Right on there. He was jet-black and whiter than white. His markings were just stunning. Sam Zammit had him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Showgrounds
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Right on there. He was jet-black and whiter than white. His markings were just stunning. Sam Zammit had him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Showgrounds
Snow Report was another that raced in the very late 70's and eighties.
Holstein is out of a mare by Flying Jaguar, a skewbald stallion who got his colour from his dam's site Damien Chief. Damien Chief was a son of Snow Time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Snowflake's dominant blood keeps throwing coloured Standardbreds, even though you have to go back six generations in the pedigree to find her!
Holstein Winner Winner Chicken Dinner
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...20#SPC06042005
Edit: Hopefully Mediatec will remember to put up the replays some time soon (it is 3˝hrs since R1 but it still isn't up)
Replay is up now - he is a little horse
TAB always has replays up much quicker than Harness.org !Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Yes, but I can generally wait for harness.org's usual 30min lag and it saves me the rigmarole of logging into TAB
Holstein having his second start in the last at Shep 9.30 tonight
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...20#SPC29042003
As far as I can tell, 2yo Skewbald Got The Looks having his first start in R1 at Stawell tomorrow
is the first sired by Flying Jaguar to make it to the races
That is a big deal when you consider that over the last 10yrs he has had 46 foals reach racing age
If Got The Looks takes after dad, I reckon I would be able to make him out from the nearby Hospital car park, with the naked eye
Click on Flying Jaguar's name in his breeding in the form guide (link below) to be taken to his HRA page which includes a pic
http://www.harness.org.au/form.cfm?m...rc=SWC23092007
We didn't really get a look at Got The Looks
He galloped soon after the start and was trailed off out of camera
I didn't seem much colour on him
and I think I may have seen bigger horses in a pony trot
First starter in the 2yo at Horsham tomorrow, Remi Magic would already be a bit of a disappointment to the Tindales
You only breed to a non performer like Ernie Eldorado (skewbald) in the hope of producing a skewbald but Remi is a bay
Ernie is listed as a gelding nowadays but he did produce 5 foals, the 2 that were skewbalds were never named
Ernieson (bay also) has made it to the races but is unplaced in a career of 10 starts so far
It would seem to be up to Remi Magic (and the last of Ernie's foals, only a yearling) to make Ernie Eldorado a success
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...21#HSC08032107
Holy Cow Batman
I didn't realize Ernie Eldorado (see above post) is back racing and is in at Horsham too!
Before becoming a sire, he had 3 starts as a 2yo way back in 2012-13
He had 2 starts about this time last year and after another year off he is back tomorrow as a 10yo having his 6th start
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...21#HSC08032105
On today's performance, it is hard to believe Ernie finished 3rd in a race last year
Remi Magic went very respectably for a 2yo first starter finishing 4/6 and I expect that she will one day find the right race and make Ernie the sire of a winner
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...21#HSC08032107
I was looking at the first season sires table and I noticed a skewbald stallion (sire of 4 only) has had his most recent foal make it to the races in SA
What I found amazing is that his skewbald sire Flying Jaguar has sired 50 but as yet only 1 has made it to the races and now a 3yo was last beaten by a total of 270m in his two 2yo starts
Flying Jaguar has 2 weanlings and 2 yearlings still to come to try and improve this deplorable record
This good looking boy is responsible for some massive wastage
They breed for pretty horse Kev, not performance. If the stallion had been acting of the mill bay it would have been gelded as a youngster!Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
But 50 Trevor - unbelievable
You have to wonder how many were broken and tried. A mate of mine stood a beautiful looking piebald stockhorse a few years ago and it covered a dozen mares in its first season. At $3,000 a pop! Just so somebody could grab about their pretty foal. Then again, there seems to be no shortage of people silly enough to stump up 7 or 8 grand for a French Bulldog pup!
The question is who would have bred a mare to the unraced Flying Jaguar had it been a plain old bay? It's maternal sire Damien Chief, a piebald, was also unraced. 23 live foals for zero starters was his contribution to the gene pool. That just reinforces my view about coloured horses. They are sometimes referred to as freaks of nature in standardbreds. The real freaks are ones that actually race and win!
