Mr. X

i agree he shouldnt be meeting with these people, sam needs to stay well away from being grouped with them, those 2 people could say sam said anything, if he must meet them he should have a 3rd party there as well to protect himself

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Originally Posted by triplev123

Is that seriously the best you can do ringman? 40 odd shit bags to aim up on and instead you aim up on the bloke wearing the white hat? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Triplev123

Lets not forget Sam has not always worn a white hat:confused:

This is why the game is in such a shambles.... people like you sticking their heads in the sand hoping it will all go away when they pop back up.
its like the days of Dougie forbes and J Binskin paying for leads and controlling races when no pressure was applied everyone knew but the kickbacks were too big to complain.
what about the bloke in the 80s who could not sit in but all of a sudden he became friends with "the croc palmer"through playing 2up and his horses would run through brick walls and get help from others in the race while pumped up with gear.all of you on here surely know the lead was up for grabs at the right price for decades.

the game has been rotten for a long long time and you want a bloke who was privy to inside information conducting a enquiry hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Before you say why didnt i complain about the rorts in the 80s.... well i was making a big earn getting the mail about them myself :D and have watched it all over again for years to come.dont blame the punters no rort can take place without a corrupt trainer,driver,or steward.anyone who knows beforehand and dosnt get on the gravy train is a complete mug.

99% of trainers/drivers are hard working people, its the 1% who control these rorts that need to be outed for life.
if they let this father/son team continue in the game then they are supporting rorting themself.

Gleeson gets life for the superfecta rort. Surely, life from the industry is the least we can expect for these grubs?

Interesting to also read in page 108 of the Daily Telegraph yesterday, that a 'high profile media identity' has also been asked for records. Obviously not indicating of any involvement, but now looking back at a few things over the past 12 months, It makes a fair bit of sense!

[QUOTE=ringman;10254]Triplev123

Before you say why didnt i complain about the rorts in the 80s.... well i was making a big earn getting the mail about them myself :D and have watched it all over again for years to come.dont blame the punters no rort can take place without a corrupt trainer,driver,or steward.anyone who knows beforehand and dosnt get on the gravy train is a complete mug.

Yeah, the way I see it all it makes you is an accessory after the fact! No better than those who pulled the scam! I suppose using the language found on this forum - SCUM comes to mind!!!!!

Sleep well

Ringman, it is a nothing short deplorable tactic that you adopt here.
Instead of lining up on the parade of shitbags... who's greed and apparent total lack of empathy for their fellow participants & for those whom they were officially charged with protecting...those that served to create this unholy mess in the first place, you instead question the fella at the centre of trying to clean up?
As I said, you should be ashamed of yourself and I'll now add completely & utterly.

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Originally Posted by triplev123

Ringman, it is a nothing short deplorable tactic that you adopt here.
Instead of lining up on the parade of shitbags... who's greed and apparent total lack of empathy for their fellow participants & for those whom were officially charged with protecting...served to create this unholy mess in the first place, you instead question the fella at the centre of trying to clean up?
As I said, you should be ashamed of yourself and I'll now add completely & utterly.

Amen to that triple , well said. On behalf of all those on these harness forums ( other than the two other stooges in other threads operating to protect the scumbags) , ringman, please go away. Your mobile must be ringing non-stop advising you of your next opportunity to make yet another dishonest buck. You sound like you are very proud of yourself. No you are an absolute d!ckhead aligning yourself with the dishonesty of these scumbags to make another quick buck. It's clear to all what your (obviously paid) agenda is here. Get lost , we don't need any more of your cr@p.

If the shoe Fitz Ringman...??????????????

Cheers. Hold the line Ozninja. Keep the faith.

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Originally Posted by triplev123

Cheers. Hold the line Ozninja. Keep the faith.

triple , you can absolutely rely on me doing that. In my life , I have never felt more militant or passionate than I do now about this current scandal and those trying to sidetrack the investigation with their utter BS.

Millitant and passionate. I'm with you there mate, shoulder to shoulder.

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Originally Posted by JCT2011

Gleeson gets life for the superfecta rort. Surely, life from the industry is the least we can expect for these grubs?

