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Very sorry to hear your plight. :( Perhaps the resident trainers can invest in some ear plugs and tranquiliser? Not ideal but would be an absolute shame to loose a horse due to it :( Just trying to think proactively....Quote:
Originally Posted by starkmarty
Martin, I fear you've misjudged Les in this instance. I've no doubt that his intentions are well-meaning.
By way of the use of a Monster Fireworks Display they're simply seeking to bring back, for all those assembled, pleasant memories of Beruit circa 1975-1990. :p
There is a whisper around the traps that Peter Dewsbury will be dressed as Yasser Arafat...although I have been unable to confirm. ;);););)
Say what...
In NZ the relegation rule does exist and is applied in nearly 70% of all interference protests lodged. i.e. case proven..
Suspensions in NZ are few and far between. They are applied when careless driving results in a smash / fall or when a horseperson chooses suspension over a fine. They are given a choice of penalty here. Some horsepeople can't afford a fine while others have so many commitments a suspension is only punishing innocents like owners.
the current rule by my reading does not allow relegation and even if it does it it is not policy in Australia not just NSW, also New Zealand where it is a rule it is hardly ever used there are however many suspensions for causing interference.
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Originally Posted by triplev123
Not bad triplev123, but maybe too close to the truth! Last year we had array of fireworks, bangers etc going off right behind our barn here in Condell Park.
Most horses were going beserk, so we done our best to settle them down.
I was furious after the Doug Bromac incident the previous year. He was a valuable animal, winning us over $150,000 in prizemoney. He never won another race after his injuries.
We went for a drive around to the parallel street and there they were, in the middle of the road, setting off the `big display`. These were locals, but not maybe born on our shores. After expressing our concern, we were threatened with violence.
In my opinion, as a previous President, Treasurer and Director of Bankstown Harness Racing Club, I put local concerns first, and that means trainers, drivers, owners and last but certainly not least, the horses themselves.
That is not the concern of the incumbent Committee, and I have many incidents to support this position.
Spin and `BS`rule the day! ie, their claim to be `Sydney`s Home of Harness racing`. Good Grief`
The inside `sand` track went without any topping for 9 months due to lack of funds.
This was primarily bought about by losing almost all funding from our sister club, the Bankstown Trotting and Recreational Club.
They had a problem with threats from Les Bentley and rightly so. These funds are most unlikely to be offered again so there is only one direction for this once proud and historic club now. Extinction.
His lame duck, rubber stamp Committee simply follow along, as he is a `NSWHR Board Member`, so he must be right! Yeah, right.
Do I have an axe to grind?
No, as I have resigned and not run for any position for 2 years. If the members want them, Have `em!
My plans lay elsewhere.
You've missed my point there mate, that was just meant to be funny, nothing else.
I would not know Les if I fell over him but Peter's long been a mate of mine & he is married to the sister of another mate of mine. The thought of Peter appearing on the night dressed up as the late PLO Chairman kinda tickled my fancy, that's all. Take it easy Trooper, you'll blow a valve.
Yes you are right vvv, I should not take it too seriously. And I did get a good laugh from your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by triplev123
I guess it`s just a hard game this without big rewards- for most.
I dont normally have much to do with forums and the to and fro that goes on, but fireworks and horses just don`t mix.
I`ve decided to load my horses on my truck just before detonation and take a drive for 30 minutes.
Everything, including me, will have calmed down by then.
And I do realise clubs need income from many areas, including Muslim `Festivals`
Martin, you do have my sympathies re: the Fireworks. I think that's crazy. Years ago I was on course at Penrith & they started up a fireworks display(one which everyone had been notified about) but for reasons only known to themselves they did it before the allotted time for all of the horses to be out of there...& their reactions were frightening. Some of them went absolutely troppo. Similar to what happens in a really bad lightning/thunderstorm.
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Originally Posted by triplev123
Well vvv others with a better memory than might recall the late stratching of the favourite, Jack Morris I think, for the Miracle Mile many years ago. I was there and prior to the race Vince Sylvestro put on one of his shows ( and a mighty show it was too, just at the wrong venue ).
Jack was a late scratching at the barrier when blood was detected from one nostril. His trainer claimed he had reacted violently to the bangers and hit his head.
Horses rarely bled in the prelim and Jack went on to win other races so Sean Harney was probably right.
