Globe Derby more of his early days.

In the 1994 Hindsight Annual volume 2.
Mr Ken Dyer published an article: Globe Derby Some New Information On His Early Days.
There's always been some conjecture around when Globe Derby was first named and what that name was.

It was generally thought that Globe Derby was unnamed before his first race start on the 29th May 1914.
Mr. Dyer's research showed that Globe Derby was in fact know by that name prior to starting his racing career under the name Cyril C.

Having done some research on Globe Derby myself, here's a Time line from the Newspapers of the day.
That will hopefully add a little more to his early days, and answer some of the mystery surrounded his name.

20 Mar 1913 Globe Derby awarded 2nd place at the Sydney Royal Easter Show for Trotting or Pacing Stallions 2yrs and under 3yrs.

22 Mar 1913 A horse by the name of Globe Derby appears for sale in the Melbourne Age newspaper.

29 Jun 1913 It's reported in the Australian Trotting Record that Mr. James Brennan of Perth will visit New South Wales to purchase Globe Derby.

20 Aug 1913 Mr. James Brennnan while at the Blair Athol Stud purchased the Stallion Desire from D.Hastie, Globe Derby was unsold.

15 Aug 1913 Globe Derby advertised by D.Hastie of the Blair Athol Stud Farm, Temora as a Stud-Book Trotter to stand that season.

26 Sep 1913 Globe Derby awarded first place at the Temora Show for Trotting Stallions registered in the Stud Book.

Globe Derby is registered in the Australian Stud Book for Trotters Volume Three published in 1916 with the registration number 265.
Volume Two of the Stud Book published in 1911 closed with the last registered number 249.
Making Globe Derby the 16th stallion registered by the Royal Agricultural Society of New South Wales after the close of volume 2 of the Stud Book.
Volume 3 lists stallions numbers 250 to346 in chronological order indicating that Globe Derby would've been registered as a stallion well before 1914.

10 Mar 1914 Globe Derby nominated for the Ladies Bracelet race at Cootamundra on the 17th March over 9 furlongs.

26 Mar 1914 Globe Derby nominated for a 9 furlong race at Cootamundra on the 1st April.

I think the fact that James Brennan was aware of Globe Derby in 1913 and looking to purchase him shows how well known the horse was at the time.
As for the horse named Globe Derby appearing for sale in Melbourne in March 1913 "I've got no idea".

If your a bit of history buff like me, hopefully you'll find the information of interest.

Cheers
Trev.

It is indeed an interesting read, thanks Trev

In 1922, Globe Derby won on the grass at the Bendigo Jockey Club racecourse at Epsom. while in the ownership of AG Hunter. Hunters had properties at Elmore
(Burnewany Park) and Seymour (Northwood Park).

So men, how much of the following is true

Foaled at Bathurst in September, 1910, and first known as Cyril C. but later renamed, Globe Derby was destined to become the greatest colonial-bred trotting progenitor in the history of Australian trotting.
Globe Derby was sold as a yearling for 25 guineas. He was later sold for 90 guineas, and later still for £150. Again the horse changed hands before his first race start, the price having increased to £375

Source: Great Trotters by Ron Jenkins

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In 1922, Globe Derby won on the grass at the Bendigo Jockey Club racecourse at Epsom. while in the ownership of AG Hunter. Hunters had properties at Elmore
(Burnewany Park) and Seymour (Northwood Park).

Bendigo Jockey Club, Epsom, 24th May 1922.
First day of winter meeting.

Handicap Trot.
One mile and a quarter.

1 Globe Derby, A.G. Hunter's, bh aged by Mambrino Derby - Springheel, 185yds bhd, A.J. Rae.

2 The Brumby, R. Dargan's, chh 6yrs 40yds bhd, T.J. Skehill.
3 Haricot, A.G. Hunter's, chm aged, 65yds bhd, A.G. Hunter.

other starters: Sunraysed scr, Harold's Voyage scr, Hermorer scr, Rheola 15yrds, Grenadier 20yrds,
Honey Bee 25yrds, Valrose 40yrds, Stormy Voyage 65yrds, Prince Denver 70yrds.

Won by half a yard, with Haricot two yards away third.
Time: 3.7.

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So men, how much of the following is true

Foaled at Bathurst in September, 1910, and first known as Cyril C. but later renamed, Globe Derby was destined to become the greatest colonial-bred trotting progenitor in the history of Australian trotting.
Globe Derby was sold as a yearling for 25 guineas. He was later sold for 90 guineas, and later still for £150. Again the horse changed hands before his first race start, the price having increased to £375

Source: Great Trotters by Ron Jenkins

The story that Globe Derby was unnamed until his started racing under the name Cyril C is incorrect.
He was well known as Globe Derby before, in fact he was nominated for races in Cootamundra before appearing in Sydney as Cyril C.

He was sold to D.Hastie for 25 guineas on the 30 Nov 1911 at the Bathurst Show Grounds.
The story that Globe Derby was sold for 90 guineas comes from it being said that he was purchased at the Bathurst sale by C.White and then later sold on to Hastie.
This is wrong White never owned Globe Derby, but he did buy his dam Springheel at the Bathurst auction for 26 guineas.

