Winter!

Big boys and girls all starting to warm up in Brissy. 4yo not too far away. Personally cant wait, LOVE Torque In Motion, cant wait to see her get tested for the first time since Aussie Oaks. Lanercost will be a very very short price fav. Deserves to be, won the Chariots in a canter, and the way he went last night he looks to be right on track. Still have my ? on him at 2100 in a crack field. Will be great to see. Blacks A Fake to go around, no Smoken Up, no Mr Feelgood, didnt think I'd get to see him again, let alone have a chance of winning a feature at Albion Park. Anyway whats everyone elses throughts ??

G''day Dazza,
I think some mates of mine are sending their filly Jenna's Highview up there for the Oaks.
She's fast, tough and she finishes her races off very strongly. I think she'll really like AP.

She need's to be all that and more if Courageous annie and Carabella turn up to race.

...and the sun rises in the East and sets in the West.

I'll take that as a yes.

You may. :p She will be a FFA mare at 4yrs & beyond, no risk. They're going to get a lot of enjoyment out of her. Queen Of The Pacific/George Johnson/Princess Mile etc. Sorry for the choppy reply, drops in and out...freaking Tesltra or whoever.

I think she is a nice filly as well but i think what ever she does this year she will come back better for it next time in.

Hey triple very handy horse your mates have, I know a few young fellas from around wagga own a reasonably handy 3yold Il Tesoro that is racing in vic when talking to 1 of the owners he said they werent going to go because they thought it would just be to tough with thorns crew, annie and possibly carabella, Anyone know the programme for carabella yet or still TBA?

The strength of/depth to the 3yo fillies ranks is pretty amazing at the moment.
I find this especially satisfying because I've always liked the 2yo & 3yo fillies races and in terms of the 3yo Division's relative class from year to year... there have been times in the recent past when it was verging on the looney old relative who lives up in the attic that nobody talks about.

She must be better than Oscar !!

This might be a seperate point; but the 3yo fillies in NSW are pretty ordinary imo.

Im pretty certain Carabella is not coming to QLD, but irrespective of that Baby Bling is heading up. We cant just give the race to Dean! :):)

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She must be better than Oscar !!

This might be a seperate point; but the 3yo fillies in NSW are pretty ordinary imo.

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I think you are way off. In fact, i think it is an unbelievably strong crop racing there - Vertigal, Bainfield Washington, Baby Bling, Jennas Highview. If not for injury, Sheezallattitude would be included as well.

In any other year, any of those could be multiple Oaks winners by the end of the season

Hi Aussiebreno

I'd have to say it's not an ordinary group, i'd say we have 5-6 good fillies who are pretty even on ability and anyone of them with the right draw can win a nice race. I think over the years there's been 1-2 fillies standout above the rest which is not the case at the present time. Which i see as a good thing for racing and just not a one sided affair.

Mightymo; are you taking the urine? The top NSW fillies get beat up by Aussie Made Lombo and Courageous Lombo. Vertigal and Bainfeld Washington both finished behind them in the Vic and NSW Oaks. Baby Bling hasnt done anything :s, or anything 10 Victorian fillies haven't done. As for Jennas Highview...she got beat at Wagga in a 32 final quarter...now Wagga mightnt compare to Meadowlands or Menangle; but it aint quicksand either.
As for Sheezallattitude; I think the APG Heat cleared up who is better out of her and Aussie Made. The NSW Oaks had only 5 NSW runners in it; hardly a strong crop.
The only thing I can think of is you are looking at the times and forgetting they race at Menangle; and not Harold Park ;)

Name your fillies Mango? Vertigal and Bainfeld Washington are top 2 imo; if those two are in the same race its hard to see something else winning (Although the Raith Memorial proves me wrong there but then I go back to the Wagga 32 final quarter race). It isnt a bad crop; the Breeders Challenge will be an ok race but it doesnt compare to most years Vicbred in terms of class. If I wanted to watch a nice even race where everyone has a chance I'd go on Mario Karts 150CC or to Coolamon Trials. If I want to see the best 3yo fillies; I go to Melton!

