That is right Toni but the reason doofus me asked, was me erronously thinking that report you quoted was from NewcastleQuote:
Originally Posted by Race For Fun
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That is right Toni but the reason doofus me asked, was me erronously thinking that report you quoted was from NewcastleQuote:
Originally Posted by Race For Fun
All we want is consistent rulings.
Is it only me or is any body else sick and tired of seeing Seel N Print being positioned last or tucked away on the rails near last. If this is how this horse races then I would think that a New Zealand Cup campaign would be a waste of time.
They won't be getting home in 27.2 and 27.1 in a NZ Cup which brings Seel N Print style right back into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
What about in the NZ free For All, S'N'P led easily, gave up the lead got shuffled back...........did not run on!.........maybe that's why they normally restrain at the start!.........I think that maybe the travel, plus his form has been tapering off in recent runs, and therefore really needs a spell or freshen up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
When I started this thread, my concern was the judgement shown by the driver. After last nights MM maybe it should be directed to the stable. Both horses had no chance after 400m and the lead at all costs mentality must be questioned. Did these horses finish in their best possible positions? How do the owners feel?
On another note, only in March this year L. Panella got 8 weeks for careless driving in the Inter Final which finished the career of I'm Victorious. Then last night the same careless driving, this time into Avonova, thankfully no career ending injury but the stewards give her 5 weeks. These are the cream of the crop horses and this type of driving must stop and 5 weeks for a 2nd charge in 8months (with 2 months suspended from driving) is imo inconsistent policing.How can you get less the 2nd time both in Group1 races.
totally agree bailey,six months would have been generous.....this driver has an attitude problem as to rules of race driving and a good long break from driving looking over the fence, i think,would do more good than therapy sessions.
Couldn't agree more Bailey.Quote:
Originally Posted by p plater
Regarding last nights race, I believe the Avonnova camp should also be hanging their heads.
The 5 weeks is a joke, she all but killed 2 horses in the last 12 months, somehow didnt bring both fields down and now this.Got no idea how to drive in a field or push out. If this was the throughbreds she lose her metro licence,and be sent back to the trails
This is exactly what should happen. But whether the board/stewards have got the balls to do it is another matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackthepunter
What you do then is put conditions on her trial drives.
(1) Do a significant number (don't state a figure) of satisfactory drives.
(2) Must drive at tracks of different size (1400, 1000 & 800 metre tracks).
(3) Must go back at the start and be in the one of the last two positions for the first half of the trial, and then make a forward move.
(4) Must not cause any interference or she starts again at zero.
(5) If she gets put back to zero a second time, her driving licence is cancelled.
This lead at all costs and knock 'em over mentality MUST stop.
Maybe the stewards should have a closer look at this matter, I have been made aware of an incident that happened 12 months ago, in fact the 2013 running of the Newcastle Mile in November. There was an adjourned inquiry after the race, the result of that inquiry appeared sometime later in a Menangle report. The result reads:
RACE 7 THE NEWCASTLE MILE
Ms L Panella plead guilty to a charge pursuant to Rule 163(1)(a) in that between the 1400 and the 1200 metres she placed undue pressure on BEAUTIDE resulting in that horse making contact with marker pegs and racing rough when being restrained to avoid her sulky wheel. L Panella was suspended for a period of 14 days which will commence at midnight on 14 December 2013 the conclusion of a previous suspension and expire at midnight 28 December 2013.
Maybe this young lady has to curb her killer instinct and act a lot safer in races. Not our pin up girl with this history.
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Originally Posted by p plater
That was to go with the 4 weeks she copped from the 1st race that same night.
All horses in the stable seemed to lose a leg last night, not a single placing and most were gone and dropping out at the 400 metres. Anything mentioned in the stewards reports?
The constant critique of her driving is getting old.
You guys are MIA when she's driving winner after winner ... yet a night or two without one and you're all over her.
She wanted the lead last night and had a serious dip for it. The 5 weeks is a joke.
As for whether or not she's the pin up girl for the industry, she should be.
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Originally Posted by HaroldParker
The problem Bob is that leading she's fine, if she can't get it, a lot of the time she's a menace.
I hope you are talking with your tongue firmly planted in your cheek Harold. The criticism is based on the amount of interference she causes in big races, not the amount or lack of success. Maybe someone more proficient than me can pull up the replay of the Carousel where she butchered her own chances and cruelled a few others. The Newcastle Mile where she tightened up Beautide has been mentioned. The ID where she ended the career of I'm Victorious. Miracle Mile where she tried to unseat a driver and possibly lame her own horse. There are many more cases that could be added to the list, but that is enough for now. I have told my own daughter that if she ever drives like her, she won't be driving ours anymore and we don't have horses that are 1/10th the quality this girl gets to sit behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldParker
I can't believe everybody is coming down on Lauren, she saw an opportunity at the start to cross and "perhaps" get the lead, she was ahead od Avonnova at the time, and Avonnova's driver decided to kick up in the middle for some strange reason............he could have had behind the leader or 1-1, if SL raced outside, or outside the lead if SSL got the lead............where else would Avonnova want to be???...........as soon as the driver of Avonnova saw that SSL was not crossing he grabbed hold just as Lauren saw the opportunity to get behind the lead and went for it............honestly, it was a great drive by Lauren.......given the circumstances that unfolded!............I wrote in the MM thread that Avonnova tactics should have been heading for behind the leader at all costs anyway...........IMO Avonnova was driven poorly.......after being outsped at the start decided it was time for "kamikaze" tactics to kick up, for what purpose??...........and in doing so, not giving itself every chance at getting a bigger share of the prizemoney!! Avonnova's team were clearly aware they were not getting the lead from EOTE if it held the lead, they did not even come out within half a length of it!Quote:
Originally Posted by brent_L
They did not take into account the bigger picture..............Christen Me, Beautide and Guaranteed lurking behind him?
