Anyone, any opinions on the latest Victorians pre race IV situation?
Or are we hoping it will just go away?
Just listened to Gareth & at least he is tying to do something!!
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Anyone, any opinions on the latest Victorians pre race IV situation?
Or are we hoping it will just go away?
Just listened to Gareth & at least he is tying to do something!!
I guess we are all just waiting to see what becomes of it.
The best thing is you can go to Stewart Tonkin facebook and see their bullshit excuse post and see who likes it to know who are sympathisers and thus also playing a big part in holding the industry back from ever being respected by the general public.
As far as the industry being respected by the general publicQuote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Is concerned , I think that is irretrievable from a long time ago.
What comes of it we will have to see. Admitting breaking a rule that a trainer would know as sure as they know that you cannot drive through a red light - requires a bit of explaining IMO if you are interested in be respected but we do not know for sure whether Emma is (assuming she is the author as she is listed as the trainer) It may come out at a later date and it is highly likely that they would have received advice as to what to say at this point
It is not surprising to see stable owners supporting the stable, it is their team after all
Interesting that this is given before the race as it reads, in my opinion, as it would be more beneficial after the race.
As a recipient of saline infusions every four weeks it could be that there was more being infused than just what it says on the label. The purpose of the Hartman's would primarily to keep the veins open and assist other substances travel through the blood stream.
But this is just an innocent mistake. Emma says so.
Agree Trevor, Hartmann's Solution has been around for donkey years. They were using it 40 years ago. Considering the size of a horse one pack would do absolutely nothing it is what might be infused with it that makes the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Showgrounds
Brad Reid comes out swinging, and lands every punch.
https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/...-longer-bliss/
Says all that everybody, except what alleged journalists, are thinking and highlights why our sport is flushing itself down the dunny.
I think its already hit the sewerage treatment works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Showgrounds
Well and truly within insiders of the sport, not so much those on the periphery. Brad Reid has stood up to be counted whereas everybody from the HRV Chairman down do not appear to want anything known about the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Some quotes
“It’s a dreadful look for the sport when our leading trainers are breaking rules everyone knows about. It’s not as if these rules have just come out, they have been around for a long time,” Butt said while talking to Gareth Hall on SEN Track Radio.
“It was a clear breach and is not a good look and casts a pool of doubt over their success on Saturday night. The authorities will deal with it in the appropriate manner.
“But I’m disappointed in the media too, it’s been brushed under the carpet by just about everybody. If this had happened in galloping it would be headline news. It’s not a good look and it doesn’t shine a good light on the stable,” he said.
Are industry participants meant to simply accept the apology as meaning this is the first time the rule has been breached? Or simply the first time Stewart has been caught?
Can you imagine an athlete or high performance coach in another sport being caught red handed breaching a fundamental rule the weekend it had achieved remarkable success, yet only having their highlight reels dished out for five days while the media ignore the elephant in the room? It wouldn’t happen.
Then when the media do decide to get involved, they simply regurgitate the information provided by the alleged offender and applaud them for being transparent and forthcoming. It’s laughable.
The route chosen by the gatekeepers of the sport, that being the mainstream media, further mars public confidence in harness racing and creates the perception of a coordinated effort to paint Australia’s leading stable in a favourable light.
https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/...-longer-bliss/
It took a NZer to shine a light on it
I think it's reasonably fair to think this "mistake" has been made many times since the rule was introduced and I feel for the many people who may have been disadvantaged by that in many Group races during this time.
I would not like to be one of them, imagine the questions they are asking themselves now?
Time for someone to do something for the innocent victims.
And sadly, it will receive very little penalty.
The integrity of the whole industry is also being questioned as it is evident that what would have been lead story if it was the gallops has been totally downplayed by authorities/payed media
Will the stable in question be visited on a weekly basis for the foreseeable future in order to restore some confidence in the industry?
Are we sure about that? They do a good job of keeping things quietQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
I think so. If the Melbourne Cup winning stable the next week were found to have one of their horses on a drip within 24hrs of racing, I reckon it would make the newspapersQuote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
One thing they wouldn't be doing - is continuing to have their paid media promote the stable and paid employees liking the stable's explanation
I will keep banging the drum for the victims, all the other stuff is fluff and powdering over the cracks, what happens for the victims? There appears to be many given what has been stated/aired so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
The problem is Dan, that unless they have proof to disqualify any Stewart earners, nobody is going to be classed as a victim and thus entitled (legally) to compensation
You can find on Adam Hamilton's twitter page that long time owner and sponsor Domenico Martello has pulled all his sponsorship over this
The biggest problem is the lack of information coming from HRV. Were the horses swabbed and is the content of the drips being analyzed ?
