Broodmare Values : Fleur De Lil for example only

[Love Of Courage]

Hello Hello,

It would be appreciated if someone could give me an idea as to how you would put a value on a mare such as this for breeding purposes.

Assuming that she was retired from racing and was going to be a broodmare. Things like expected number of foals, selling prices etc if she was bred to various stallions.

I picked this mare simply because she is extremely well performed and from a good family. If anyone has other mares similar that they could give an estimated idea of value.

[mightymo]

Hello Hello,

It would be appreciated if someone could give me an idea as to how you would put a value on a mare such as this for breeding purposes.

Assuming that she was retired from racing and was going to be a broodmare. Things like expected number of foals, selling prices etc if she was bred to various stallions.

I picked this mare simply because she is extremely well performed and from a good family. If anyone has other mares similar that they could give an estimated idea of value.

Hi Sue

As a buyer I expect, to get my money back within 2-3 years.

With an empty mare like FDL, that basically means you need to work out what her first foal will bring. Depending on type etc, you would say 75-100K. From this you then need to deduct the service fee and breeding costs etc.

The balance is basically what I would say she is worth. so prob around 60-70K. A seller would probably want more!

Hope this helps.

Regards

Harvey

[Love Of Courage]

Hello Harvey,

Thank you for the help ! Pricing these top end broodmares I find to be difficult as I have seen only a few and to me the asking price always seems very high. I would expect the asking price would be $ 150,000 to $ 200,000 in a good selling climate for this mare.

[smithy]

i'd think 50k, or in foal 50k plus whatever shes in foal too, so say 65k ish

check your private messages LOC ill send you some prices of good mares that were for sale in the recent past i know of - for your interest

actually if she was in foal to cullen and you got your vet to sex test it and it was a colt, she'd be worth 100k

does anyone know whats happened to the older galvinator sisters?

[mango]

Hi Smithy

Could you send them to me also if you don't mind as i would like to know what price you are paying for a good mare and how good she is on paper.

[mightymo]

i'd think 50k, or in foal 50k plus whatever shes in foal too, so say 65k ish

check your private messages LOC ill send you some prices of good mares that were for sale in the recent past i know of - for your interest

actually if she was in foal to cullen and you got your vet to sex test it and it was a colt, she'd be worth 100k

does anyone know whats happened to the older galvinator sisters?

there is only one galvinator sister. Rob Watson purchased her last year in the US in foal to western ideal for around 75K I think

[mightymo]

Hello Harvey,

Thank you for the help ! Pricing these top end broodmares I find to be difficult as I have seen only a few and to me the asking price always seems very high. I would expect the asking price would be $ 150,000 to $ 200,000 in a good selling climate for this mare.



There is not a harness racing mare in the world that would make sense for an Aust buyer to pay anywhere near that money. in fact, I cant think of a single mare that i would say is worth anymore than 100K

[mightymo]

Hello Harvey,

Thank you for the help ! Pricing these top end broodmares I find to be difficult as I have seen only a few and to me the asking price always seems very high. I would expect the asking price would be $ 150,000 to $ 200,000 in a good selling climate for this mare.



Anytime you want an opinion on a price, please feel free to email or call me. I must have bought/sold well over 100 mares in the last 5 years so i reckon have a fairly good handle on things

[mango]

Hi Mightymo

They must of dropped there price for Miss Galvinator cause i remember at one stage they had $110k on her.

[mightymo]

im preety certain they did drop the price

[mango]

I see she was last served by Rocknroll Hanover on the 26-11-10 and J Curtin is down as owner. They must of foaled her down over there to Western Ideal and then left the foal there and brought there mare back.

[mango]

Just looked on the USTA Pathway and Miss Galvinator has a yearling colt by Western Ideal who is named Westernator, i wonder if he is going through the sale's over there.

[smithy]

There is not a harness racing mare in the world that would make sense for an Aust buyer to pay anywhere near that money. in fact, I cant think of a single mare that i would say is worth anymore than 100K

see you at peelers.

but i pretty much agree, no way i think an yearling could be worth over 60-70k at the sales

[smithy]

speaking of good mares, have a go franco and sassy sarah both represented race 6 cranbourne

[Love Of Courage]

Hello All,

Thank you all for the replies and for the private message Smithy. The top class mares that I have seen for private sale must have been a little overpriced, and not reflecting true market value.

[smithy]

ive found the 20-30 range the most over priced LOC imo

[remington]

hey smithy can you also private mail me that list of mares thanks

[David Summers]

Hi Mightymo

They must of dropped there price for Miss Galvinator cause i remember at one stage they had $110k on her.

I have very reliable advice that $125K was the asking price.

[mightymo]

I have very reliable advice that $125K was the asking price.

im not doubting the asking price. It was offered to me at various prices, but Im pretty sure the deal was done at less than that

[mango]

I have very reliable advice that $125K was the asking price.

Hey Ozninja

Miss Galvinator was advertised on onGait.com in the states infoal to Western Ideal for $110k late 2009. But in saying that she could of been shopped around before hand.

[David Summers]

Hey Ozninja

Miss Galvinator was advertised on onGait.com in the states infoal to Western Ideal for $110k late 2009. But in saying that she could of been shopped around before hand.

Correct, yes she was.

[Greg Hando]

A broodmare is only worth what you can get someone to pay put em in a sale market value is what they're worth if Fleur De Lil was mine no amount of money would buy her i have a mare here at the moment that won one race in a modest 2.03 has had 1 foal he is placed she is a half sister to 3 winners not commercially viable to sell her foals at the sales but i wouldn't take 30,000 for her for the simple fact she's mine and i wouldn't sell her even if she produces no winner's in 10 foals she is a pleasure to have around the place that's enough dribble as i said theyre worth what someone will pay

[David Summers]

the simple fact she's mine and i wouldn't sell her even if she produces no winner's in 10 foals she is a pleasure to have around the place

Well said Winston. You are certainly not the only one with that opinion. Often to sell them would be like selling a member of your family. I know lots of us may be considered suckers to have this thinking, but I can live with that criticism.

[smithy]

thats why australia is full of kiwi horses

[Greg Hando]

No smithy when you've had a family of horses for close on 80 year's you tend to keep a few of them