Can Drug Testing alone catch or stop DRUG cheats? - Richard Freedman on TripleM Radio

http://m.theage.com.au/sport/horsera...127-1o1ji.html
Here's one, it might jog memories.

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Originally Posted by dizzy

Mango those things are but a few examples in human history of things that we now find appalling that were legal, and during the time they were legal many people like yourself found them perfectly acceptable because they were legal. It was only when people began to question not whether they were legal but if they were right that in time changes were made to the law to make them illegal.

I thank you for your advice Mango but no matter how many times I look at myself I will not see fit to use anabolic steroids on my horses as a matter of course because it is legal.

Dot

Would you however use them on a gelding that had experienced a tuff time either a long preparation or breaking in and the vet said this needs a short break and a steroid might quicken his recovery.

Bill the answer is still no. Whilst I don't break my own I do train them and I would have pulled the pin on that stressfull a breaking in or a long preparation well before any consideration of the use of a steroid to improve recovery would arise. I've always found the best way to manage a "tuff time" is to stop before things get that bad

Dot, It has now got to the stage where the those with the loudest voice (posts) are now deleting anything that They find is not in sync. with their point of view. How sad

http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=99567
At least it's a start.

http://www.harnhttp://m.theage.com.a...e.cgi?ID=99549
Makes good reading

Absolutely Lee. I actually spend a lot of time reading the US message boards and pretty much to a man/women they all agree that it is the chemists that have ruined harness racing in the US, and if harness racing is to be saved then the chemist must be eliminated from the sport.

And you are right Lee definately some deletions from this thread now. I do remember the article from the age, which wasn't the only place it was printed, the photo that went with it was Greg Bennett on Excell Stride

Dot, if we (anyone) were to stopped by the Highway Patrol for using a Radar Detector and, as a reason offered, 'but I was only using IT to avoid being fined for speeding' what do you think their response might be? Ring a bell?

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Originally Posted by dizzy

your list needs to be compiled by an expert vvv, and even with an expert i'm not sure it can be done to cover all possibilities. Certainly it cant be done by me and if i did write one you wouldn't agree with it because i don't see the use of anabolic steroids in an athletic horse as "therapeutic".
[vvv] that's a huge cop out dot and it underlines the fact that you are railing against that about which you obviously have very little to no idea about.

what silly rule are you talking about, what the parliament decrees is law not rules vvv. It will probably come as a shock to you vvv but racehorses can be trained without "drenching". In most instances it is an antiquated practise that has been superseeded by new science and products. About the only thing that does really require a trainer to drench is less "noble"
[vvv] ...or a plain old hot & humid day and a badly dehydrated horse... But please dot, let us not allow such trivial matters to stand in the way of your tilt at the windmill.

given vvv that you've said your horses welfare comes first why didn't you call a vet to your foal? How would you have gone if you'd given it aspiration pneumonia? There are some exceptional circumstances clauses in the legislation but if your foal was in north west sydney vvv then i doubt you qualify. There are 2 specialist equine clinics out there that both offer 24 hr on call ambulatory care, why didn't you use one?
[vvv] unbelievable. The more you ramp up your efforts to belt me over the head the more absurd your arguments become.
better to just stand by and watch the foal die then you reckon?
clearly you have no idea at all how quickly a foal can take a turn for the worse and go down hill. I'd prefer to take action but hey, call me a criminal. Please dot, by all means jump on the blower tomorrow morning & report me to the nsw stewards for my heinous crime of tubing a foal with a jug of its own mother's own milk in an attempt to save it's life, something which i am certain it ultimately helped to do. Print this post out and send it in to reid sanders. I think that he reads this forum from time to time anyway but just to be sure, knock yourself out. while you're at it dot, despite me not being a vet i also of my own free will confess to having actively assisted in jugging another foal with a saline and a glucose drip so as to try and prevent it from dehydrating and dying. No doubt in your eyes another oh so very heinous act.
there would not be a single person that foals down their own mares anywhere in this entire country who has not done this or similar at some point along the way. It is par for the course, it goes with the territory.
clearly you have no idea what you are on about...save of course the no doubt many dozens of mares that you foal down at bankstown every year.

vvv