Haven't watched a replay of the race but from memory I don't think behind EOTE was ever going to be the ideal spot in the race, he didn't look like he was ever going to be the horse to take anyone into the race, slowest mile rate in the race. Yes Avonnova went too hard at start but you could ask why didn't EOTE want the sit on Avonnova?
That isn't even being considered by me, they may have been questionable tactics, but that is what they wanted to do, so all OK. It is about 400 from home, when she allowed SSL to shift up the track and contact the wheel of Avonova. That is where the suspension came from and is the incident that I refer to as just plain silly driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
Agree, that was bad, very tight for room at the time..........I think she thought Avonnova was going 3W at the time, but there is no excuse, she needed to wait just a bit longer to see! I hope SSL is OK!Quote:
Originally Posted by strong persuader
I couldn't care less how many races she wins. The facts are at times she is reckless and a danger to other horses and drivers. I can't remember ever seeing 2 more dangerous and reckless things ever in harness racing, than what she did to lettucerockthem and im victorious. And she still can't get it, you don't push out by putting your wheel under another horse guts or by taking their front legs, or if people don't hand up the front to you, you tighten them up for room or drive into the back of them after the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldParker
I'm sure your just fishing for nibbles, but just so its clear driver got time for causing interference entering the straight the last time nothing to do with leaving the mobile.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldParker
jack gets it. bob doesnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackthepunter
Spot on Jack, right down to the last 10 words of your post!Quote:
Originally Posted by jackthepunter
I wonder if Lauren reads this forum?
in fact i wonder if as Shane Read said that "Jack gets it, Bob doesnt", i wonder if after this, another similar extremely dangerous incident, if Lauren gets it?
Cos if you did, if you really did, and you really cared about animals, after especially the I'm Victorious scenario, you just wouldnt do it again, yet she could very well have severely injured her own horse SSL!!!
Does she have an mentor?
Do any young drivers these days have mentors?
Maybe this could be an answer to all young drivers, a selection of long standing drivers/trainers/industry people who are highly respected but in their twilight years, who could have a quiet word in the ears of those who may need someone else to say to them that their behaviour just isnt right. So they dont just get rules and regs thrown at them in the Stewards room, but again a quiet word to say "listen thats just not right what you have done there, you have done it multiple times now and you really need to correct that behaviour"
Whats everybodys thoughts?
I believe it comes down to ones moral and ethical compass Ash. If she hasn't learnt from the I'm Victorious incident, and the others mentioned, then something is very wrong. Her punishments have been light IMO, so the deterrence in a legal tense is definitely not there. These are merely my opinions, & I hope I don't get banned, as I'm on my final warning...
You're safe with us Ev - we will tell you when you are being naughty
I have been screaming this from the roof top for the last 12 months. The ego is bigger than the ability. The Newcastle Herald story about I have to look after myself shows through in the way she drives all day everyday.
Lauren obviously believes she's a better driver now.. Maybe she drove Stuey like she did is, because he's claustrophobic... Maybe she just wanted to try win no matter what, even though she knew she had no chance.. She needs to cool down before she does another IV situation or worse. That's it from me regarding Lauren. I wish her the best, & hope she realises what she has been doing.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/27...-miracle-mile/
Your comments are spot on!........mentoring is part of every day life in all walks of life these days..........no different here......most harness people are "bred" into the game, and there learnings and knowledge come from those families! Lauren would have enough people around her to assist with the mentoring!.........she has a "few skeletons" in the closet now.........so she really does need to re-assess her ability to firstly drive safely, and also to become a little bit more innovative when things don't go her way! She is obviously headstrong on winning and being highly competitive, but needs to look at not overdoing this competitiveness.........sometimes it is a very fine balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maorisidol
I liken her to a young LLeyton Hewitt, who was arrogant and highly competitive...........most of the public did not like him to start with!.........he has matured to the point where he is a great commentator and more humble person.... looks like a good father..........his injuries have also mellowed his invincibleness....and he is more accepted totally by the masses.
Lauren does not want to lose her competitive nature, but does urgently need to re-assess this, as she is running out of time with the public, other trainers and drivers, and the stewards! She is having a holiday at present, and will have a chance to think this through, and take it on board, I expect her to come back bigger and better for the future!