HAHAHA brilliant..........my next horse will be named "SEVEN" or maybe "THURSTON IS KING" loved that result last night!
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HAHAHA brilliant..........my next horse will be named "SEVEN" or maybe "THURSTON IS KING" loved that result last night!
I had a somewhat late dinner with 'she who must be obeyed' and then watched Paul Murray Live. These days I'd prefer to put my Jatz on a Farrier's Anvil and then proceed to repeatedly smash them with a hammer than watch a game of football of either code. Much rather watch Premier League Soccer or the NFL.
Interesting choice. Is that so you can cook up your muffins in between the players actually doing anything? Most boring sport I've ever had the displeasure of watching!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
Getting back on topic...there's a pretty fair whisper doing the rounds that 1 or more of the big farms are going to offer alternative terms on their service fees, as in 1 price for a pay on 42 day test and another for a pay on live foal and one is said to be going pay on live foal across the board. I recall Nevele R doing this with Rustler Hanover a fair few years back now...he was advertised with 2 prices, not sure how it turned out for them, but these days I think it would work well. There's a pretty fair market for services POLF terms, Art Official was struggling to get mares until they turned around and advertised him on a POLF basis and he duly served 200 or so mares. The Southern Hemisphere is without doubt THE most competitive market place there is going (due largely to open books) & the quality of sires available this time around is without precedent on top of which we have free access to sires here that a lot of Nth American Breeders can't get a mare booked into. Very interesting to see how things go.
No Prices yet but website indicates M3 is book full in Oz and CUF book full in Oz and Nz. Its getting to be a very compeditive and shrinking market so I imagine there will be an increasing number of payment options and multiple booking options available. Something I recall from the states is that some stallions that were POLF had different fees depending on if you got a colt or a fily.
That was definitely the case for Direct Scooter. As racehorses his fillies were generally pretty ordinary & so when that became well known they operated on the basis that if you got a filly you paid half what you paid if you got a colt.
I can think of a few sires available here where you'd much rather get a colt foal but then there's one or two where a filly would be very warmly welcomed too. I kind of doubt anyone here would have the Cajones required to highlight that 'can't sire a decent filly to save himself' sort of a shortcoming by way of advertising two different fees based on the sex of the resultant foal...but who knows? We live in hope.
Message from Alabar yesterday:
"Hi, the setting of service fees has hit a hitch as we need to possibly adjust them. This is taking longer than we had hoped.
We hope they will be set by next week. We're really sorry for this."
Wasn't thinking of the race course results as the catalyst for a difference in fee, but perhaps a discount for a commercial breeder who's stock are destined for the sales because at the sales there certainly is a difference in the average returns
Yep. Those are ultimately/effectively on par huh? My only fear is that officialdom might then use it as an excuse to once again avert their gaze from the issue of expanded racing opportunities for fillies and mares. That's the way some of these bozos think you know. You'd be gobsmacked by some of the ideas they get in their heads, especially where fillies & mares only racing is concerned.
TripleVs pay on live foal rumour he heard is true. http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=18540
POLF certainly has a full head of steam up now with Empire announcing it for all their stallions. I think its a good idea especially for small breeders but think its only fair enough if the studs are charging a booking/usage fee for their stallions as part of the deal as they (the studs) have costs to cover as well. As they say I guess we'll find out in the fullness of time what deals are actually in the offering. The turmoil in North America is to our advantage at least in the short term but after that who knows.
http://www.empirestallions.com/foaloption.html
It's on their website already.
POLF is going to be great for breeder's and a big thank's must got to Mr & Mrs James for the move.
It will not be easy or at all possible for some to offer POLF, with most service fee payment's being made
over 3Months Nov,Dec2012,Jan 2013 (that's a guess) they will now have to wait until Nov,Dec2013,Jan2014 holly shit
it could be as high as 80% of there income (that's a guess).
I could not operate for that period, with 20%income.(that's a guess).
