Sorry,thought 3200,don't know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by p plater
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Sorry,thought 3200,don't know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by p plater
I've watched the replay a few times now. My eyes keep getting drawn back to Christen Me. Looked in second gear and was holding off ITMQ in full flight. This guy could be anything.
The way I see ITMQ is this. His greatest advantage is his sheer athletcism and beautiful balance, so he can hit top speed on the bend at GP. Normal horses can't do that. They need to cruise around the bend, get to the top of the straight, balance up and then sprint. By this stage at GP ITMQ is mid sprint while the rest are just getting started. He can give them a start and round them up. He's a wonderful horse, he has changed what "normal" is at GP. The great ones rewrite the script like he has.
However, at Menangle every horse has the opportunity to get in a good 350m sprint and even out to 500m at the point of the turn as that bend is so long and sweeping. The swoopers lose their advantage there. He won't be able to give the field a big start (I have him 1x6 on settling) and will need to do work mid race to be in a position to strike. Can he sprint, settle, and sprint again? I don't know, I can't recall him doing that before (if someone can tell me where to see a replay of him doing it please let me know) and plenty have been burned when he has gone forward early only to find nothing when it matters. There are too many ifs with him for me to take anything like $3.00-$3.20 on offer. For me it is Carribean Blaster. He has the ideal draw and he has proved at the top level this season how tough and brilliant he can be, whichever is required at the time. He is very underrated in my opinion.
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Washakie in the same category as Smoken Up,and I don't mean retired - you misinterpreted. Glad you used Washakie as an example because it does prove that times don't mean a great deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toohard
As Gary Hall Snr said, when they sent Washakie to Queensland,'' he was an inferior horse to ITMQ.''
Thanks teecee, will avoid them in future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
Apologies in advance teecee! I just don't understand!! What am I missing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
Rod, please show me where I'm misinterpreting.
In post 25 you said:
"Another point, note how fast W.A. horses are, over at Menangle, I'm Victorius 1:52.7, MMM 1:52.2 after 3 wide in the first 300 and both unextended. "
I made the point that that is not fast at all. I used a list of times that included Smoken Up as an example.
You came back with an irrelevant comment about Smoken Up.
So I took Smoken Up out of my example and used Washakie.
Now you say:
"Washakie in the same category as Smoken Up,and I don't mean retired - you misinterpreted."
Washakie in same category as Smoken Up? Which category? The 2 fastest horses ever around Menangle category?
You also said:
"Glad you used Washakie as an example because it does prove that times don't mean a great deal."
But they did in post #25 ??
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The way I see ITMQ is this. His greatest advantage is his sheer athletcism and beautiful balance, so he can hit top speed on the bend at GP. Normal horses can't do that. They need to cruise around the bend, get to the top of the straight, balance up and then sprint. By this stage at GP ITMQ is mid sprint while the rest are just getting started. He can give them a start and round them up. He's a wonderful horse, he has changed what "normal" is at GP. The great ones rewrite the script like he has.
Glen, his dominance at GP puts me in mind of another great 'horses for courses champ' Chief De Beers who had 51 starts and won 20 of them. Every single win was at Doomben...
ITMQ brilliant wind-ups and sprints around those corners at GP were breath taking. That long straight the other day in the trial was a different story.
Do not want to argue with you any more, please refer to Big K's thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toohard
So, you ITMQ analysts out there, was the Menangle straight too long for him today? He was hitting the line hard after a sub 55 last 800. Speed is speed, on any size track, around bends or on straights. He showed speed in the trial onTuesday, speed on Thursday and speed today. He was simply faster than than all the others. I think sometimes these things get over-analysed.
Dont want to argue with you either Rod. Its too hard to work out what arguing about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
Horse went super today. Awesome. Beat that field easy and driven absolutely perfectly.
A great days racing and new facilities at Menangle fantastic. Going to be the best when all finished. Considering all the rain (was still raining here at 6am this morning)
conditions were almost perfect when we got there.
Great job HRNSW.
Absolutely stunning. What a run and what a win. He's stamped himself as a true champion for sure.
To have him peaking at exactly the right moment was a great training performance and the drive from Junior was ice cold. And that speed, spine tingling.
What was really pleasing was that the two races shown on free to air were both awesome performances that are the perfect advertisement for the sport. I would have been happy to just see Christen Me's performance in the day and then Quinn comes along and adds the gravy.
Hopefully it will get more people involved/interested.
Also, the day itself was brilliant. So many top shelf races to support the big one. HRNSW has done a great job.
Nothing but positives from yesterday for me (well, when I ignore my account balances it is all sunny)
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Originally Posted by HISGEN65
well I guess a small part of my pre-race post was right BUT jeezzz Quinny proved me wrong..& Im glad he did..
I was so pumped I headed straight outside & worked a few...that was awesome Quinny..simply inspiring..!!!!
72.2% of posters wrong on this thread and I'm among them, I have never been a "bagger" of ITMQ, in fact last year I thought he was a special, however I thought the track would play against him this year among other things, well I'm glad to say I was very wrong, a sensational performance from the little horse with the big finish!
Cheers,
Dan
Some pearlers if you read through this thread. What was that Aussiebreno guy thinking Quinny could only get home in 27.5. Pfft what an idiot!!!! Anyone else game to repost their posts? A few posters might be in hiding though!Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
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Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Yeah aussie,
It was a great song, Simon & Garfunkels....... The Sound of Silence.
