repeated several times, and in one instance a son of Good Time over Knight Dream throughout Our Jericho, so the pedigree has multiples of near genetic siblings as well as actual siblings.

I don't think there has been any actuall statistical analysis on the position of a common ancestor on the sire line in stbs in general or on Direct Scooter in particular, but analysis from TBs indicate that the 4x3 position for a common ancestor on the sire line is quite favourable for performance and it's not unreasonable to think that that would hold true for stbs as well. Of course the analysis does pertain to sires who are considered superior sires and would probably not give the same results for inferior sires.

Of course Tesio principles are unproven science and correlation does not automatically mean causation so Our Jericho's apparent ability above what his immediate pedigree would suggest could simply be the result of the laws of genetic variation. "

[gutwagon]

I can't see Lenny winning the final if he has missed work. If he does then he must really be special !

[aussiebreno]

I can't see Lenny winning the final if he has missed work. If he does then he must really be special !
3 runs last week and 7 days between runs. I don't think he is going quite as well as he has been past 18 months so can't see him winning but don't think missing work will be much of a factor.

[Fan of Jate]

Love it....Genetic variation, but the rest of it I could not follow..:)

[Fan of Jate]

Rod, the two WA horses should give their owners some value in the final. My hard copy is another horse missing from the InterDom as well. I am not sure what his future holds.


Lenny the Shark must be a chance if he races without injury, he has done nothing wrong in the heats.

[trish]

I can't see Lenny winning the final if he has missed work. If he does then he must really be special !




This is the honest truth.........my dad in his later years had nominated two horses in the days when you had them sent to you...yes a long time ago! but he forgot he had done so. Any way race day comes & my friend Mark goes down to get the horses because they are in the fields , he gets to
my dads place , my dad said Mark what are you doing here & he said Joe your two horses are racing today , my dad said ....bugger it , I haven't worked them for 10 days Mark , he thought for about 10 seconds & said oh they will be right you can not lose fitness in 10 days.....low & behold the first one ran 2nd after being flattened at the start & the 2nd one broke the track record winning easily .Reckon Lenny should be fine. Good luck to all in Final & consolation.

[aussiebreno]

This is the honest truth.........my dad in his later years had nominated two horses in the days when you had them sent to you...yes a long time ago! but he forgot he had done so. Any way race day comes & my friend Mark goes down to get the horses because they are in the fields , he gets to
my dads place , my dad said Mark what are you doing here & he said Joe your two horses are racing today , my dad said ....bugger it , I haven't worked them for 10 days Mark , he thought for about 10 seconds & said oh they will be right you can not lose fitness in 10 days.....low & behold the first one ran 2nd after being flattened at the start & the 2nd one broke the track record winning easily .Reckon Lenny should be fine. Good luck to all in Final & consolation.
Can only talk for human fitness but the idea is called tapering. Taper off your training in the week or two leading up to a big race for best results.

[Adaptor]

A look at the sire lines shows that the predictions of 20 or so years ago that Meadow Skipper blood had saturated the breeding of pacers and backed breeders into a corner has not eventuated.
Who would have thought that the dominant sire-line in this field is the Direct Scooter line?
And all 6 are sired by sons or grandsons of the Direct Scooter import In The Pocket

The 12 in the field, including emergencies are:

Direct Scooter: (6) ..Volomite sireline
Run One Over... Changeover/In The Pocket/ Direct Scooter
Our Jerico ... Tomahawk/Christian Cullen/In the Pocket/Direct Scooter
John of Ark... Courage Under Fire/In The Pocket/Direct Scooter
France Nelson... Christian Cullen/In The Pocket/Direct Scooter
Smolda... Courage Under Fire/In The Pocket/Direct Scooter
The Bucket List ... Christian Cullen/In The Pocket/Direct Scooter

No No Nukes: (3) ..Meadow Skipper sireline
Our Jimmy Johnson... PForty Seven/The Panderosa/Western Hanover/No Nukes
Bling It On ... American Ideal/Western Ideal/Western Hanover/No Nukes
Beaudine Boaz ... Badlands Hanover/Western Hanover/No Nukes

Cam Fella: (2)... Meadow Skipper sireline
Bettors Fire... Bettors Delight/Cams Card Shark/Cam Fella
Lennytheshark... Four Starzz Shark/Cams Card Shark/Cam Fella

Abercrombie: (1)... Adios sireline
Hector Jayjay... Dream Away/Artsplace/Abercrombie

As an aside: The turnaround to Direct Scooter blood continues with the success of the Matt Scooter son Mach Three and his amazing son Somebeaachsomewhere...and the promise of Auckland Reactor.

