Wade Birch has been stood down from his position of integrity officer
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Wade Birch has been stood down from his position of integrity officer
Very Interesting, Sounds like the Chickens have come home to roost!!
I suggest it has got more to do with the greyhounds saga than the Cobalt one.
All to do with the greysQuote:
Originally Posted by Pena
They have named a north Qld gallops trainer for using cobalt chloride no presumption of innocence there.
Does anyone know what happened to the Tyndall and Chapple Appeals last week.
I am guessing by the fact that the HRNSW stewards PR machine has not released a media release either they did not get the result they wanted or there has been an adjournment. Suspension or confirmation of suspension media release in 24 hours. Otherwise NOTHING!!!!!
I actually attended the Industrial Relations Court last week and heard some of these hearings.
Dean Chapple got an adjournment to obtain further evidence so it is not going to occur for at least a month, it was all over fairly swiftly.
I saw some of the Noel Tyndall appeal and I must say after an hour and a half had to leave. The appeal was all about legal technicalities and I got the impression was going to take a long time to resolve. I think the fact that the Day/McDowell appeal in the court system is still ongoing will make it very difficult to resolve some of the issues that were raised.
Thanks for the update Boydy but I see the HRNSW site is yet to update the Appeals Pending or give a media release with regards these 2 cases. Although the Detention Barn got its own media release. I am amazed how many people accept this rubbish. Or maybe its only the vocal minority.
I take my hat off to ray Murrihy he knows how to fight the good fight and does not make it a personal crusade.
Darren Smith deserves everything he gets for injecting his horses with a substance provided from a disqualified person but Murrihy is smart enough to know he can still give him a massive penalty without having to go down the long road of court litigation debating the specifics of cobalt levels etc. This issue certainly is not dead in harness racing and I am tipping it will go on for a number of years.
http://www.racingnsw.com.au/default....splay&id=17331
Darren smith found guilty 62 charges.
With the subject of court litagation didnt the connections of Smokin up use that .
High as 6000 some of them. And Ray Thomas (don't really know much about him but some regard him as Sydney's leading racing expert) on Big Sports Breakfast this morning describes Darren's fate as ''bad luck' lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
6000!!! Administered with a Bob Cat !!Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
I believe Victorian trainer has a positive to cobalt ,trainer stood down ,horse has been scratched tonight and all engagements this week have been scratched
I can't understand why HRV don't make it known.
Looks like all horses trained by Parwon ( near Melton) trainer Craig Demmler have been scratched from Melton, Maryborough and Kilmore.
Demmler suspended pending cobalt inquiry
http://www.harnesslink.com/Internati...-doing-demmler
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horse...19-1m3355.html
Well, well the smoking gun appears and looks as if it was found out by complete accident, good old Australia Post.
This should not surprise anyone as to the extent that this stuff was being used.
I know there are rotten apples in every profession but how can you be a vet or a trainer and not be a true horse-lover.
I hope that reference to 'rogue' vet was not intimating that a vet could have been doping without the trainer's knowledge/approval.
Answer: moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
To summarize
Neil Day got 4yrs
Dean McDowell got 4½yrs
and both face a fresh charge for not attending
There is really no penalty in the Dean Mcdowell situation as his father has taken over training the team same horses still racingQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
There is nothing you can do about that Brian. Dean would not be allowed to set foot on the premises, he has been punished and you would think that his family and others would have to have learnt what is expected in future.
Yes realise that and know Col he had a cc reading on one of his horses of 200 so so close to being over wasnt funny.I know now it will be tough on the family but horses they have are all owned by Cols company Allied express so hard to believe they wouldnt have known what was going on as Col drove them as well in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Both the horses are in on Tuesday at Menangle.
Don't worry, I hear what you are saying Brian. Reading the linked article, it would seem there is a chance that the limit could go down to 100. Embarrassing to think that Australian horses were left out of the testing as they fear too many of ours would be tainted. The heading of the article in my copy of The Age is actually 'Australia gets Cobalt pass' which is very ambiguous and could be read as a good thing
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horse...22-1m4y3z.html
It's relieving to know after reading that link Kevin that at least Australian Horse sports are seen as being at the "leading edge" to the point we cannot be included in a study on illegal drugs so as not to misrepresent the conclusions that study might find........and there are STILL some people trying to pretend this evil substance is "nothing":rolleyes:
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...-for-30-months
The horse Glenthorne subsequently lost his win in the final too as he has now been disqualified in the heat thanks to the positive (and therefore did not belong in the final)
What about the track record he set later that month? Should that be erased from the books?
Absolutley!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Very good question Kev, whilst at first glance one would say yes, if the horse didn't have a positive then that leaves things more open, Remember Lance!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
True Dan, If they suspected that the horse was on something, It's a wonder that they didn't keep testing it in its following runs and although it did come up with a couple of positives previously, You just can't assume that it was still on the same substance if it hasn't been tested.
Great to see HRNSW now have their new pin up prohibited substance Argon and Xenon.
What's next Fairy Dust and Holy water.
When I see Peter Moody still spending millions of dollars at the yearling sales I can't but think they know more than the general public does.
A new pin up prohibited substance like Capsaican and Cobalt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pena
Oh dear how dare HRNSW target this stuff. Better they tie their hands behind their back and let the cheats go open slather...
One alternative would have been for PM to direct his clients with money to spend to other trainers thus harming his business before the cobalt findings are even completedQuote:
Originally Posted by Pena
Five Times The Threshold...
At the Meadowlands
http://www.harnesslink.com/Internati...d-on-integrity
Are Victorian harness racing stewards testing for cobalt?
I wish they had stated what the cobalt reading was Noel. I am not sure whether the horse had five times the threshold 5x200 or maybe 5x100 or Five times the normal level typically found in a horses system which would have to be something like 5x5Quote:
Originally Posted by Adaptor
I think Craig Demmler would say they test for cobalt in Vic
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...ppeal-declined
Please Brenno. If you don't realise this is all about ego then you are in denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Is there actually any evidence that Cobalt is an should be a Class 1 at 200.
The answer is categorically no and I hope the McDowell/Day case wins and shows what a joke this whole thing is.
The whole Gural situation is a complete farce. To start with privately owned track that did not want the horse to be allowed to race. Note he owns the track and oversees all the testing. Does anybody see a conflict of interest there. HELLO!! This is the same bloke that barred George Brennan from the track because he would not race exclusively there. Taking any notice of the farce that is the Meadowlands and other Gural owned tracks is just laughable.
Hey Jack, I think it was Brian Seers that was barred for a time and I believe that George Brennan was cleared to drive at Gural's tracks once they had a sit down and chat.
Please Jack. What are your thoughts on this previously linked article? Do you think the whole racing world is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pena
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horse...22-1m4y3z.html