The participants want a level playing field, around the same time a small time NSW trainer was caught administering a substance into a horses mouth via a syringe on route to the track, they have been stood down until the inquiry is concluded. I know it's a different state but it shows a more serious approach is being taken by that state !
Exactly. They made an announcement, the announcement being "We have nothing more to say until we have something to say". Which, so far, is nothing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutwagon
I think I will email the CEO to say that it is coming across as a cover up
He won't answer any but I am pretty sure they are arriving
Not that it matters but I think the timing of this catch has them worried about bad publicity following the Eureka and Vicbred Finals and with the Vic Cup on our doorstep
I didn't get a bounce back from the trots.com address but I did for this following one - how can I stop this from being treated as spam???????????
I wonder if its more to do with the state or the size of trainer though.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutwagon
A couple of interesting questions on PP this morning.
Yes, PP asking how the swabs from Act Now and Show Me Heaven were tested and cleared in under a week.
He also asked seeing as though this breach was captured on the day of the Vicbred Finals - were the 30 horses all set to run that night, tested too?
Unbelievable results for the stable
Win the Derby, Quinellas it and has 5 of the first 6
Win the Vic Cup
Win the Oaks, in fact gets the first 5 across the line
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=MX141023
and I think Susan Is Her Name going amiss a couple of weeks ago very likely cost them the Trotters Oaks
Where is the Stewart Stable tonight?
It makes sense for a stable to have some time off - it's just that we don't often see it
Emma Stewart stable won 8 out of 10 Victoria's answer to Ben Yole what a joke Victorian/Tasmanian harness racing is. Whatever you may say about Jason Grimson he is a man of conviction not afraid to tackle big races outside of his state particularly NZ while those other two sit on their dunghill dominating
Rod, I don't think you can accuse the stable of not plotting the best program for their horses. You have to remember that most of their topliners are juveniles and you can only target so many big races with them
Yeah this. Their dominance has been largely restricted to 2yo and 3yo racing. With Vicbred, Breeders Crown, Oaks/Derby there is no incentive to travel. Travelled the 4yos and Chariots of Fire record is strong and won a Rising Sun with Ladies In Red. They have 'struggled' with older horses with most being stuck to Country Cups class. This is evidenced with their Vic Cup and Hunter Cup record, finally only breaking through this year with Act Now and Honolua Bay. Those two not really travelled yet - but both had long stints without racing in the past 12 months so not like they've been racing much in Vic either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Older horses that were GC horses were Safari who came along early in the piece before this dominance, Restrepo who was probably just a length or two off the very best but did go to a Miracle Mile and Perth ID, Guaranteed who went to a Miracle Mile but probably never hit his best again after that and Philadelphia Man who probably isn't in their top 20 horses but struck an easy ID series in WA winning 2x heats and won a Blacks a Fake in QLD. They have been happy to travel Mach Dan to Syd and QLD. I'm not really sure what horse and when they should have travelled more?
And you have to admit Rod - they travel more than most WA stables
That may be so Kev but you have to remember travelling to Sydney from Melbourne is just up the road compared to the distances WA horses have to traverse to get to Melbourne or Sydney let alone Brisbane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Forgot to add WA horses travelling to Melbourne or Sydney always receive the visitors draw who needs it.
Breaking news. Queen Emma's crown has just fallen off. Six-months disqualification.
https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/ne...-emma-stewart/
Thats all well a crown has fallen but why was this not sorted before the breeder's crown?
IMO , I believe things like this turn folk off harness racing & with good reason.
I know how I would feel if I had a horse in the breeders crown & was beaten by this sort of thing being sorted after the event.
Likely to drag out with an appeal but maybe Clayton will just take over - the advantage of not training as a partnershipQuote:
Originally Posted by Showgrounds
We have seen that before on many occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Terrific isn't it!!!@
The heading of this thread does not make sense to me.
The heading of this thread is one of my best!
Remarkable: worthy of attention