[Messenger]

As I mentioned in an earlier post - I am calling it the In The Pocket dominance Noel

[Messenger]

Lenny's vet inspection is today - hopefully the results will be known soon

[Messenger]

Lenny is OUT

http://www.perthinterdominion.com.au/media/inter-dominion-news/lennytheshark-is-out/

[Messenger]

I don't suppose you could sack your own son for Chris Alford

[Fan of Jate]

Nice one Kev, but a real bummer that the shark is out

[arlington]

I don't suppose you could sack your own son for Chris Alford

Has Josh put a foot wrong on Hector? Really Kev??

Thank god they didn't kick Chris Lewis of Carclew :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHK6jBiDq6U

[aussiebreno]

Has Josh put a foot wrong on Hector? Really Kev??

Thank god they didn't kick Chris Lewis of Carclew :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHK6jBiDq6U
Before this series he has. This series has just been a sit and steer job.
If Lenny was out of the series 6 months ago no doubt Alford would have been asked for the drive on Hector.

[arlington]

Before this series he has. This series has just been a sit and steer job.
If Lenny was out of the series 6 months ago no doubt Alford would have been asked for the drive on Hector.


We're talking about Josh's drives on Hector, condemned for the 2nd at Yarra Glen? Even Kev thought the odds were against him. What did you think of Chris's drive on Lenny last week? From this draw maybe Chris is thinking "phew TGIF I'm not on Hector".


All the best to all the competitors, hope it's a great, clean race, whoever is the victor.

[strong persuader]

This thorough answer has been sent to me Phil, I trust you will enjoy it

"Don't know what the formal qualifications of a "pedigree expert" are but here are my suggestions as to why Our Jerichos performance exceed what most people would expect from his ( immediate ) pedigree.

Whilst Tesio never actually revealed what he looked for in selecting matings subsequent analysis of the pedigrees of the champions he bred showed that they all exhibited sex balanced line breeding to superior siblings usually in generations 4 to 8 but often with further reinforcements even further back.

Looking for Tesios principles in Our Jerichos pedigree shows that like many of the New Zealand stock he has multiples of Scotland and his sister Rose Scot. More specifically Christjan Cullen has Knight Dream and his sister Marjorie Armstrong in his pedigree and many of his better stock have multiples of Knight Dream and his sire Nibble Hanover in their dams. Whilst Tomahawk doesn't appear to be one of his better ones ( though lack of success on the track isn't definative proof of lack of ability ) he also multiplies the Knight Dream influences frequently found in the better performed CC's, and no doubt in some lesser performed ones too

Our Jerichos dam is by Deal Direct who also adds more Knight Dream and his second dam is by Timely Knight who is a son of Sweet Dream who is a full sister to Knight Dream, thus Our Jerichos pedigree exhibits the Tesio principles of reinforced line breeding to superior siblings.

For those who follow Tesio principles what further adds to the potential potency of Our Jerichos pedigree in addition to the Knight Dream and his siblings is that Timely Knight is by Good Time and that Good Time over Knight Dream is repeated several times, and in one instance a son of Good Time over Knight Dream throughout Our Jericho, so the pedigree has multiples of near genetic siblings as well as actual siblings.

I don't think there has been any actuall statistical analysis on the position of a common ancestor on the sire line in stbs in general or on Direct Scooter in particular, but analysis from TBs indicate that the 4x3 position for a common ancestor on the sire line is quite favourable for performance and it's not unreasonable to think that that would hold true for stbs as well. Of course the analysis does pertain to sires who are considered superior sires and would probably not give the same results for inferior sires.

Of course Tesio principles are unproven science and correlation does not automatically mean causation so Our Jericho's apparent ability above what his immediate pedigree would suggest could simply be the result of the laws of genetic variation. "


Pedigree experts was tongue in cheek, because anyone who thinks they have solved that riddle should consider booking themselves into an asylum. :)

I think finding reasons for Our Jericho's success would be endless and fruitless, because you could replicate it a dozen times without getting near the same result!

