I like seeding because I think that will lead to more even heats. For me, its not about trying to look after the best horses.
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I like seeding because I think that will lead to more even heats. For me, its not about trying to look after the best horses.
Hi Triple
I agree with you totally, it should not happen at all.
Hi Buster
A cunning genius i must say i do like your style lol.
I'd say that will be the end of Medal of Honour's APG campaign, broke in the score up and broke again on the home turn at Dubbo. I would expect it will be stood down for a trial or two. A bit of a shame as he was one of NSW best chances and a good heat winner last week!
The fields for round 2 certainly reflect the relevance of seeding. I think there is a clear pick in each heat. Mark Purdon will have to think a little more than he needed two a fortnight ago with a tricky draw for his champ, however he should be able to win from anywhere on past performances. Valencia is a standout. Gamechanger and I think Medal of Honour, as I believe Western Rockster has lost his early season ascendancy.
the 2nd round needs to be seeded otherwise they'd end up with 4 or 5 horse with the same points for the final in the cut off region
It is a serious wank that on one hand many amongst Australian Harness Racing Industry Administration will wring their hands and tug their forelocks with regard to the number of Odds On shots in racing in general whilst at the same time happily continuing the absurd & non-competitive practice of seeding Futurity & Age Classic Racing Heats...be they APG, ABC, Derby,Oaks & so on...the outcome duly being a series of Odds On shots in as many Heats as there are to be conducted...and solely of their own creation. Their hypocrisy seemingly knows no boundaries. Talk about a rampant case of do as I say and not as I do.
I think in the long run for punting $$$ the seeding works.Quote:
Originally Posted by triplev123
Yeah in the heats you might sacrifice say $10K but that will be more than made up for in the final should all the big guns be there.
for the most part these races are funded by the breeders/owners, so they should be looked after first - punters are dead for the trots that ship has sailed
Even Buster can see the folly in it. He writes [for the most part these races are funded by the breeders/owners, so they should be looked after first ]
The fact that there is seeding in the Heats for Futurity events when EVERYONE has had to shell out the SAME amount of $$$ in order to be there is a HUGE slap in the face to all those bar the Owner/s of the seeded hot pot/s. It is an anti-competitive practice that servers to disadvantage some and advantage others and it should cease immediately. That is simply NOT what Futurity Racing is all about.
It could be argued it makes it fairer overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by triplev123
What if Western Rockstar drew in a heat against Fly Like An Eagle; Soho Valencia; Gamechanger; Teniamo whilst Desirable Guy finished first with a trifecta of No Fixed Address and Minti Choice (no disrespect to their 2 connections but from my quick glance they have worst number form)
Thats not fair to inferior horses who drew a semi final like heat whereas another horse finished placings in sub par fields.
G'day Breno,
Try as a might I can't follow that line of thinking. How can it possibly be said to be fairer overall than a system where you take your chances & let the chips fall where they may...i.e a random drawing of Heats from the overall pool of horses nominated and then a random draw for Barriers in each Heat from there?
If three or four of the topliners happen to draw into the one Heat then that's racing. You take your lumps. The way things are at present, the seeding produces a playing field that is less than level, it serves to further stack the game in favour of those horses already regarded as better/the best.
The Futurity aspects of it particularly bugs the Hell out of me.
Why should anyone who pays up for any futurity event conducted under that sort of a system automatically go in with effectively what amounts to a handicap? Total pool of noms- randomly drawn into Heats then random draw for Barriers. That is fair because that is a system that relies on nothing else but luck/good fortune. Anything else, at least to my way of thinking, is simply not fair.
Its a bit like tennis grand slams. Its hardly fair for Federer to meet Nadal in Rd 1 while Djokovic meets an unseeded wildcard; then in another game seed 128 takes on seed 256.Quote:
Originally Posted by triplev123
What about a match race series at Menangle. It would seem odd in Round 1 for Themightyquinn to meet Smoken Up if in another heat Lady Lexus was coming up against Holy Camp Boy.
I think its a no-win situation as I also see your point. At the end of the day if you are good enough (and well mannered) you should get to the final 9 times out of 10 no matter the system.
Its better than thoroughbreds big races eg Magic Millions, Blue Diamond, Golden Slipper where the lesser likes don't even get the chance to win their way through in heats; they just get balloted out straight away.
Quite right with the tennis analogy Breno.
I look at the seeding scenario this way.
There is always a pretty good idea of the top 10 seeds, who as Breno says will most of the time make the Final. All 40 odd different owners know who they are, but all 40 are still wishing/hoping their horse who may be "seeded" in the bottom 20, may make the final.
So,
If the first heats are randomly released and 3 out of the series top guns fall into 1 heat, how disappointed are the owners of the other 7 horses in that heat? They may finish 5th and not qualify to go further, while other horses of similar ability in the "weak heat" scrape thru and earn more money! Hence, I feel it's more unfair for the midrange horses in a random selection process rather than seeded like tennis.
Also if Federer didn't get to as many finals because he got put out by Raffa in the first or second round the final wouldn't be the blockbuster it could/should be.
This applies to creating a buzz for trots fans by the top 5 seeds dueling in the final. This equates to more attendance to Breeders days and similar carnivals.
The Dizzy Rascal drive by Seijka shows how ordinary a driver she really is. If only I was a pretty blonde who had a stable full of winners to drive every week I could drive 100 wins in a season as well
Credit where credit is due Seijka was able to get on the back of Mr Nickel and gave Medal of Honour every chance despite the result; hard from the draw and back there.