Jeez,I screamed and roared when Quinny loomed up around the turn,nearly blew the roof of me house half way down that loooong straight and then punched the air like I just floored Mundine when he tore to the front.Haven't felt like that since...never!,amazing what that great little horse can do for your well being.Ya gotta love Harness Racing when your favourite horse wins the big one's!!
"Without qualification"
" IMTHEMIGHTYQUINN est verum validus quod pango "
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Good onya Ron, after the run yesterday, how could any of us say it any other way, other than in english rather than latin.....Quote:
Originally Posted by 2minuteman
cheers,
Dan
Could not find a Laurel leaf garland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
ITMQ, The most comprehensive victory of all time in arguably the best field in an I.D. Final.
ITMQ is no doubt a sensational horse, but it amazes me a bit how well he goes with no Smoken Up in the race (or takes little/no part) compared to how he goes when Smoken Up is in the race and is doing his thing.
For whatever reason, and don't jump down my throat, there is a marked difference, that is all I am saying.
What? Smoken Up creates pace = Quinny runs over them easier. Head to head record suggests that.Quote:
Originally Posted by little fish
I made the comment with the following races in mind,
2012 Victoria Cup
2011 Victoria Cup
2011 Miracle Mile
2011 Inter Dominion
Smoken Up, when contesting races against ITMQ and racing somewhere near his best, has had a significant impact on ITMQ's performance in said races.
What have I said that is wrong?
That's a bit like saying Mr Feelgood has a big impact on how Blacks a Fake raced and basing it on only the 2009 ID while ignoring a handful of other races.Quote:
Originally Posted by little fish
Rather strange comment indeed.
ITMQs performances in 2012 Vic Cup (still run of the race) and Miracle Mile were down a shade due to being burnt out of the gate. Not because of Smoken Up. 2011 ID ITMQ won. 2011 Vic Cup ITMQ was crook.
All of ITMQ's wins have been pretty amazing, but to me his three stand out wins have been the 2012 I.D.Final, as we know the horse was on the verge of being scratched because of an elevated temperature, and the way he won, Brian Hancock stated, "No horse should be able to do that." The 2013 I.D. heat win in an amazing 1:54:7 over 2536 metres on an 800 metre track;by far the most impressive of all the heat wins, and of course his 2013 win. I think ITMQ has raced a few times with a few issues that may have affected him but the horse has thickened out with age, has become a lot stronger and mentally on cue. Having said all of that, if he maintains this sort of racing level then with all due respect to Smoken Up or any other horse for that matter, as Newt said in my favourite Sci - Fi horror movie 'Aliens'......."it wont make any difference".Quote:
Originally Posted by little fish
Understand where your coming from Barry, SU up front running them along and IMQ finishing all over them if good enough with the faster speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by little fish
Just for the record and I think this is Barry's point....3009m run in a mile rate of 1.58.1 ...track records show only one other race over 3009m, a TROT STAND run in a mile rate of 2.01.2..........They may have gone a lot quicker if SU had been there.
Just a thought......Well done IMQ
ITMQ and SU have clashed 8 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by little fish
ITMQ finished (officially) ahead of SU 6 of the 8 times.
In these 8 clashes, ITMQ has finished out of the top three places only once.
In these 8 clashes SU has finished out of of the top three places 4 times.
Hardly an argument to say that SU actually made a marked difference to ITMQ, I'd say. So, in half of those clashes SU was unplaced.
SU is a great champion. He is the fastest miler in Australasia and as tough as any horse that has ever raced. He rightly and deservedly has his place in the list of our greatest champions. However, he has not been shown to be superior to ITMQ.
Posted something here a while back:Quote:
Originally Posted by little fish
http://www.harnessracingforum.com/sh...ntle-Cup/page3
Look in that attachment (its not very clear sorry but hard to get formatting right on here).
At top. Ignore the later comments as was having some fun with Brendan.
The horse would appear to be driven differently when Smoken Up is in the race. He runs the gate when he can so he can be up closer.
That's not his caper imo.
His caper is what he did on Sunday. I made comment to someone on here before the race that I thought he would win with the proviso "Don't run the gate Gary". When he didn't, race was over at winning post first time imo.
They 2 great horses but very hard to compare them to each other given their different racing styles.
Could Smoken Up do what ITMQ did Sunday? No way imo. Not his caper.
Could ITMQ sit outside Blacks A Fake and win a Miracle Mile? No way imo. Not his caper. Could he do what Smoken Up did in the Len Smith? No way imo.
The discussion will go on forever! We should just count ourselves lucky we have them both going around and promoting the discussion.
Exactly right. Two different horses. It's like trying to compare Black Caviar and Makybe Diva, Usain Bolt and Stephen Kiprotich. They have different abilities which win them races. Smoken Up shouldn't be lambasted because he doesn't have electrifying high speed and ITMQ shouldnt be lambasted because he isn't as tough as old boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toohard
Happy Im Themightyquinn day gents! 5 years to the day since one of the greatest performances we've ever seen. Still gives me shivers.
Same here Brent, Don’t think I’ll ever forget that, I still remember Mount Eden’s MM, Those type of performances definitely stick in your memory