Hi Aussiebreno

I'm comparing 3yr old fillies between themselves in n.s.w if you read my post, i didn't compare them to horses from other states. So in saying that there are no standouts for me and the fillies that Mightymo said are even on ability.

Yes Mango, my first paragraph is aimed at Mightymo calling it an unbeleivably strong crop. My 2nd paragraph is about strictly NSW; I dont think they are much good at all. Arterial Way isnt much good and at the moment I see her making the final based on a win and third in the heats. The second part of my post was just me saying I'd rather the top horses dominate than 2nd rate horses put up a good show and a competitive race (which is just personal preference as I can see where you are coming from).

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Mightymo; are you taking the urine? The top NSW fillies get beat up by Aussie Made Lombo and Courageous Lombo. Vertigal and Bainfeld Washington both finished behind them in the Vic and NSW Oaks. Baby Bling hasnt done anything :s, or anything 10 Victorian fillies haven't done. As for Jennas Highview...she got beat at Wagga in a 32 final quarter...now Wagga mightnt compare to Meadowlands or Menangle; but it aint quicksand either.
As for Sheezallattitude; I think the APG Heat cleared up who is better out of her and Aussie Made. The NSW Oaks had only 5 NSW runners in it; hardly a strong crop.
The only thing I can think of is you are looking at the times and forgetting they race at Menangle; and not Harold Park ;)

Name your fillies Mango? Vertigal and Bainfeld Washington are top 2 imo; if those two are in the same race its hard to see something else winning (Although the Raith Memorial proves me wrong there but then I go back to the Wagga 32 final quarter race). It isnt a bad crop; the Breeders Challenge will be an ok race but it doesnt compare to most years Vicbred in terms of class. If I wanted to watch a nice even race where everyone has a chance I'd go on Mario Karts 150CC or to Coolamon Trials. If I want to see the best 3yo fillies; I go to Melton!

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what is your definition of NSW fillies - I agree that the NSW breeders Challenge fillies outside of Vertigal are very weak this year.

However, there are many other fillies based in NSW and I really do believe that in Rainbow Dasher(who i previously forgot)Bainfield Washington, Baby Bling and Jennas Highview are every bit as good now as 3yo's as Aussie made etc

Carabella in NZ and Courageous Annie in Aust are definitely the yardsticks for now

We will find out over the next few weeks....

NSW Breeders, and NSW based; they need as much they can get.
Vertigal and Bainfield Washington are the best two; and they both got told who's boss by Aussie Made Lombo and Courageous Annie. Rainbow Dasher and Jennas Highview go good and deserve spots in Oaks type races but aren't 'unbelieavable strong' highlighted by them not being able to win in a 32 final quarter at Wagga. Baby Bling has done nothing thousands of other 3yo fillies havent done in the last 10 years :s. Its just plain jane ordinary crop.

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As for Jennas Highview...she got beat at Wagga in a 32 final quarter...now Wagga mightnt compare to Meadowlands or Menangle; but it aint quicksand either.

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G'day Breno,

You might want to go back and watch the replay of that one. Pay particular attention to the drive of one A.G. Bucca aboard Rainbow Dasher. Also, the Kingston Town moment in the call from around the 400m where the bloke on the microphone notes the 1st three and then declares that "no one else can win..." and the eventual winner comes from 4 lengths off them and 6th. Love the early Crow. ;););););)

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NSW Breeders, and NSW based; they need as much they can get.
Vertigal and Bainfield Washington are the best two; and they both got told who's boss by Aussie Made Lombo and Courageous Annie. Rainbow Dasher and Jennas Highview go good and deserve spots in Oaks type races but aren't 'unbelieavable strong' highlighted by them not being able to win in a 32 final quarter at Wagga. Baby Bling has done nothing thousands of other 3yo fillies havent done in the last 10 years :s. Its just plain jane ordinary crop.

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I look at the current 3yo fillies crop from the National come across the Tasman perspective and IMO it is VERY strong. State by State wise, maybe not so much. On a related note, the yet to be tested on the National stage but nonetheless aspiring killer is that wicked fast Yankee Sensation 2yo filly in WA, Sensational Gabby. She's got really effortless high speed and looks like a monster 5 for 5, 1:56 & a piece and 30k+ but it's pretty hard to get a line on the overall quality of her opposition.

