Harness racing shame

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Originally Posted by Danno

righto aussie echo, how about you give us the figures??

I have no idea. In human beginners I'd guess 7.5% a month, 5% a month for intermediate and 2.5% for advanced. Maybe <1% for elite. I will repeat though, I have no idea what the figures actually are I'm just guessing based on experience in training my own body.
In horses I'd also imagine these numbers are even lower for reasons such as they are already superior horses and they can't talk to you and tell you things.

[QUOTE=aussiebreno;15133]I have no idea.

spot on

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Hey You Boy's Really Get into it on here , Most fun I've had since The I Love Lucey Show.

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Originally Posted by racefair

Hi Jamie, Tom Ivers was a just book that sprang to mind while quickly making that post. Your'e a smart guy who knows/reads alot. What is the biggest improvement recorded in scientific literature by any research scientists (without drugs) that you've read? It would be also interesting to see how long it took to get those improvements.

[VVV] Sorry Jett, you hit on a bit of a raw nerve there.
Many years ago Ivers was actually a member of the forerunner to the US Harnesslist, it was called Post Parade, and I was also member of that forum.
While being fortunate enough to have as it's members fellas such as Murray Brown, the late Kurt Greene, Ralph Succee etc. it also had a few real loonies in residence.
Valley Vic, a fella singularly obsessed with a beer by the name of Rolling Rock was one who springs to mind and for different reasons but not so far behind him was Tom Ivers.
Time & time again Tom would bang on about Interval Training & Carbo-loading...the latter being a theory that he had whereby he claimed that with the right type of diet & training a horseman could not just load but in fact 'overload' the cells of the body with carbohydrate energy & thus gain an edge over the competition.
This, he claimed, specifically when fed in conjunction with Interval Training, was just the bee's knees. :eek::eek::eek::eek:
As fortune would have it he just so happened to also sell the mystical super carbohyrdate compounds with which you could 'overload' your horse and sail to victory. Of course it flew in the face of all known science to that point and like all such snake oil sales, it still does.
On the subject of improvements, do you mean specifically performance wise in racehorses...or just pretty much anything at all?
As far as Standardbreds are concerned, I think it's generally accepted that the speed explosion started with the siring deeds of Meadow Skipper but I don't believe it to be the case that the horse himself was the one and only factor at work. His emergence as a sire of raw speed coincided with adoption of AI, vast improvements in training methods, catch drivers, better feeding & vet care, improved racetrack and race bike design etc. That might be getting off the track a bit though.

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Originally Posted by triplev123

[VVV] Sorry Jett, you hit on a bit of a raw nerve there.
Many years ago Ivers was actually a member of the forerunner to the US Harnesslist, it was called Post Parade, and I was also member of that forum.
While being fortunate enough to have as it's members fellas such as Murray Brown, the late Kurt Greene, Ralph Succee etc. it also had a few real loonies in residence.
Valley Vic, a fella singularly obsessed with a beer by the name of Rolling Rock was one who springs to mind and for different reasons but not so far behind him was Tom Ivers.
Time & time again Tom would bang on about Interval Training & Carbo-loading...the latter being a theory that he had whereby he claimed that with the right type of diet & training a horseman could not just load but in fact 'overload' the cells of the body with carbohydrate energy & thus gain an edge over the competition.
This, he claimed, specifically when fed in conjunction with Interval Training, was just the bee's knees. :eek::eek::eek::eek:
As fortune would have it he just so happened to also sell the mystical super carbohyrdate compounds with which you could 'overload' your horse and sail to victory. Of course it flew in the face of all known science to that point and like all such snake oil sales, it still does.
On the subject of improvements, do you mean specifically performance wise in racehorses...or just pretty much anything at all?
As far as Standardbreds are concerned, I think it's generally accepted that the speed explosion started with the siring deeds of Meadow Skipper but I don't believe it to be the case that the horse himself was the one and only factor at work. His emergence as a sire of raw speed coincided with adoption of AI, vast improvements in training methods, catch drivers, better feeding & vet care, improved racetrack and race bike design etc. That might be getting off the track a bit though.

WOW at the risk of repeating myself .
That was one heck of a reply to a chap making a point about it being almost impossible to achieve dramatic improvement in fitness in a short time.

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Originally Posted by HARNESSTRAGIC

WOW at the risk of repeating myself .
That was one heck of a reply to a chap making a point about it being almost impossible to achieve dramatic improvement in fitness in a short time.

Sorry buddy but have to agree with 123 here your man selling all this shite is full off shite

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Originally Posted by Itisi

Sorry buddy but have to agree with 123 here your man selling all this shite is full off shite

I Will certainly take that highly inteligent thought provoking advice on board for future reference .
Thank you Itisi

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Originally Posted by Itisi

Sorry buddy but have to agree with 123 here your man selling all this shite is full off shite

[VVV] Nah, no more sales Mick. Tom fell off his pearch a few years ago now.
The ridiculous thing was that old mate's idea of smashing bucket loads of carbohydrates into a horse is easily the quickest way to get them to develop severe systemic lactic acidosis and founder, both by way of the overload of sugars fermenting in their stomach.

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Originally Posted by triplev123

[VVV] Nah, no more sales Mick. Tom fell off his pearch a few years ago now.
The ridiculous thing was that old mate's idea of smashing bucket loads of carbohydrates into a horse is easily the quickest way to get them to develop severe systemic lactic acidosis and founder, both by way of the overload of sugars fermenting in their stomach.

Here is an article about the man that tripple 123 is ridiculing ,calling old mate , and dismissing he's life time work. http://hoofcare.blogspot.com/2005/11...ence-guru.html

Note the author refers to Tom as a brilliant Man , Funny I don't recall too many (except a couple of his loyal subjects) describing tripple 123 in this way.