14 years isnt life!

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Originally Posted by ozninja

Amen to that triple , well said. On behalf of all those on these harness forums ( other than the two other stooges in other threads operating to protect the scumbags) , ringman, please go away. Your mobile must be ringing non-stop advising you of your next opportunity to make yet another dishonest buck. You sound like you are very proud of yourself. No you are an absolute d!ckhead aligning yourself with the dishonesty of these scumbags to make another quick buck. It's clear to all what your (obviously paid) agenda is here. Get lost , we don't need any more of your cr@p.

I had no bigger advantage than Sam did when he was punting and got the mail something was on :cool:.are you such a dumb imbicile that you would back the horse in a race thats there to protect the leader walking in front or who wont pull out from the back until the 300 in a slowly run race .ive never been directly involved in pulling a horse up or gearing one up so what have i done wrong? the same families have been rorting for decades and the powers to be in harness racing let them keep rorting, and dont worry this is not confined to NSW only as the future will proove when the stewards in other states do their job correctly vic and sa are working hot also expect more to come.

Like i have said all along any trainer/driver involved should get life because without them organising the rort there is no rort on full stop.

Isnt it lovely to see that all you blokes would alert the stewards if you found out a 8/1 chance was going to lead in a race and the 2/5 fav was going to stay back last and not take off to get the leader home.

yeah of course you would :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

14 years isnt life!

Sorry Breno, i didnt mean to word it in that way, that came across wrong. What I was meant to say was that this Scandal is the biggest to hit the sport since gleeson, as surely a stronger penalty should be dealt to these latest grubs.

ringman, if we just ignore your crap will you will just finally just go away, anywhere but here. Still can't figure out why you are pushing the barrow you have been for some time now. Don't bother replying and continue showing us what a total wanker you are. You have already made that VERY obvious.

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Originally Posted by JCT2011

Sorry Breno, i didnt mean to word it in that way, that came across wrong. What I was meant to say was that this Scandal is the biggest to hit the sport since gleeson, as surely a stronger penalty should be dealt to these latest grubs.

Yeah no worries. Knew what you meant champ. And you are pretty spot on in comparing it in levels of seriousness to Gleeson. Lets just hope the right penalties are given!

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Originally Posted by ozninja

ringman, if we just ignore your crap will you will just finally just go away, anywhere but here. Still can't figure out why you are pushing the barrow you have been for some time now. Don't bother replying and continue showing us what a total wanker you are. You have already made that VERY obvious.

funny isnt it you all want to bag me but pat Sam on the back when we did the same thing.
why are you protecting Sam?

I sent a letter to Sam 6 months ago about the way some races were being run or better still rigged and was shrugged off.
hmmmmmm who is looking the goose now its not me thats for sure

But why are you protecting sam ??? surely even for a dope like you its a simple question

Hi Ringman,
Any information you have that may assist the on going investigation into HRNSW should be passed on to the police, if you fail to do so then?
I do not feel that anyone at HRNSW including S.Nati believe that at this very moment they are not under investigation themselves, he will be
at the end of this mess judged by the whole industry and if he shines then he will get a job in the thoroughbred industry:)

VOTE (1) S.NATI

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Originally Posted by ringman

But why are you protecting sam ??? surely even for a dope like you its a simple question

Maybe its because here in NSW we have actually found someone, who cares and loves the sport as we do. Over the years I have been sick and tired of seeing these 'blue collar corporates' come in and try and run the joint.
The biggest joke I have ever seen in NSW was the appointment of Max Pool. That bloke did not know one inch about racing.

Sam has the knowledge and the passion to make this industry thrive. and thats what we want! and this has been clearly demonstrated with the way he has handled this whole scandal.

Ringman

Just in case you have not worked it out yet yourself you are going to need a rort to get your argument home .

Looks to me like you came of the arm running but so far every other runner in the race has had a chop at you, so its been no easy lead for you, however like most leaders who get pressured you will hit the wall.

We all only hope its soon

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Originally Posted by jct2011

maybe its because here in nsw we have actually found someone, who cares and loves the sport as we do.
[vvv] testify jct! Amen.