That remains the biggest singlehanded total demolition job done a class Miracle Mile field that I have ever seen, bar none. God only knows what MR he would have returned had Menangle been in place at that time. I reckon that he'd have gone down around the low 1:48's or sub. Awesome horse, ruined racing for me for a fair while afterwards. Everything else seemed to be so pedestrian in comparison.
Alabar service fees are now on their website, including pay on live foal options
http://www.alabar.com.au/Stallions/t...m_medium=email
Looking at the Alabar Service fee's listed, even with GST included it looks glaringly obvious that owner's of broodmare's in Aus are being overcharged by around 25% in comparision to there NZ counterparts due to the conversion of the Aussie dollar to the limp NZ dollar.Quote:
Originally Posted by eliteblood
I believe Alabar needs to explain this.
After all if you buy a yearling from NZ you generally pay more, than for a similiar product here.
NZ broodmare owner's are win/win Aus broodmare owner's are just getting the short end of the deal. Am I wrong with my summations or do other's feel the same?
Stud fees are usually set in agreement with the American owners of the stallion.
To them the price is simply a figure. (Australasian dollars rather than Aust / NZ dollars.
If they wanted to take exchange rates into account the fee would be varying by the minute.
Australia has 10%GST included in the fee while NZ fees are the same figure with 15% GST added on.
In the washup NZ breeders pockets are emptied by an extra 5%.
When buying yearlings from NZ the exchange rate does come into effect. and $1000 nz costs an Aussie $780 from his pocket. Thus NZ yearings are cheaper for Ozzies tha Kiwis. Hence Ozzies have an advantage over Kiwis at NZ sales.. This is reflected in Sales results.
Are your summations wrong?...IMO Yes
Yes Tony, cheaper to buy them with the exchange rate but we still have to get them here (OZ),of course if you want to race here,and this must be taken into consideration when buying,especially if your buying more than one.Transport is bloody expensive.
2 true
I read this forum with interest and breeding season has snuck upon us again. I am a new breeder and enjoy gathering information before making the choice of sire. I have an Our Sir Vancelot mare of small to medium size and good conformation. As the broodmare statistics for OSV are a bit light on atm I have looked at Vance Hanovers record. The obvious success of In The Pocket cross intrigues me. Would people predict this cross to be successful with OSV also? The difficult part is two of the three ITP stallions at stud are a result of ITP over a Vance Hanover mare. Is the Vance Hanover too close to consider Courage or Changeover? Or should I ignore this and look down a different line altogether. I am happy and open to any advice. I enjoy sifting through the information.
Gtrain, Have you considered Julius Caesar, full brother to CC and leaving some nice horses.
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Originally Posted by gtrain
If you are looking primarily at these 2 stallions well CUF is FULL and CLOSED while if you want to look what Changeover is leaving have a look at....
http://www.nevelerstud.co.nz/weanlings
The filly by Holmes Dream (Dam of Bold Cruiser) You probably know his exploits as well as any.
the filly from Joyrock (dam of Waipawa Lad) NZ FFA G1
Click on the underlined hyperlink for pics.
Many thanks. She certainly lives up to the tough monicker. Raced injured most of her life and always put in just lacked some sheer speed. She is probably of a size that any sire would suit however a bit of extra size would assist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
Teecee the Holmes Dream filly certainly has some LEG!! Looks a massive filly!
Gtrain, FWIW - I also have a OSV mare who I have had a couple of foals out of already. Not overly large mare, similarly she was very tough on the track - she fell in track work as a juvenile injuring herself, but made it back to the track to win a race as a 4yo before we retired her.
Her first foal was a filly by Safari who was a little plain, (still only a yearling now and yet to have a full preparation), her second one though is by Always A Virgin who was a magnificent looking foal and is growing into a nice weanling - I think the breeding of Our Sir Vancelot suits Always a Virgin (peppertree have an article about AAV and the sire lines that suit him on their website).
I have also looked into CUF for her in the future as I think there is something to be said for the 3x3 Vance Hanover worked for one of his best in Lanercost. Good luck with her - looking forward to hearing more about the progeny of OSV.