It is just great that a horse like this comes along from time to time to renew the faith that good horses can come from anywhere.

[aussiebreno]

We're talking about Josh's drives on Hector, condemned for the 2nd at Yarra Glen? Even Kev thought the odds were against him. What did you think of Chris's drive on Lenny last week? From this draw maybe Chris is thinking "phew TGIF I'm not on Hector".


All the best to all the competitors, hope it's a great, clean race, whoever is the victor.

Johnathon Thurston, Gary Ablett, Andrew Johns, Wayne Carey, Chris Alford. Doesn't matter how good the other blokes are going you pick those 5 names first.

[arlington]

...you pick those 5 names first.

But the owners didn't(?). The Inter Dom is exempt from loyalty, having faith in and living the dream?

From a betting perspective what odds Hector J Aiken v C Alford? Punting v value? Often amazes me how the less accomplished drivers get bagged, often for no good reason but "we" complain about short prices.

Not sure if C Alford didn't quote Herve Fillon somewhere recently. Something along the lines of "as drivers we get over acknowledged for the wins on great horses and bagged for the drives on poor horses".
Still shaking my head at The Gauch getting dragged from El Segundo.

[Messenger]

Has Josh put a foot wrong on Hector? Really Kev??

Thank god they didn't kick Chris Lewis of Carclew :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHK6jBiDq6U

I take your point Wayne and I would never have kicked MP off Prince of Penzance so if Josh has the same sort of relationship with Hector it is a no brainer, otherwise I just feel Chris has the runs on the board and a personna that says "Don't even think about it"

[aussiebreno]

But the owners didn't(?). The Inter Dom is exempt from loyalty, having faith in and living the dream?

From a betting perspective what odds Hector J Aiken v C Alford? Punting v value? Often amazes me how the less accomplished drivers get bagged, often for no good reason but "we" complain about short prices.

Not sure if C Alford didn't quote Herve Fillon somewhere recently. Something along the lines of "as drivers we get over acknowledged for the wins on great horses and bagged for the drives on poor horses".
Still shaking my head at The Gauch getting dragged from El Segundo.
The owners put Gavin Lang on before Josh. If Chris wasn't tied up with Lenny he may have even got the look in before G Lang.

[strong persuader]

Not sure if C Alford didn't quote Herve Filion somewhere recently. Something along the lines of "as drivers we get over acknowledged for the wins on great horses and bagged for the drives on poor horses".

Yes, I often think we humans try to give ourselves too much credit for our involvement. Good drivers need good trainers who need good horses to begin with :)

At the other end of the scale, we sometimes need to remind ourselves that we aren't Jesus Christ and can't work miracles and stop throwing good money after bad :)

[Messenger]

Perfect drive by young Josh, he was probably expecting the winner to give him cover 3W for a bit longer than he did.
It has got me beat how the All Stars keep doing it

[arlington]

...It has got me beat how the All Stars keep doing it

Unfathomable

[Messenger]

That 1.55.8 took 1.2 seconds off the 2936m Tk Rec
Who would have thought that times would advance so fast that we would see sub 1.56 for the best part of 2 miles on a ½ mile track

[Maorisidol]

That 1.55.8 took 1.2 seconds off the 2936m Tk Rec
Who would have thought that times would advance so fast that we would see sub 1.56 for the best part of 2 miles on a ½ mile track

Yes Kev was a great race, its great when the cream rises to the top where it should be!
Smolda and Purdon proved whos toughest by smashing the GP track record while coming from last to beat a fantastic Hector (great drive Josh gave every chance) and they both came from last to go around every horse.
So a Kiwi wins a Victorian 2nd, Boaz every chance not good enough and was lucky to keep 3rd as Bling was held up badly and flew home moral beaten for the place while the other Kiwi Franco Nelson after being severely checked also flew home late and may also have beaten Boaz more than likely-but thats racing...
1st NZ
2nd Vic
3rd WA
4th NSW
5th NZ

6th WA
7th WA
8th WA
9th WA
10th WA

Who doesn't love cream!!!

