BOOM.....McCarthy Positive.

assuming that they will be found guilty. Will it be a monetary fine like Gai got??? I am guessing not.

Teecee I agree your theroy is plausible. But with the length of time that boldenone stays in the system I imagine a swab sample could still be taken today to prove this theroy right or wrong. Also it is possible that stewards have kept samples from this horse despite being cleared. If your idea is correct these samples should also be retested.

For me I still think theres been some type of error in the equipment at the lab.

I still think it was strange for hrnsw the make this public damaging both trainers names before undertaking more investigations into what is without dought very strange.

The fact to that the rumers are spot on is even sadder and proves nothing is private at HRNSW and the organization is about as watertight as a piece of fly screen and that stinks.

Gai got fined ten grand but her defense case cost at least twice that.

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[VVV] Completely off topic but one of my Mum's cousins is/was married to a bloke by the name of Paul Graham. He was one of the first Mr. Universe types here in Oz. As a kid, to me he looked like a Mountain. Years later I saw him and once he'd stopped training he faded away to just another bloke in the street.

Small world I used to train with Paul regularly at his gym would that be carol you are mentioning and yes he was a mountain of a man but not in height .

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Teecee I agree your theroy is plausible. But with the length of time that boldenone stays in the system I imagine a swab sample could still be taken today to prove this theroy right or wrong. Also it is possible that stewards have kept samples from this horse despite being cleared. If your idea is correct these samples should also be retested.

For me I still think theres been some type of error in the equipment at the lab.

I still think it was strange for hrnsw the make this public damaging both trainers names before undertaking more investigations into what is without dought very strange.

The fact to that the rumers are spot on is even sadder and proves nothing is private at HRNSW and the organization is about as watertight as a piece of fly screen and that stinks.

Andy, I think you will fin that the A and B samples were tested at different labs. That makes it extremely unlikely that there is a lab equipment error involved.

I think you will find the B sample and Control were tested in Hong Kong, which will make it difficult for the contamination argument. as 2 Labs used. The only other possibility for contamination is at the point of taking the sample but a clear Control is a great worry there.
The stallion reason could be some reason but you would think Mr. Feelgood would be a contender there.

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I think you will find the B sample and Control were tested in Hong Kong, which will make it difficult for the contamination argument. as 2 Labs used. The only other possibility for contamination is at the point of taking the sample but a clear Control is a great worry there.
The stallion reason could be some reason but you would think Mr. Feelgood would be a contender there.

I thought the same Tested in 2 different labs.I for one dont know if guilty or not but does have a positive swab so at this stage is until HE proves they are false
As for the other trainer i have never heard of him as i avoid Nsw harness because of a few reasons but one is the domination of Luke and what i have been told.

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Hi Jamie, I'm unsure why you don't understand the mixed reaction.

[VVV] You have me wrong there Jett. I completely understand the mixed reaction.
I am just trying to point out the (very,very predictable) incredible hypocrisy of it from the perspective of those who have made disparaging remarks about Luke (on the basis of him getting a positive) were clearly waiting in the wings for him to sneeze so they could all play pile on (eg. my friend's comment re: they'd get Luke for a Panadol if they could)...whilst not lining up and doing the same about Barry getting one... because he was of course not on their radar.
The fact is, both guys on the face of it have 1, they each have a single positive BUT Luke is the one who cops all the moral outrage, the pre-judgement and slanderous commentary and all that on the basis that he simply wins more races...and because of that, in response there are those around who apparently feel that his positive carries more weight in terms of the amount of public derision it deserves. END

LM is winning around 60% of the races that he enters. So any trainer has less than 50% chance of winning a race when they see LM as trainer in their race. Now that's no reason to be jealous or upset, however LM couples this with extraordinary improvements in record time. This radical improvement has a lot thinking that it's unnatural and has to be due to the use of performance enhancing drugs, whether they be legal, illegal or undetectable. The crowd has gone crazy because the positive for LM on Boldenene proves to them that he's treating his horses and in a way or form that is beating the system.

[VVV] There's that bit about Panadol from my mate again. The negative Nellies have been lying in wait for him. END.

Barry Lew doesn't win as many races and his wins aren't in the same extraordinary fashion.

[VVV] Exactly...and so enters what I believe to be the abject hypocrisy of the arguments from the anti-Luke brigade. By and large their outrage is not about the positive at all, rather it cloaked in the let's have clean racing garb but it is in reality solely aimed at dragging him back to the field. END.

People are emotional for a few reasons; they have been slandered on this forum and elsewhere as jealous and poor trainers with names like peanut gallery and this positive would seem to open the door on confirming their thoughts around the reasons why LM gets horses to fly.

[VVV] I can understand that to a degree but the Lord helps those who help themselves.
Standing at the bar at yearling sales drinking beers and burbons doesn't ever get it done.
Anyone only needed to be in attendance at the Sydney APG and the day prior and make note of the bigger team NSW Trainers who were there...and how hard they were working in terms of looking at yearlings to get a fair heads up on who is serious and who is not...at least at the deeper end of the pool. Luke was out there, Barry was there, as were Neil Day, Peter Rixon, Peter Russo and from what I saw that was pretty much it. Maybe I have done others a big disservice & they also were there but I didn't see them.
Outside of NSW...Mark Purdon and Natalie were there on Saturday whilst Andy Gath, Noel Alexander & Jayne Davies all never stopped looking both on Saturday and Sunday. It's as always the old story. The harder you work the luckier you get. END.

Regards

Jaimie

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Have a look back at post 132. The forum administrator has an answer to your query.