Charges laid in swabbing scandal

I have a couple of questions for those in the know:

1. The Daily Telegraph named 37 races under Police investigation stemming from the charges laid against Paul O'Toole. There are trainers and drivers who participated in those races and no charges have been laid against them as yet. If there is not enough evidence to charge these people, then why cant HRNSW stand these people down under Australian Harness Racing Rule 183, which states a trainer or driver may be directed not take part in a race "pending the outcome of an inquiry, investigation or objection, or where a person has been charged with an offence". There is obviously an inquiry and investigation into the races listed that those people participated in. So for the time being they can continue to compete in and win races as recently as last night, while others involved can still take the reins at Penrith tonight as well as at the Group 1 Truer Memorial meeting at Bankstown on Saturday.

2. Where is one M. Bentley in all of this? Paul O'Toole is copping all the heat thus far and this was not the man flashing his new found wealth around Sydney by wearing fancy suits and blowing stacks of cash at Star City Casino night in night out.

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Originally Posted by David Summers

Not sure if Admin were online , but I reported the outrageous post a couple of minutes after it was posted and it was quickly removed. Thank you Admin for your quick work.

Chris Edwards , now that you are on an enforced holiday from these forums (hopefully permanent) , time for you to wake up to yourself and stop posting libellous crap.

[VVV] Amen to that.

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Originally Posted by The Rainmaker

I have a couple of questions for those in the know:

1. The Daily Telegraph named 37 races under Police investigation stemming from the charges laid against Paul O'Toole. There are trainers and drivers who participated in those races and no charges have been laid against them as yet. If there is not enough evidence to charge these people, then why cant HRNSW stand these people down under Australian Harness Racing Rule 183, which states a trainer or driver may be directed not take part in a race "pending the outcome of an inquiry, investigation or objection, or where a person has been charged with an offence". There is obviously an inquiry and investigation into the races listed that those people participated in. So for the time being they can continue to compete in and win races as recently as last night, while others involved can still take the reins at Penrith tonight as well as at the Group 1 Truer Memorial meeting at Bankstown on Saturday.

2. Where is one M. Bentley in all of this? Paul O'Toole is copping all the heat thus far and this was not the man flashing his new found wealth around Sydney by wearing fancy suits and blowing stacks of cash at Star City Casino night in night out.

O'Toole has "assisted" and given his list of races that were fixed. Although his list is well short of how many were HOT.
Bentley has not been so forthcoming with information so the Taskforce has to track these down.
To date those arrested have really only been fringe players as the Industry and its participants are crying out for action so these people have been named and arrested with enough evidence.
The "others" still racing particularly tonight are dreading every knock at the door....cos its coming.
Its only a matter of time but if these people are going to punished to be the full extent of the law they need to get all the relevant data to seal the deal. Betting activity has been very difficult to link with some of these clowns.
The phone calls are for all to see cos they thought it was safe on mobiles. I am aware of only one that used a prepaid mobile but even that wont help him.

I think everyone is aware of the ones still out there now with the exception of a couple of real surprises.....
If regularly on-course one can see the change in their demeanour and cockiness......Pleasant to view.
Cant wait til the day they are arrested as I for one will be letting them know exactly how I feel.

You might think that some of those racing tonight ( not just tonight) might be looking over their shoulders. No they are not looking to see what is coming to challenge , they are waiting for the inevitable tap on the shoulder that will lead to the end their corrupt careers.

Good riddance!! This lot who were so arrogant in the past and looked at the honest participants with utter contempt and spent a lot of time laughing behind their backs , can now not look anyone in the eyes and spend most of their time looking at the ground. You're gone you grubs.

G'day David,

I think the absolute contempt they've shown for their fellow participants is the very worst of it.
A slew of honest, hard working owners, trainers, drivers & punters who ask for nothing more & expect nothing less than a fair go have been extensively & repeatedly done over & that is deplorable. That is unforgivable. That is un-Australian.

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Originally Posted by Danno

Thanks for the thought Greg, s'pose I was looking for that coming at some stage and so just to clear the air.....none of the things one thinks of when ones mind is in the gutter. It's a product support role with the world's market leader in lubricants for mining, industry and transport.

Kind a job you don't get rusty at!

I think I'll delete that detail from the profile it's bound to cause me angst again isn't it?

Cheers,

Dan

No mind not in the gutter just didn't know what it was as many occupation's have name changes to make them sound more appealing i thought it must have been a new name for a driveway attendant ha ha

I've not been able to get out to Menangle too often , but in the past what I have seen clearly is the sheer arrogance and utter contempt shown by some of these corrupt stables to other genuine participants , trying to earn an honest buck , became so very obvious. Thank you to the whistleblower who got this investigation started.

Feeling volatile right now , but will keep my mouth closed ( for now) , but may these scum if found guilty rot in hell. How dare they do this to our beloved industry! Life bans if found guilty , there is no other option. May we never see these grubs names appear again.

having spoken to 1 of the 5 already arrested they are quiet confident of having charges dropped, beause there defence is "if my horse's were doped and the green light was given, well show me the results of the swabs......thats right there are no swabs so therefore all you have is zippo".......thats what he said to me.

Eric NRNSW got the names from the police on tuesday ? and have to run their own hearing so as to be acting inside the rules you have to be able to prove an offence was committed i think it will take a bit of time for Mr Murrihy (excuse the spelling )and the other 2 to go through the evidence thoroughly and that is good we don't want these fleas getting off due to shoddy procedure or hearsay.The way i see it it is the word of 1 man saying which horse's and or trainer's etc involved so a case has to be proven it is only hear say at the moment about some of them.

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Originally Posted by sharkie

having spoken to 1 of the 5 already arrested they are quiet confident of having charges dropped, beause there defence is "if my horse's were doped and the green light was given, well show me the results of the swabs......thats right there are no swabs so therefore all you have is zippo".......thats what he said to me.

They migh thave forgot about the "gaining money by deception " or whatever the wording is perhaps.