Over the years i have been sick and tired of seeing these 'blue collar corporates' come in and try and run the joint.
The biggest joke i have ever seen in nsw was the appointment of max pool. That bloke did not know one inch about racing.

[vvv] a bit harsh. Max was ok. Admittedly he didn't understand racing & moreso the people in it in the way someone that had long been close to or that was born into the industry would have...but from what i knew & saw of him he did give of his best and his intentions, at times they were misguided, were always honourable.

the biggest joke of all here in nsw, the single biggest insult of and to the industry was the nsw dept. Of gaming & racing's absurd jobs for the boys creation, the ghrra.
from start to finish that was an absolute & utter debacle.

there was a bit of a shocker after the fact too. Elvis' e-mail address actually remained active for a good many months after he had officially left the building (& this i know to be the case because i used to regularly send him e-mails of the 'don't let the door whack you in the backside as you leave' kind & they never once bounced), as did his remote access remain active afterwards as i understand, this from a former it employee of the ghrra.
i ended up writing to the gaming & racing minsiter at the time, kevin greene, & alerting him to the fact that the e-mail & remote access were apparently still active & very shortly afterwards it was shut down. I have his reply here somewhere. Nice bloke.
clearly, to my mind, somone in there was going all out behind the scenes to 'keep the dream alive' for 'elvis' despite him having left the building. what the hell was going on there one wonders? :confused::confused::confused::confused:
was old mate seeking to somehow rise, phoenix like, from the ashes of that organisation to head up the now hrnsw? Geeze, that doesn't bare thinking about.

added to that, how perriously close did we go to getting yet another department of gaming & racing flunky in the big chair...and i wonder where would we have been right now had that occurred? :(

i know the answer to the first part of that question....we went very, very close, we were within a bee's todger of getting one of their long term flunkies (not elvis) back for a 2nd run at it...but thankfully, at the 11th hour that absolute catastrophe was averted and instead, we got sam.
a lot of industry participants here in nsw were not aware at the time and i'm sure many of them are still not not aware of just how close we came to disaster in that regard.
when i later found out who had thrown their hats into the ring, who was the preferred candidate as far as the nsw gaming & racing dept. Was concerned and so on, i have to say...it was what i expect waking up from a good and restful night's sleep to find that, during the night the earth had narrowly avoided a collision with an asteroid the size of tasmania...would be like. In time, those persons responsible for respectively alerting and diverting the preferred candidate and then looking outside the square should have medals pinned to their chest and their images cast in bronze.

sam has the knowledge and the passion to make this industry thrive. And thats what we want! And this has been clearly demonstrated with the way he has handled this whole scandal.
[vvv] indeed. Those who underestimate him do so at their peril.

vvv

Thanks triple. Preaching to the converted here. Hey everyone, let's move on from this. We have been completely , and I believe quite deliberately , sidetracked here in this thread by one moron and we do not need whatsoever to have to defend the integrity of Sam or the current investigations. Anyone trying the blacken the name of the investigators or the investigation has their own set agenda.

Let's just turn off ringman's oxygen tank.

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Originally Posted by JCT2011

Sam has the knowledge and the passion to make this industry thrive. and thats what we want! and this has been clearly demonstrated with the way he has handled this whole scandal.

No doubt he has a passion for the industry im not disputing that:rolleyes: but that dosnt alter the fact of what was going on when he was punting and he took advantage of it.anyone who for one minute thinks Sam will stop the rorting better think again.the only way this game can survive is for the coppers to take control of all investigations.

ozninja

Let's just turn off ringman's oxygen tank
Why Mrs Nati is baby sam gasping for air and he needs a new tank?

Hubby and I have been long-time viewers of this forum - Triple v's comment inspired me to join and make my first post - hubby would've but he has Errol Flynn fingers as far as keyboards go.

Yes the current scandal is bad and yes we want the perpetrators named, shamed and severely dealt with. There is another danger though that I've noticed starting to creep into some of the SMH and Telegraph articles regarding answers being required as to how this situation was allowed to arise. It's been 2 years since the GHRRA was booted into orbit and I'd wager some of that Board and management would now be telling all and sundry in government and the media that their concerns about the commercial Board with no regulatory experience running the industry are now vindicated.