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I look at the current 3yo fillies crop from the National come across the Tasman perspective and IMO it is VERY strong. State by State wise, maybe not so much. On a related note, the yet to be tested on the National stage but nonetheless aspiring killer is that wicked fast Yankee Sensation 2yo filly in WA, Sensational Gabby. She's got really effortless high speed and looks like a monster 5 for 5, 1:56 & a piece and 30k+ but it's pretty hard to get a line on the overall quality of her opposition.

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Overall, the current crop depth of 3yo fillies across Aust/NZ is as good as I can ever remember...

Geeze....if I didn't see it with my own eyes. Wagga, NSW is The Meadows Pa. of the Southern Hemiphere. It's a God damned favourite's graveyard. :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused:

Talking about Wagga Vertigal got beat today in a slow M.R of 2:05.1

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G'day Breno,

You might want to go back and watch the replay of that one. Pay particular attention to the drive of one A.G. Bucca aboard Rainbow Dasher. Also, the Kingston Town moment in the call from around the 400m where the bloke on the microphone notes the 1st three and then declares that "no one else can win..." and the eventual winner comes from 4 lengths off them and 6th. Love the early Crow. ;););););)

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In fairness to Alan Hull he didnt know Arterial Way was racing without a right rein that night! Bucca forgot the winning post is at the end of the home straight; not the start didn't he? I think thats right; but it was a long and bloody cold night that night.

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I look at the current 3yo fillies crop from the National come across the Tasman perspective and IMO it is VERY strong. State by State wise, maybe not so much. On a related note, the yet to be tested on the National stage but nonetheless aspiring killer is that wicked fast Yankee Sensation 2yo filly in WA, Sensational Gabby. She's got really effortless high speed and looks like a monster 5 for 5, 1:56 & a piece and 30k+ but it's pretty hard to get a line on the overall quality of her opposition.

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Yeah agree nationally.

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Overall, the current crop depth of 3yo fillies across Aust/NZ is as good as I can ever remember...

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Ive said it before and Ill say it again; nothing can beat the Oaxica Lass year for mine. The 1998 foals. It was sensational imo.

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Geeze....if I didn't see it with my own eyes. Wagga, NSW is The Meadows Pa. of the Southern Hemiphere. It's a God damned favourite's graveyard. :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused:

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Vertigal had never run that in her life, she is used to running 1 lap not 2.5 ;)

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Talking about Wagga Vertigal got beat today in a slow M.R of 2:05.1

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Vertigal is very hot and cold isnt she. Excellent third in the NSW Oaks; but then runs like that.

G'day Breno,
Slow early sectionals, track size and her own racing style have conspired to beat her.
I don't think she's at her very best...she's not seen at the peak of her powers...on small tracks and this especially so with a muddling pace on.
I think she's a big track horse and I say that's because of the way that she will just keep on coming at the end of her races.
On a small track with a short stretch you'll find that pretty much by the time she gets wound up and is really rolling all of a sudden the winning post is there. That happened today, inside of the last 20-30m she had just got to top gear but it was just a fraction too late. Another 20-30m or so and she wins it pretty comfortably. Run that same race on Menangle & she draws off by 10-15.

Yes the form line just doesnt stack up (stating obvious). One direct line is Arterial Way would have Sign of Sally at Wagga; then beat Sign on Sally despite doing all the work at Young (maybe Sign of Sally done some work as well or was unlucky I forget) and then Vertigal toyed with Arterial Way a fortnight ago.
I think you must be correct in what you are saying about Vertigal.

G'day Breno,
There's no real insight on my part, just rather painful experiences from years gone by.
We had (unfortunately she died) a lovely mare a few years ago now & she was as strong as an Ox...could go to the front or face the breeze...she loved to stare other horses down from out there... and she could pace 1:57s-1:58s 1:59's all day long for a mile & a 1/4 to a mile & a 1/2....but on the smaller tracks if she was driven in such a way that she sat back off them & tried to come home over the top with one sweep, unless they had gone absolutely beserk on the lead she could get herself beaten in 2:04 & look ordinary doing it.
We ultimately found that the bigger the tracks she raced on, the deeper in grade she got and the more up-tempo her races tended to become as a result, the better she raced.
It used to look a touch spotty at times because of bad draws in races run at a muddling tempo on half mile tracks but put her on a big track with the better ones and she came into her own.