Agree, but understandable as the people who breed coloured standardbreds do so as fanciers of equine art pieces in preference to racehorses. Check the paint horses in Flying Jaguars pedigree and you'll find even more damning statistics. His maternal dam sire Damien Chief was by the piebald Snowtime, which sired some handy horses and was son of good old Snowflake. Her once potent bloodlines that left smart horses in the '50s and '60s have been diluted to irrelevance to the breed.
In making this sweeping statement look no further than the unraced (surprise, surprise) Damien Chief's stud record. 28 live foals, zero starters. His grandson Flying Jaguar might be considered the high achiever of the family, at least he had ONE starter!
Breeding unraced mares to unraced stallions and repeating the dose for the subsequent generation then standing the resulting colt at stud does not sound like a recipe to get the successor to Bettors Delight. Especially when you are making your breeding decision based on colour.
Yes Kev, 1 starter from 50 foals is appalling on face value. But that figure is heavily skewed because the foals demonstrably are being bred primarily for appearance. You would think breeding a foal good enough to race would be well down the order of priorities for these breeders.
“Before I die I want to see a Skewbald win a major Group 1 race and this bloke has ticked all the right boxes so far."
http://www.harnesslink.com/Internati...coloured-dream
I would love to see it too but he doesn't look like a skewbald (maybe his right side?)
Lot 136 at the Melbourne APG is a Palomino!
https://harnesslink.com/australia/ap...a-world-first/
Here's hoping he is better than the one in the post above (yet to race) but I don't hold much hope as his Sire and Grandsire had no ability (I went to Horsham to see his first start)
He would be great for the sport
Fancy paying up for the APG for this thing when you could use the money as a down payment on the harbour bridge! Stats don't lie, the vendor would be better off copping 10 grand for it as a show horse.
I can remember a good horse that appeared all white but was probably a light grey that raced with distinction at the Showgrounds around about 1970.
I thought the name might have been Beechworth but a search says no such horse existed. I have a vague recollection that he also had a bit of a strange action in that he threw his near hind leg out.
Can anyone remember the name of the horse I am thinking of
A grey gelding from SA called Beechway but, for whatever reason, is not listed on the HRA website. Pretty sure he was by the great sire Sheffield Globe and both his hind legs swung like a pendulum. But he was a grey, not a palomino. I'll go through my old racebooks and find him. A safe bet he had Machine Again in his maternal pedigree to be a grey.
I found him, a 1966 grey gelding by Sheffield Globe from Beauty Point. Here is his pedigree:
https://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/...pedigree/68099
I lost my bet about Machine Again being in his pedigree, the grey colour comes from his maternal 4th dam Blue Glen, who was born 100 years ago in NZ. Beachway was the second foal of the Good Report mare Beauty Point, the first being Kevin Brook's top trotter Beau Power which won an Australasian Trotters Championship when that grandiose title meant something.
Thanks so very, very much Trevor, for years I have never been able to find him - Beachway, I knew it was a compound word with a space but was thinking Bee
Now that I finally have a name, when I get back to the Gap, I will now be able to look up his performances in the Year Books
You described his hind leg action perfectly
I see Beauty Point only had 2 filly half sisters to Beachway and although one bred on, the line has now died out
I see the 2nd dam has a few descendants listed on ClassicFamilies so I will be researching her tomorrow.
Thanks again Trevor
https://classicfamilies.azurewebsite...rseID=10015685
Beachway belongs to the N124 family (not particularly strong) which is called the Blue Glen family after the 1921 NZ grey mare of that name (we know her dam Sylvia was also grey) hence his colour
One of Blue Glen's foals was the 1945 roan filly Power Point (NZ born but not in their db ?) which was exported to Australia and is Beachway's 2nd dam
Blue Glen's other daughter Shady Glen bred on through her daughters Blue Cloud (in NZ db !) and Glen Grattan (not in NZ db ?) who were also exported to Australia
Which is why most of this New Zealand family is/was in Australia
A half bro of Beachway's was Beau Power who won the 1971 Gp1 Vic Australasian Trotting Championship (won by Maori Law last year)
In the late 1970's I was involved with an owner who bought a broodmare we sourced in NZ. A Lumber Dream mare, also named Blue Glen! A bay, not a grey.
When the AHRI facebook page highlighted the coming Melbourne Lot 136
A poster mentioned a 1940's horse Palomino Girl who raced (in NSW?) but when you search for her on HRA you wont find her listed as one of the two starters of her sire, Royals Last.