Nevertheless, my solution is easy as I outlined previously; a drive around for a bit.:cool:
[VVV] Geeze, there's a blast from the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkmarty
I don't know how the Hell it was that Sean managed to avoid scoring a Bute positive with that horse. He used to get a tub of it out & scoop a couple of fingers into it and jam a big blob or two of it into the horse's mouth. Other days, other ways I guess. Harney reminded me a fair bit of Vin Knight. He was different but struck me as a real character.
Heard a good one about a bleeder. It won the race and a journo came up for an interview. The strapper had took the horse away fearing they would get found out and the winning connections had a photo snapped for the local rag with 'their' horse. Get this though; the bleeder was a bay horse...the horse snapped in the picture was grey!
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Originally Posted by triplev123
Too right. Sean was a bit ahead of his time in some ways but he was not short on talent. Vinny I had the pleasure of staying with when I took my former great juvenile, Hanover Schell, down to Melbourne to contest a couple of feature races circa 1980.
Both him and his father made me most welcome and I was gobsmacked when Vin shown me the wad he collected when we saluted at MV .
He had told me his work ( Hanover Schell) at Kilmore was that of a certainty! Being a young and green Kiwi punting was not my priority as at the time I was courting more than one $100,000 offer. Big dough then, and still tidy money now.
I just wish a horse of that calibre had come along a bit later when I knew the ropes better!
I remember Hanover Schell having it's first star as a 2YO at Fairfield.........it was backed from 50's in, and got the cash........someone please confirm my memory.
Heres one for you. Given the supposed issue of substances supposedly remaining in a horses system and thus returning a positive above the internationally recognised levels, why not give those trainers/owners, when receiving or transferring a horse an at cost service of freezing swab samples on the arrival of said horse at the stables. Of course we would all have to accept he integrity of the laboratories providing this service and the collection process. At least we would until a positive occurred and then we would go into shock and attempt to discredit the integrity of everyone except our current favourite participants.
At the same time, No one be allowed near horses before they are swabbed, particularly at presentations and All participants to wear gloves when handling horses to prevent external applications of illegal substances. Or as all people enter all sections of a racecourse they apply Dettol handwash to ensure they are not carrying any prohibited substances on there hands, but wait why not airport xrays at every entrabce to ensure they have no prohibited products for application on their person.
While Im at it, lets continue the practise of protracted legal action to delay any application of penalty, hang on, even enquiries into positive swabs or questionable behaviour. In fact we could allocate money from the budget ( are you listening Julia ) to assist only those who can afford protracted legal action to delay and obfuscate these issues. Getup wouldnt be at work on these forums would they.
Stewards queried the driving tactics of B Hewitt (SCREAMAN SEAMAN) in particular over the final 600 metres of the event where after settling in a one wide position approaching the 400 metres SCREAMAN SEAMAN was held up between runners and failed to gain clear running until approximately the 200 metre mark. When questioned driver B Hewitt stated that he believed the horse he was trailing namely CIRCUMSTANTIAL was going to carry him into the race. When this did not occur he was held when RENEGING had moved to his outside. He further stated that he did not believe it was in SCREAMAN SEAMAN’s best interests to progress four wide rounding the turn. In view of the circumstances driver B Hewitt’s explanation was noted for future reference.
Odds On FAV hoping for a 1000-1 shot to carrying him into the race. Not in the horses best interest of the horse to come Four Wide rounding the turn. Are you kidding me ? Meanwhile the heavily supported stablemate "pinches" it.
So Panella gets 28 days for honestly admitting to stewards that her drive on Daryl's horse wasn't the best. The younger B Hewitt talks a load of BS on an Odds On Fav with the heavily supported stablemate streaking away on the engine and the stewards lap it up. Where's the consistency from these Bozo's ?
I think this is all "circumstantial" evidence..........lol!.......... you are right, Menangle has the most beautiful sweeping home turn, that is supposed to give every runner the opportunity to finish their races off..........you should take the opportunity, especially if you are travelling well!......come out 3 wide and sit their until the top of the straight, then go for home!.........change the track name to Maitland........then that would be a different story!
"in particular over the final 600 metres of the event"
Well how about the the first 600m of the event. At it's two previous races Screamin Seaman ran the gate at Bathurst couldn't cross but had a serious dip in 28.5. The start before going for a spell it fired out from 3 took a trail in a much tougher race and got the chocolates at Menangle. Yet on Friday night not one ounce of urgency at despatch drifting back to worse than midfield. Other than a stablemate drawn wider running the gate, why the change of tactics ?
What an inept bunch of stewards. Take the blinkers off Boys and Girls.