Hastie sold Globe Derby to Nader and Harpley of Temora for 150 pounds.
They in turn sold the horse to J.Corby of Stockingbingal for 375 pounds.

It was Joseph Corby that registered Globe Derby as Cyril C. (after his son) to race at Epping on the 29th May 1914.

Ron Jenkins statement that "Globe Derby was destined to become the greatest colonial-bred trotting progenitor in the history of Australian trotting" is gospel!.

Cheers
Trev.

With Noel mentioning Globe Derby's start at Epsom, 24th May 1922.
I had a look at his track record at the time.

I found that Globe Derby also started in a race the next day.
The Distance Handicap Trot over one mile and a quarter.

The second start at Epsom was not mentioned in either of the books Globe Derby's Greatness or Globe Trotters.
Here's the result of the race on the second day of the meeting.

Bendigo Jockey Club, Epsom, 25th May 1922.
Second day of winter meeting.

Distance Handicap Trot.
One mile and a quarter.

1 The Brumby, R. Dargan's, chh 6yrs by Harold Direct - a Thoroughbred mare, 20yds bhd, T.J. Skehill.
2 Haricot, A.G. Hunter's, chm aged, 45yds bhd, A.G. Hunter.
3 Tango Tom, J.Bernasechi's, blkg aged, 45yrds bhd, H.Bambridge.

other starters: Grenadier scr, Sunstar scr, Black Doris 20yrds, A La Mode 75yrds, Queen Pirate 75yrds, Globe Derby 165yrds.

Won by a short head, with four yards between second and third.
Time: 3.3.

I also had a look at his race record while he was in New Zealand in late 1922 early 1923.
Again a couple of races had been over looked.
Both books say that he started in seven events while in New Zealand.
In fact it was nine, the missing two are his first New Zealand start in the Pacing Exhibition at the Auckland Show on the 2nd December 1922.
And the Cornwall Handicap in Auckland on the 26 th April 1923.

While in New Zealand Globe Derby raced well below his best.
I've put some comments from the newspapers in between his race results, that may give an insight as to why.

1 Auckland Show, 2 Dec 1922

Pacing Exhibition, 148 sovs.
Two Miles.

1 Steel Bell, S.J.Roe, 108yds.
2 Moneymaker, W.Kelsey 120yds.
3 Sal Pointer, A.J.Julian, 60yds.

Also started: Enid scr, Lady Evelyn scr, Harold Junior 24yds, Promenade 48yds,
Pitaroa 60 yds, Lord Minto 84yds, First Carbine 96yds, Globe Derby 144yds dnf.

Margins: a length by two lengths.
Time: 4.47.4.

Globe Derby was pulled up.

On the 15th of December it was reported that Globe Derby was showing signs of lameness.
Again on the 23rd it was stated that he'd been lame since being in New Zealand.

2 Auckland, 27th Dec 1922.
First day summer meeting.

Auckland Trotting Cup Handicap, 2000sovs.
Two Miles.

1 Minton Derby, blk h 5yrs, by Mambrino Derby - Minionette, P.Riddle, scr.
2 Comedy Chief, ch g aged, R.A.McMillan, 24yds.
3 Great Hope, ch c 4yrs, J.Bryce, scr.

Others: Kewpie scr, Steel Bell 36yds, Nita Bell 48yds, Snowshoe 36yds, Blue Mountain King 24yds, Moneymaker 48yds, Gold Boy 48yds, Grand Voyage 36yds, Clarrie Daly 48yds, Don Wild scr, Dean Dillon 36yds, Pedro Pronto 12yds, First Carbine 24yds, Globe Derby 60yds, Woodvale 12yds.

Margins: a half length by a head.
Time: 4.32.2

Globe Derby second last.

3 Auckland, 29th Dec 1922.
Second day summer meeting.

Summer Cup Handicap, 1000sovs.
Two Miles.

1 Snowshoe, b g aged, W.J.Tomlinson, 36yds.
2 Great Hope, ch c 4yrs, J.Bryce, 24yds.
3 Comedy Chief, ch g aged, R.A.McMillan, 48yds.

Others: Moneymaker 48yds, Clarrie Daley 48yds, Don Wild scr, Gold Boy 28yds, Kewpie scr, Dean Dillon 36yds, First Carbine 24yds, Globe Derby 48yds, William the First scr, Woodvale 12yds.

Margins: three-quaters of a length by two lengths.
Time: 4.28.2

Globe Derby finished 11th.

4 Auckland, 30th Dec 1922.
Third day summer meeting.

President's Handicap, 1000sovs.
Two Miles.

1 Nita Bell, br m 6yrs, G.Paton, 48yds.
2 Man O War, blk h aged, A.Bryce, 120yds.
3 Grand Voyage, blk h aged, P.B.Glasheen, 36yds.

