Mr. X

Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by The Rainmaker

Just to put this whole saga into perspective in comparison to Chris Gleeson and the Coloresque scandal back in the mid 90's, think of this. Gleeson deliberatley pulled his horse with a fake gear problem in one race, and backed the opposition, the only people this would have had a detrimental effect on would be the punters who backed Coloresque in that one race, and the owners of the horse (and thats if they did not know what was going on). Gleeson was swiftly made an example of and rubbed out for 'life' (I believe his disqualification was overturned last year, some 14 years after the event).

And now:

We have several trainers and drivers, bribing officials to get 'the green light' so they will not be swabbed after a particular race, and proceed to 'juice' their runners and plunge on the horses in those races. If there were 10 runners in the race, it has a detrimental effect to all the owners of the 9 other horses, all the trainers of the 9 other horses and all punters who backed the 9 other horses. Now thats just from one race, this has happened in multiple races over many, many months, so add all that up. And what are HRNSW doing now it's all come out into the open? They are sheltering those involved, and they are actually letting them continue to participate in our sport. It is an absolute joke. I believe HRNSW would be wise to hit this nail on the head as soon as possible, name and shame these cheats, rub them out and worry about the ramifications later. The longer this drags on the more and more honest people will keep walking away from our sport.

Thats the best post ive seen on here well done Rainmaker

I agree too. They made some pretty strong statements about what they were going to do early on that were encouraging but its all gone off the boil a bit recently. Some actions to back up the words would do wonders for everyone.

I too would absolutely love to have these bastards f***ed off forever and a day. The initial wait will, hopefully, be worth it. But HRNSW can't go naming and getting rid of blokes. Innocent to proven guilty is the law.

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

The initial wait will, hopefully, be worth it. But HRNSW can't go naming and getting rid of blokes. Innocent to proven guilty is the law.

Not only that, but if they don't follow procedure these guys will get off due to technicalities/natural justice arguments.

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name and shame these cheats, rub them out and worry about the ramifications later.

You do it this way Rainmaker, these people will be back within 5 minutes - THAT is the ramification. You can't just be a bull at the gate and worry about ramifications later!! Then they well and truly won't be "rubbed out for life" as you put it :)

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Originally Posted by The Rainmaker

And what are HRNSW doing now it's all come out into the open? They are sheltering those involved, and they are actually letting them continue to participate in our sport. It is an absolute joke. I believe HRNSW would be wise to hit this nail on the head as soon as possible, name and shame these cheats, rub them out and worry about the ramifications later. The longer this drags on the more and more honest people will keep walking away from our sport.

Some of you people have absolutely no idea about the legal course that needs to be taken. To worry about the ramifications later will only serve to ensure those that have gutted our sport will continue to remain participants. The days of dishing out disqualifications as in the Gleeson example are long gone! Today, more than ever, people know or think they know their rights. Their propensity to appeal penalties is second nature and all one has to do is look at the list of disqualifications and suspension that have been upheld at appeal over the last 2 years.

HRNSW have done the only thing possible by involving the NSW police. There are numerous criminal allegations that require investigation and the most reasonable and logical thing to do is to wait until they have been resolved before HRNSW takes actions in the form of disqualifications etc. For Sam and co to jump in now and deal with participants runs the extreme risk of jeopardising evidence that police require to successfuly prosecute those suspected of criminal actions. It's time some of you moved into the 21st Century and actually took note of reality rather than firing from the hip without thought!

Mark

I have not read this thread completely, so this could have already been stated. HRNSW should announce that they will update the public every week or every two weeks on the progress of the case,
it would not matter if they could not inform us with any new information, but it would be a comforting reminder for many people to know that they are still working towards the end of this mess.

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Originally Posted by justdoit

I have not read this thread completely, so this could have already been stated. HRNSW should announce that they will update the public every week or every two weeks on the progress of the case,
it would not matter if they could not inform us with any new information, but it would be a comforting reminder for many people to know that they are still working towards the end of this mess.

Let me start by saying there may no longer need to any further posts from the voice with" aussiebreno Flashing Red and Mark Groatto" all making so much sense.

I have a news flash for you Justdoit, it was just on a week ago that HRNSW warned off a driver Robbie Byrnes for failing to comply with directions in relation to this investigation.

Now I may be naive to the ways of the world but for me that is pretty comforting reminder that they are still working towards the end.

For those that do not know "warned Off" is the same as a disqualification except it has no expiry date so in real terms it is like getting life. pretty serious penalty and there have been two now since this all started.

I would have to check but I doubt justice was that swift with anyone in the "Coloresque" investigation.

They. that is HRNSW are doing a sterling job.

Your to good for me Voiceofreason,
My mistake, I should have put "it would be a comforting reminder for many the general public to know that they are still working towards the end of this mess".
It could also be naive of me:) in thinking that the masses only see the headlines.

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Originally Posted by justdoit

Your to good for me Voiceofreason,
My mistake, I should have put "it would be a comforting reminder for many the general public to know that they are still working towards the end of this mess".
It could also be naive of me:) in thinking that the masses only see the headlines.

With the greatest of respect the headlines show very clearly that the investigation continues full swing.

At this point in time considering the obvious complexities of this case any more information in the public arena may well work against the investigative process.

Remember after all it was the NSW police task force that put the gag order on HRNSW in relation to their media statements.