Hi Daryl,
I don't real understand the point you are trying to get across.
At the end of the day the rule says that a trainer must present the horse at the races free of all prohibited sustances. It is a tough on to beat and pretty much means if you get a positive your guilty and doesn't really matter how it got there.
Like you said the thing of late where you can just keep delaying the inevitable pretty much for ever is a complete joke and has to stop once upon a time all open enquires were listed on the web sight. IMO this stopped about the sametime as the rediculace time lengths started. I would love to know how many open swab enquires there is I can think of six with out trying.
When Reid Sanders first started there was the big day of bicarb hearings. The front page of the trot guide says Reid gets tough on drugs. Its been a big disappoint since
I also don't like HRNSWs policy that all positives are the same whatever the substance is wrong to treat them all the same when they are not is silly.
I'm not shore if you were hinting a LMc in your post or not. But his swab is a little different something funny is going on here. I can't think of another boldenone swob at the trots ever then two in the on night from two different trainers. Both with no history of swabs and the fact boldenone is long lasting and there have been clear swabs shortly before and after is strange.
Many people think LMc has the silver bullet to improve horses boldenone isn't it.
I've spoken to one and I have no clue of their background. What they need on stewards panels is at least one guy a night on the job who thinks like a punter. Without the support of the punter there's no industry.
The inquiry should never of been completed in a hurry on Friday. It warranted further investigation. From what I hear on the grapevine, the winner was very heavily supported on the exchanges. The Fav was easy.
Wakey Wakey, even if nothing sinister occured, it should be fully checked. They've got their eyes off the ball.
I have watched the replay several times, it was really one of those cases where everything went against BPH, the horse 3 wide RollonGiget did not give ground quick enough, and only gave ground at the same rate as Circumstantial gave ground, and this carted Screaman Seaman back a few lengths and the opportunity to win was gone, .........even Reneging held him up around the turn.............he was then the fesh horse on the scene we he got clear and he did "scream" to the line. If you check the back straight shot BPH did come out half a cart 3 wide, and saw Rollon Gidget still there, and went back in........at this point he obviously decided his best chance was to follow Circumstantial. I will give BPH the benefit of the doubt! Can't take away from stablemate he did the work outside the leader and won the race......if BJH had let Rollon Gidget take the death......then SS would have most likely won pretty easily!!
Dunno what you do for a crust Steve but have you ever thought of becoming a steward ? : )Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
That's cheeky!..........to be honest with you...........I hate doing my money, and all I ask is for is my share of luck in running, I make a decision on a race on who I like etc, and bet accordingly............but I don't have control of luck in running, it can vary from 0-100%, and so often decides the result, apart from the horse, it's driver, the track, the other runners etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harold Parker
In the race we are talking about, Screaman Seaman "should have won" bit it didn't.........it won't be the first or last time this happens! The horse landed 1-2 back in running, perfect!........a horse gets caught 3 wide and decided to stay there rather going foward or back........it happens......the driver makes a decision to follow the 1-1 horse rather than a horse that has been 3 wide since the outset.......I can't say this was a bad decision......SS gets completely taken back through the field to the point where the ground to make up is too much.......and we know the result......the other option in this would have been to follow Rollon Gidget 3 wide early, pull 4 wide and go and race outside leader, I am sure BJH would have let BPH have the spot!.........SS seems to run better when held up for a final sprint and that was the tactic to be employed, but the circumstances of the race did not allow SS to get the required run to show it's best ability!
Now, if you think I have got this wrong.......please give me your explanation of where.......because all I have done is describe how the race unfolded!
I have analysed races, trials etc., over a long period of time.....I don't care how good your form study is........you still need luck, and that luck can range from 0-100%.......all you can ask for is your fair share over time.......then if your form is good, you will come out in front. How many times have you been on the "wrong foot" when having a punt, never get any luck in running, driver does not drive the way you expect, every photo finish goes against you.........then other times your "walking on water" can't do a thing wrong! Puntingis frustrating.......my only advise is to stick to your opinion, don't get put off by the odds, and hang in there........so won't go crazy then!
I don't think they would employ a punter as a steward, but as a form researcher for the stewards......then I would jump at this........I know they have form experts advising the stewards panels at the gallops!
My occupation is in finance!
There's a soapbox rant of rubbish if I've ever seen one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl New
Not a rant OLD FRANK/Nathan just looking at the ridiculousness of the process and expressing frustration that the legal system lets us down. Some on the track today thought that the transfer swabbing a good idea Even sold shares in the freezing and storage companyQuote:
Originally Posted by Old Frank
I don't think they would employ a punter as a steward, but as a form researcher for the stewards......then I would jump at this........I know they have form experts advising the stewards panels at the gallops!