[Messenger]

6th - 10th all get $22k, I would like to see the taper all the way down. You would have to steal some off the place-getters however as you cannot have 10th earn any less as rightly 'following Cody's prinicpal' you cannot have the winner of the consolation ($23k) earning more than the finalists

The distance and the format are probably never going to be the ideal for a speed machine like Hector

The time difference between the Consolation and the Final was totally due to the Lead Time and Run Oneover pulling although if that had not been the case there may have been more moves

ps A big race at 12.30am AEST does next to nothing for the advancement of the sport (anywhere except WA)

[Maorisidol]

6th - 10th all get $22k, I would like to see the taper all the way down. You would have to steal some off the place-getters however as you cannot have 10th earn any less as rightly 'following Cody's prinicpal' you cannot have the winner of the consolation ($23k) earning more than the finalists

The distance and the format are probably never going to be the ideal for a speed machine like Hector

The time difference between the Consolation and the Final was totally due to the Lead Time and Run Oneover pulling although if that had not been the case there may have been more moves

ps A big race at 12.30am AEST does next to nothing for the advancement of the sport (anywhere except WA)

Totally agree on your feeling about "the advancement of the sport (anywhere except WA)"
But its typical of the state and its detachment from the East, thinks its its own Country.
Sadly for the Trots world, fans, owners, trainers, drivers etc in Eastern states and all of NZ that WA Trots put ZERO care into the race being so late in 80% of the trots world timezones.
Selfish, uncaring, ignorant in my opinion, if i may have one!
The race belongs to us-the followers the fans the community and its special-its not owned by WA

[Messenger]

In fairness to WA, as far as distance goes it could easily be its own country - Perth to Sydney is the about the same as going from London to Berlin 4 times

[Mighty Atom]

A kiwi wins good to see, always love it when a NZer wins, the runner up is the first loser (Vic)

[Mighty Atom]

Totally agree on your feeling about "the advancement of the sport (anywhere except WA)"
But its typical of the state and its detachment from the East, thinks its its own Country.
Sadly for the Trots world, fans, owners, trainers, drivers etc in Eastern states and all of NZ that WA Trots put ZERO care into the race being so late in 80% of the trots world timezones.
Selfish, uncaring, ignorant in my opinion, if i may have one!
The race belongs to us-the followers the fans the community and its special-its not owned by WA

When are you ever going to get over your inferiority complex?

[Messenger]

Rod and Ash - that is the end of your squabble

[p plater]

[QUOTE=Messenger;48913]6th - 10th all get $22k, I would like to see the taper all the way down. You would have to steal some off the place-getters however as you cannot have 10th earn any less as rightly 'following Cody's prinicpal' you cannot have the winner of the consolation ($23k) earning more than the finalists

Just for clarity, all finalists are charged an acceptance fee, makes a joke of stated prizemoney.

From Terms and Conditions
NB:
A Final Acceptance fee of $ 7,920 incl GST
will be deducted
from stakes
for all finalists
payouts
listed above.
There is no Final acceptance
Fee payable on Horses in
the
Consolation

[Messenger]

Well in that case Bailey, the 10th placed horse needs to earn $30k to make it about the same as the winner of the consolation

[hugdon]

It was one of the most exciting races seen by me for ages. Found myself up and shouting as Smolda fought back and won even punched the air a few times. Fabulous advertisement for the sport of pacing.

[Messenger]

It sounds like the atmosphere must have been good Jim (with you contributing to it) - was there a good crowd?

[littlelenny]

Totally agree Jim it was a great race and I have always enjoyed watching Smolda and that tough style of racing that he demonstrates since I first saw him with christen me in the chariots of fire at menangle. He's a true warrior he gives his all everytime he steps out on the track. The All stars team and Smolda are definitely a big positive for our sport.

[Chariots]

The random barrier draw inadvertently gave us a handicap race and that made the event.

Hectorjayjay draws inside 6 it is odds on and no contest.

[Mighty Atom]

The crowds for the heats were a little disappointing but I believe the final attracted between 10 to 12 thousand no where near the crowds of yesteryear but quite acceptable by today's standards.

[Mighty Atom]

My biggest disappointment of the ID's was the scratching of Ohoka Punter because with the Gary Hall Snr magic that horse would have been one hell of a contender - the winner I reckon.

[Messenger]

With the way Run Oneover charged out and kept charging I wonder if Hector had supposedly drawn to lead or a leading Ohoka type would not have been victims of his over-racing