The worse the scandal gets once the big names are revealed, the worse the current administration is going to look. They will deservedly get points for cleaning things up if they can make any charges stick but they'll also get marked down for not picking up on a situation that had been going on for so long. What scares us the most is that we could see a knee-jerk reaction from the Minister and Dept resulting in a GHRRA Mk2 with some old familiar faces on board. I dearly hope this doesn't occur as the scandal has put us back enough without another administrative/organisational reform.

I hope my post makes sense and contributes to this forum.

And could we leave personalities out of things. We know Mr Nati and Mr Pool well and both are absolute gentlemen who give/gave 110% to the job, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, under different sets of circumstances. We could do and have done much worse in recent history.

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Originally Posted by coldshot

The worse the scandal gets once the big names are revealed, the worse the current administration is going to look. They will deservedly get points for cleaning things up if they can make any charges stick but they'll also get marked down for not picking up on a situation that had been going on for so long. .

Nice post and its good to see you are a thinker

what i cant understand, greyhounds victoria had found stewards and a handicapper betting on races at exactly the same time as this, hardly a word about that anywhere

just glad this hasn't gone the way of the hush up

It's a different Code but the current uproar has many things in common with old mate Rodney Pottter and his dastardly dishlicker deeds back in 1994-2000. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s127979.htm

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Originally Posted by triplev123

It's a different Code but the current uproar has many things in common with old mate Rodney Pottter and his dastardly dishlicker deeds back in 1994-2000. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s127979.htm

thanks for that vvv - i think that's my greatest concern - Potter situation went to ICAC which recommended changes which ultimately produced HRNSW, GRNSW and the GHRRA - there's usually some fallout from these things and Ministers and bureaucrats do so love to be seen to 'be doing something'. At least the current situation won't go to ICAC but if the corruption is as widespread as it seems with very prominent people within and outside the sport involved, we might get a public inquiry into the administration.

I'd like to see the grubs and profiteers exposed and rubbed out, and then the focus returned to rebuilding without any more restructuring. IMO we've had enough of that the last 10-11 years.

The only issue here is are we going to have the big names covered up. This has happened on several occasions over the last few years to keep integrity intact. There have been positive swabs from high profile people in the Industry swept under the rug...
Mr X and his father have no doubt pulled this card.
As has the leading driver with his high profile lawyer...........

Its time these people manned up and identified themselves. Then and only then will there be no rumour and innuendo.

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Originally Posted by Diesel

The only issue here is are we going to have the big names covered up. This has happened on several occasions over the last few years to keep integrity intact. There have been positive swabs from high profile people in the Industry swept under the rug...
Mr X and his father have no doubt pulled this card.
As has the leading driver with his high profile lawyer...........

Its time these people manned up and identified themselves. Then and only then will there be no rumour and innuendo.

[VVV] Hey Diesel, it might come as a bit of a shock to you but with a post like that you're fueling the rumour and innuendo that you claim to be railing against????. If you know any of that for a fact then you should come forward.

Diesel , to save you having to look up numbers when you are making your call about this scandal , here are the details. Operators are standing by waiting for your call :p

For the internal HRNSW investigation anyone with information can ring the Investigation hotline on 1800 672 751.

If any person has information relating to the NSW Police and Strike Force Tairora they can contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
All leads can remain anonymous.

Would it be fair to say Sam Nati is a modern day Elliot Ness?

I think so , I sure hope so http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/112.gif

http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=16764

i stand to be corrected, but if the NSW police go down the criminal path, then they can compel them to hand over the information or face criminal charges.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226131707419

Thanks Ozninja.....
Already done......

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Originally Posted by mightymo

i stand to be corrected, but if the NSW police go down the criminal path, then they can compel them to hand over the information or face criminal charges.

G'day Mightymo

Not really, they can certainly apply for search warrants but they are required to place evidence before a Magistrate before the warrants are issued. It is not a given that warrants will be issued.

Regards

Mark

Police dont need them to hand over the information they can get it themself with a warrant