You must have read my mind Pete as AAV is definitely a sire of interest for me. His progeny look fantastic and he was an under rated horse IMO. Also he has a cracking name and I can't wait to hear some of the offspring!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
[VVV] I always thought he was a GREAT gaited horse too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gtrain
Looks magnificent in the videos however after the open day at Peppertree all anyone could talk about was Sportwriter and whether or not Heaven is 14 hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
What was said about Sportswriter Grant?? Also is Heaven a midget or something?????? Any other news from the open day re stallions?
Just that he looked magnificent. There was a great deal of conjecture about the size of Heaven with many believing he was much smaller than being reported. I was not there but while not big I don't believe he is a midget.
One thing's for sure, we're spoilt for choice here in Oz, like no other year that I can recall.
I've found myself thinking that almost every season for the past 5 years or so but this year it is way out beyond all expectations.
We have access to no less than...
4 of the top 5, 8 of the top 10 and 15 of the top 20 current season US 2yo Pacing Sires, the only notable absence being Dragon Again.
4 of the top 5, 6 of the top 10 and 14 of the top 20 current season US 3yo Pacing Sires, the notable absences-Dragon Again & Camluck.
3 of the top 5, 5 of the top 10 and 11 of the top 20 current season US All Age Pacing Sires, the notable absences- Dragon Again & Camluck.
Not bad. Not bad at all.
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Originally Posted by Gtrain
[VVV] Hey Grant, they're still doing well.
Late last week/over the weekend AAV had 3 x 30k ISS Gold winners & 1 x 10k ISS Silver winner...2 geldings (Raise The Gin in 1:53.3 & Mr Virgin in 1:53.4) a colt (Crazy Fast Speed in 1:55.1) & a filly (Dirt Diamond) in 1:53.4.
For what it's worth, Raise The Gin's from a Direct Scooter mare, Mr Virgin's from a Real Artist mare, Crazy Fast Speed's from a Yankee Cruiser mare and Dirt Diamond's from a Sportsmaster mare.
I happened to see as much. Solid start to a siring career and does seem a value stallion. Spoilt for choice now. Game where your never wrong and a genius if really right!
That's the ticket. Not always right but never in doubt.
BTW...it seems to have thus far flown under the radar thus far but Nevele R now has frozen semen from Well Said. I think he's $8,000 POLF or thereabouts. I believe the Hanover crew are very impressed with the quality of his youngsters.
I'll tell you what's pretty funny though. Have a look at the web page.
http://www.nevelerstud.co.nz/well-said
That's not Well Said & Ron Pierce.
That's a Jug winner but it's actually a picture of Shadow Play & Dave Miller.
For years Bob used to have a picture of Precious Bunny standing in for Silk Legacy.
Old habits die hard. ;)
It certainly looks a lot brighter and drier than Well Saids LBJ!! Much better looking photo that Well Saids would be. He would appear to be priced in a tough bracket at 8k I would think. Not knocking the horse at all however if I compare him to RNRHeaven I would much rather Heaven. Heaven appears to be a much fresher newer and far more impressive sire line. Some of the Western Hanover sons deeds in Aus have been so so.
Hi Grant
Well Said is priced in a tough bracket but then again he was a good racehorse from a strong family and at $8k i think that's good value considering he stands for $15k at Hanover Shoe Farms. Being Western Hanover's 2nd best son i think it put's him well above the Western Hanover's that have graced this part of the world before so i think if given the chance he will do a good job. Another one of Western Hanover's son's that has semen available out here is Western Ideal, when he first had semen available he was $18,700 but his fee has been lowered to $11k and i think he has done a great job in the states being the sire of Rocknroll Hanover, American Ideal and now the newcommer to Alabar Big Jim so he would be worth a go aswell.
That's the same pic as on the USTA stallion showcase so that is probably where they got it fromQuote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
Just had another look on the USTA pic and it has Well Said on the saddle pad, so I'd say it is him
Hi Rena
They changed pick earlier today after they were alerted that they had a pic of Shadow Play as Well Said.