Also started: Blue Mountain King 24yds, Pitaroa scr, First Carbine 24yds, Steel Bell 36yds,
Dean Dillion 36yds, Great Hope 48yds, Clarrie Daly 48yds, Moneymaker 48yds,
Globe Derby 48yds, Comedy Chief 60yds.

Margins: a length by a one and a half lengths.
Time: 4.35

In January The New Zealand Herald reported that he'd been suffering from an inflamed mouth.

The Truth newspaper 17th February said that Rae (Globe Derby's trainer, driver) had three good 'uns in Globe Derby, Pyrarmus and Haricot, But should ask someone else to drive 'em.

5 Auckland, Otahuhu T.C, 19 Feb 1923.
First day summer meeting.

Otahuh Cup, 1000sovs.
Two Miles.

1 Sheik, b h 5yrs, P.Riddle, scr.
2 Blue Mountain King, blk h aged, G.A.McKendrick, 36yds.
3 Grand Voyage, blk h aged, P.B.Glasheen, 48yds, and
Clarrie Daly, ch g aged, W.Lousemore, 60yds. Dead Heated.

Also started: William the First scr, Taraire 12yds, All Bell 36yds, Gold Girl 36yds,
Globe Derby 60yds, Comedy Chief 72yds, Man O War 132yds.

Margins: a length and a half by two lengths.
Time: 4.42

6 Auckland, Otahuhu T.C, 21 Feb 1923.
Second day summer meeting.

Dominion Handicap, 1000sovs.
Two Miles.

1 Man O War, blk h aged, A.Bryce, 132yds.
2 Lady Dunmore b m 5yrs, J.T.Paul, scr.
3 Taraire, rn g 5yrs, J.Bryce, 12yds.

Others: Comedy Chief 72yds, Blue Mountain King 48yds, First Carbine 36yds, Clarrie Daly 60yds, Nita Bell 72yds, Moneymaker 60yds, Grand Voyage 48yds, Globe Derby 60yds, Gold Boy 60yds, Sal Pointer scr.

Margins: a length by half length.
Time: 4.44.6

Globe Derby finished 11th.

The Truth 3rd March, The Aussies say that Globe Derby ia as good as Happy Voyage.
His New Zealand form dosen't make him good enough to be in the same street.

7 Auckland, 24 Apr 1923.
First day Autumn meeting.

Cornwall Handicap, 400sovs.
One Mile.

1 All Bell, blk m aged, G.Paton, 48yds.
2 Bonny Logan b f 3yrs, F.Holmes, 24yds.
2 Promenade, b m 6yrs, W.McCarthy, 12yds.

Also Started: Duke Whip scr, Huon Grattan 12yds, Pitaroa 12yds, Kewpie 12yds, Napper 12yds, Sal Pointer 24yds, Lord Minto 24yds, Gold Girl 36yds, Man O War 60yds, Globe Derby 60yds.

Margins: half a length by a neck.
Time: 2.22.8

Globe Derby was favourite and driven by P.Riddle, he finished 5th.

8 Auckland, 28 Apr 1923.
Final day Autumn meeting.

Prince of Wales Handicap, 1000sovs.
Two Miles.

1 Alto Chimes, b g aged, J.Bryce, 12yds.
2 Sheik, b h 5yrs, P.Riddle, 48yds.
3 Lady Joan, rn m 3yrs, F.Holmes, scr.

Also started: Harold Junior scr, Gold Girl 36yds, All Bell 48yds, Blue Mountain King 48yds, Dean Dillon 48yds, Steel Bell 60yds, Globe Derby 60yds, Man O War 144yds.

Margins: two lengths by a half length.
Time: 4.37

Globe Derby finished 6th.

9 Auckland, 28 Apr 1923.
Final day Autumn meeting.

Liverpool Handicap, 400sovs.
2.52 class, One mile and a quarter.

1 Lady Joan, F.Holmes, 12yds.
2 First Carbine, 48yds.
3 Snowshoe, 72yds.

Also started: Mintson scr, Huon Grattan scr, Napper 12yds, Pani 12yds, Lady Dunmore 12yds, Logan Queen 12yds, Promenade 12yds, Sal Pointer 36yds, Blue Mountain King 36yds, Dean Dillon 48yds, Moneymaker 48yds, Gold Girl 48yds, Man O War 72yds, Globe Derby 72yds, All Bell 84yds.

Margins: a length by a half length.
Time: 2.50.6

It was Globe Derby's second start of the day.

Lastly in The Truth 5th May, Rae is returning to Sydney, but if he comes back he ought to bring a good driver with him.

Interesting stuff I reckon.

Cheers
Trev.

Hi there
Great information Trevor.
Just a correction: It's Epsom ( Bendigo Jockey Club racecourse) not Epping ( In Syndney) where GD raced.

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Hi there
Great information Trevor.
Just a correction: It's Epsom ( Bendigo Jockey Club racecourse) not Epping ( In Syndney) where GD raced.

You got me mate!.
I'd cut and pasted the wrong track name.
You've probably worked out I don't much like information being wrong or incomplete.
So thanks for that, if you ever see a mistake in something I've written please do mention it!.

Cheers
Trev.