Rainbow Dasher is being sent up to Qld for the Oaks. And for a bit of trivia - Mrs Bucca was one of my high school teachers! Small world! :)

Since the day I seen Joyous Times get close toi Courageous Annie Ive had my doubts on here over 2100, (much like Lanercost) but I think she will run it out, however would be better served running along, even 30's. I think we may see darrel drive her more that way during the carnival. Not too up to speed on the interstate horses. Love Forever Gold, gives 110% but apparently shes had a few setbacks. Sat 3 wide solo with Caesars Folly on her back tho and beat a crack field. If shes right I'll be gunning for her.

just been reading this post then watched a race at menangel where jennas highview was in.
i dont think her owners or trainer will be taking her to queensland based on that performance. she worked to the lead early, doing it easily and they ran along fairly slowly before tailling off finishing third, and 4th and 5th horses nearly beat her home.
baby bling will def be going based on her win but wasnt against much.
Looks like it will be a walk in the park for courageous annie in all the oaks up north!

I thought Courageous Annie went nice today and i think she will only improve the more she races.

Jennas Highview didnt lead. Erle Dale led, and Jenna sat in the breeze the whole race and battled on very well.

Im pretty certain she is still heading North.

Baby Bling is definitely going. It will be interesting to see how she measures up to Annie and others. I hope she silences a few knockers...:):)

sorry i didnt explain that well, i meant to say death.
they still ran slowish time for those horses.
i would be very suprised if they took her to qld. although some people like to waste plenty of money on tripping there horses around in hope of winning.

Yeah Liked Courageous Annie today, Throught the little stablemate went massive also. Should be a interesting race. Courageous Annie has the raw speed and can hit the ground running faster than any other 3yo fillie around were as I think Forever Gold might stay a little bit the better. I cant see anything from interstate coming and worrying them. QLD are blessed at the moment. Great talent acros both sexes for the boys and girls.

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sorry i didnt explain that well, i meant to say death.
they still ran slowish time for those horses.
i would be very suprised if they took her to qld. although some people like to waste plenty of money on tripping there horses around in hope of winning.

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dont forget the track copped a deluge. All races were about 2 seconds slower than normal

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Yes the form line just doesnt stack up (stating obvious). One direct line is Arterial Way would have Sign of Sally at Wagga; then beat Sign on Sally despite doing all the work at Young (maybe Sign of Sally done some work as well or was unlucky I forget) and then Vertigal toyed with Arterial Way a fortnight ago.
I think you must be correct in what you are saying about Vertigal.

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G'day Breno,

You saw the real Vertigal last night. That's what I was waffling on about.
She's a big time, big $ race , big track filly. Half milers with 150m stretches are just not her scene.
Whilst on the subject of big...BIG CONGRATS to the Vertigal connections. Good fellas all and a well deserved win.

After last night, I think I was wrong about Lanercost. Ran along at an even tempo and just left em for dead in the straight. 56 I think he went over the 2100. Going to be very very hard to beat in a few weeks time.

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G'day Breno,

You saw the real Vertigal last night. That's what I was waffling on about.
She's a big time, big $ race , big track filly. Half milers with 150m stretches are just not her scene.
Whilst on the subject of big...BIG CONGRATS to the Vertigal connections. Good fellas all and a well deserved win.

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Correct. Only listened on radio but by sounds of it she just went bang and put lengths on them.
Rest went ordinary though. 2.00 and the closest horse got 20m away and in the other heat they only went 2.02. Thats like 2.06 on a typical half mile track.

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After last night, I think I was wrong about Lanercost. Ran along at an even tempo and just left em for dead in the straight. 56 I think he went over the 2100. Going to be very very hard to beat in a few weeks time.

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Liked the call of that race. "Going...going....he's GONE! He's outa here Lanercost." :D:D:D