Hi Eliteblood
It's the Chariots a 4yr old race lol not the Inter, if they want the best sometime's you have to make concessions. Most people rate him as the best 4yr old going around so it would of been good to have him there.
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Hi Eliteblood
It's the Chariots a 4yr old race lol not the Inter, if they want the best sometime's you have to make concessions. Most people rate him as the best 4yr old going around so it would of been good to have him there.
No smiling shard isn't coming because he has races at home and ge can't afford to spend 2 weeks in Sydney for a single race, but the idea of the invite is that the horse could potentially fly into Sydney compete and go straight home for nz races - there is no doubt that the horse is good enough so why doesn't Sydney want to do as much as possible to ensure he's there (or another good horse in the future)
If they can't coordinate races then they should aim to steal the best kiwi horses to compete for Aussie fans
Firstly, I dont like the idea of a heat and final series for big money where no discretion is allowed. Eg, I dont like how there is only 2 heats and first 5 get in. The Hondo Grattan could come up with 7 or 8 genuine Chariots contenders; yet only 5 will qualify. Then the next week in the Paleface Adios we could have a a bunch of C2-5 NSW 4yos going around. So you could have a situation where a 4yo draws gate 10, goes off the arm to last, gets stuck in a traffic jam and flies home for 6th in 1.53. Then next week a cat draws 1, gets leaders back; and then loom at the top of the straight only to fade away into 5th in 1.57. Tell me who makes the Chariots field better? They both turned up for the prelims but one got a rough end of the stick (thats racing I understand). But 5th is hardly a difference to 6th. Unlike races like the APG or Bathurst or Derbys where there are more heats so its usually 3rd past the post gets in. In this situation the heats are held on the same day and/or fields are decided by ballot based on rating or there are multiple heats for an extra oppurtunity.
Secondly, I dont like token invitations. They must deserve it. Look at Rohan Home and to a lesser extent Make Mine Cullen; token invitations for the Miracle Mile and detracted from the race.
If the clash of dates between a Group 1 4yo race in NZ and the Chariots of Fire remains in the future, the very best NZ 4yo horses will not contest the Chariots.
Why travel overseas when you can race for more money in NZ and contest three Group 1 races restricted to 4yo's in NZ over a 6 week period?
The Chariots of Fire will suffer here because the best Kiwi 4yo's will not be there. On the other hand some of the top Australian 4yo's may still target the Messenger and will have the opportunity to race in the Chariots and then board a plane for Auckland a few days later and race the following Friday Night in the Messenger.
For me i see the Chariots as the premier 4yr old race so i'd like to see the best of the best 4yr old's in the race. Why didn't they make it that the first 4 in the Hondo/Paleface qualify and then use there discretion to invite a horse or two and if nothing of importance was racing or deserved a position in the field then give it to the two 5ths in the heats.
Theres a carnival going on at Menangle? Really, are they promoting it, whats it called?Quote:
Originally Posted by buster
No matter how they race the Derby horses arent going to get anywhere near SBSWs 1.46.
Two wrongs dont make a right....and whats wrong with the Auckland Cup being when it was anyway? ...or is he going back to last year....where it didnt affect the ID anyway :s .. Monkey King, Changeover, Baileys Dream, Pembrook Benny, Bondy and Awesome Armbro IIRC
I remember the good old days when Queen Victoria and King Henry IV would bring their dinosaurs to London one day and then race them in County Kent the next.
Whens he getting his trainers licence? He seems to know how to produce a champion whereas blokes like Butt have no idea :s
the autumn trotting carnival haha
There's two things here
1) Major race planning there is none within the states yet alone with NZ we are all separate entities but we need each other to survive as one. Why cannot this be set out at the start of the season with all parties to make a true grand circuit from 2yld to open class pacers & trotters fillies to mares, colts to stallions have it set out so there could be that horse can win 6 derby and that million dollar earning juveniles are achievable
2) I like heats and I'm not a real fan of walk up contender look at the Miracle Mile where was Monkey King in the finish this year if he raced he would have been fitter or found out and be out. If you want the best then they have to do their best to gain entry to the top races we are lucky at this stage that a lot of races you don't have to be paid up for like some futurities as they do in the US
Hi eliteblood I attended that Inter with my dad and brother driving a HZ Ute traveled 600km round trip each night for the heats and final great memories
Nat writes [1) Major race planning there is none within the states yet alone with NZ ]
SMACK! Hit the nail square on the head and drove it deep into the timber. Nice one Nat.
Btw, LOVE the idea of a 2yo & 3yo GC. Excellent.
We all depend on each other all the states both countries if one fails or falls over we will be in big trouble that why I do get a bit ruffled when people down play S.A. & Tassie part in the big picture tell me what would happen not just here but in the US if NZ racing and breeding went to the wall. That's why it gets me when some players in the industry start having a pissing competition over these big events and try to lure and override the other. Where would NSW be if all those great great horse never turned up for the Miracle Miles because another race with similar prestige was on.
As to the age, sex and gait racing we need to go forward and drive our product make stars of our horses put them on the pedestal so when some one says who is the best in 2011 it's in your face on the record the series events need to be structured and move along like a circus not one week in W.A then NZ then Vic and back to W.A. they wouldn't do it with BAF in his prime and no one could beat him so why would you with any other horse