My occupation is in finance![/QUOTE]
The RIU here were looking for such a person currently.. If you can handle getting up 2 hours earlier (but you do get to go to bed 2 hrs later)
The Racing Integrity Unit (RIU) manages the application of, and adherence to the Rules of Racing for Thoroughbred, Greyhound and Harness Racing in New Zealand.
A vacancy now exists for part-time Betting Analyst (3 days per week) to join the RIU and contribute to the effective operation of racing and ensure that the rules and regulations both on and off-course are followed and adhered too, with the result that racing is conducted with integrity and there is enhanced public confidence in our industry.
The role includes but is not limited to
• Investigating form.
• Analysing betting and betting trends across the three racing codes.
• Develop and maintain relationships with the New Zealand TAB and overseas betting agencies.
• Providing daily information to Stipendiary Stewards on live betting trends.
• Assisting in hearings before the Judicial Control Authority.
A flexible approach to working hours is required due to the requirements of the industry. Some travel within New Zealand may be required. The role is based in Auckland.
You will have an extensive knowledge of betting and racing and be familiar with the industry as a whole. A high level of competency in IT operations, an ability to meet deadlines, and a high standard of analytical, written and verbal skills are required.
Importantly the appointee will be able to demonstrate a high level of integrity and apply decisions consistently and objectively.
This role is part-time however there is a possibility it could become full-time in the future.
Please forward your CV and covering letter by email to admin@riu.org.nz.
A position description is available on the RIU website www.riu.org.nz.
Applications close at 5pm Monday 16 January 2012.
Sorry it's closed.
But you could still make enquiries. I can't imagine there's anyone in NZ for that job..!!
teecee, I would love that job, I spend hours pulling form apart, trying to compare tracks, going back after races to consider the results and form etc......I will now keep an eye out for future positions!!!!
For the record boys the betting steward or form steward at the Gallops in NSW is most certainly a former punter.
I wonder how they measure their ability?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thevoiceofreason
SteveQuote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
It is a little different in the gallops the "form steward" is based in Sydney he attends all metro and some midweek provincial meetings he also monitors betfair and advises stewards throughout the state of unusual betting trends on certain horses. I have not included him in the information below.
As I have preached before it is all about money and everyone wants integrity and noone wants to fund it, for example comparing apples with apples.
Average NSW Metro Gallops Panel 6 stewards---- Harness 4.
Average NSW Provincial Gallops Panel ( Newcastle) 4 stewards---- Harness 2
Average NSW Country Gallops ( Muswellbrook) 3 stewards--- Harness 2
so whilst ever we continue to under staff the stewards panels things will be missed it is as simple as that, they the stewards are not supermen.
Screamin Seaman was beaten a half head today. Attacked Grand Stride for the lead in 26 and change. Sat parked before going after Grand Stride again from the 600m getting the better of him (2-7 Fav) in deep stretch before being nailed late one of Neil Day's which had the dream trip just off them ... in 1.53 and change !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harold Parker
Amazing what happens when there isn't a heavily supported stablemate on the engine in need of protection.
Hi guys, any recent tips for this one so far? https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png
The day after the last post in this thread which you resurrected Don, was Feb 29 in 2012 - a leap year, so my tip is that it is only 6mths till our next leap year.
Just sayin but it is good to have someone to talk to Don, you're tracking as number 1 poster of late.
Almost couldn't believe my eyes when I read this......I wonder how many others might have got bitten, this one went on for something like 6 years!!!!!
http://www.harnesslink.com/Internati...squalification
I can't believe you would be paying up for a horse without sighting it or having it at least trial in 6 years.
Michael Jnr has a positive swab to bi carb as well now.
Agree Greg
Something is not right here !
Mythical horse, and 6 years of payment?
you should listen to an interview Shane Anderson did this morning with Reid Sanders regarding the situation.
The person in question is quite elderly and did make attempts to see the horse
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Originally Posted by mightymo
thanks Harvey, don't suppose you have a link or any other info?
https://audioboom.com/publishing/pla...ght=590px#Reid Sanders COO Harness Racing NSW following the suspension handed down to Michael Day yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Danno
not sure if that worked.
Go to rsn.net.au and scroll down under "listen again" till you find the Reid Sanders interview
Looks like they took it out already. https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png