You will however see that she is listed as Cream
She had a few foals, 3 listed as Cream and one - Turbid (1952) definitely raced
There are also 2 full bro's of Turbid's listed as Chestnut
T. Pryor NSW is listed as Palomino Girls breeder
ClassicFamilies lists her as the foundation mare for family A2041
https://classicfamilies.azurewebsite...rseID=10206095
If anybody knows anything at all about this mare, I would love to hear more
The iron mare and Inter-dom champion Evicus was from a coloured mare.
Milky Way, the dam of Evicus and at least 5 Classic winners was from Watsons Cream mare.
Evicus
Date of Birth 1929 Sex F Born In AUS
Family A702 - Milky Way
Mile Rate 2:13.4 Earnings -
Classic Relations 5 Siblings, 0 Offspring
Notes Career: 364 34 - 50 - 42. Won 34 races (11 - Elphin (Tas); 6 - Elwick (Tas); 4 - Harold Park (NSW); 2 - Carrick (Tas), new Ascot (Vic), Mowbray (Tas), Richmond (NSW); 1 - Ashburton (NZ), Avoca (Tas), Deloraine (Tas), Ascot (Tas), Victoria Park (NSW)). Ran second to New Derby in two way time trial (race timed 2:02 3/4)
Watsons Creamy Mare
189- - A702 Untraced sire (Aust)
There's a story from Trove here:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...0interdominion
Thanks Noel, you had me excited that I might find more for Milky Way had a couple of Cream fillies who then had a couple of Cream fillies but after that the milk ran out
Tasmanian family Kev. Prefer beer to milk.
Good one
Oh yes
It is clearly so
I am finally back home!Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Beachway
3yo: debuted late in his 3yo year on July 28 at Bolivar SA and finished 12th of 14 in a 3yo Stand. His only start for the season
4yo: following on from his 3yo debut, 3 more SA starts in August and September - All LAST and that was all we saw of him as a 4yo. Of course we have no way of knowing if he was struggling or if it was manners
5yo: 1 only start in a TROT at Bolivar again on June 6 (1972) for last once more
6yo: 1 only start in a TROT at Gawler on March 20 for last once more
7yo: Back to pacing and he wins his first race at 7, misses out next start then wins 4 in a row. His season's record ends up, a very impressive 14-7-4-0. He did a couple of quick back ups winning at Mildura one time and 2nd there in the Northern Region Championship behind 5 times Showgrounds winner Aerogram. He had one start at the Showgrounds on November 17, 1974 finishing 2nd - I must have been there!
8yo: only 1 start in the last month of the season, finishing last at Globe Derby
9yo: 7 SA starts for 3 placings
10yo: 6 SA starts with the first a win at Globe Derby on a Saturday night
11yo: 8 starts all Saturday nights at Globe Derby with 1 win and 2 placings
The 1978 Year Book is the last that I have, so I don't know whether he raced as a 12yo
I find it incredible that he only raced at the Melbourne Showgrounds once (2nd) and yet left such an impression on me
I know she finished last of 6 in the 2yo maiden at Bendigo tonight
but Skewbald filly Shikoba on that time is capable of ending a run of 3 winless skewbald dams in her pedigree
She has already been the first to make it to the races
You have to go back to the 6th dam to find a bay mare who made it to the races (and she won)
It would be nice to see the dedicated fan of coloured horses - Kerrie Hymers, breed the first skewbald winner for this experiment started by the Fliedners of NSW
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...22#BNC19072207
Check out the pedigree of the filly's dam Calico Cat. Crosses of my old mate Snowtime, who you'll find in the pedigree of most coloured standardbreds, on both sides of her pedigree four generations back. Throw in the grey stallion Laag, you're almost assured of getting a splash of colour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
http://https://www.harness.org.au/au...edigree/591312
The mare has now had six foals, all fillies and all coloured. And all by American stallions but Shikoba the only won to race so far.
Here is a beauty
Airlie Beach = Cattlewash x Sweet Lilyfire
Edit: Having searched high and low for this foal, I now belatedly provide the link (Answer- she is from Ireland)
https://harnesslink.com/uk-ire/pinto...e-at-racetime/