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It is like they have been strangled by a python!
Just noticed Amy Day lists her address as Ardmona! Unless she is living in a fruit tin, she has moved to VICTORIA!
Is their any way to see what those amounts are?Quote:
Originally Posted by mightymo
I assumed DENNIS Day who won the 2nd at Shep last night was from NSW as there is a Goulburn Weir in Vic but no place Goulburn as such [which was listed as his location]Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
(I was also influenced by the fact that the horse's previous starts had been at Canberra)
ps If he lives with Amy - maybe he just doesn't know the area yet ;). (Goulburn Weir is 50k from Ardmona)
The various state bodies receive this information, but dont think it is published anywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by jackthepunter
The race would be a loss for sure, if they received 5% of turnover, (which they wouldn't get) they would need turnover of $15,000,000 on the MM to break square!
Of course it is about turning a profit on a season and you do not have to break square on a single race if its significance can be justified eg being the pinnacle around which a structure is built - the carrot for all to strive for.
Nevertheless in the interest of good governance it has be revealed what it is costing and analysis done as to how it could be improved for on face value something seems to have gone wrong
Harness racing is living beyond it's means, unless they are receiving big returns from all the betting agencies! They are spending their children's inheritance money!
And apparently some agencies don't even pay 1 brass razoo in commission, This is totally ridiculous and it's just another issue that needs to be addressed urgently. IMHO pay a commission or POQ and don't use our product.
It's almost time for a Royal Commission in Racing and Betting??.......to get things right!
Wasn't there a court case a few years ago something to do with these betting agencies paying a percentage?
Yes there was, but times have changed, and what has been the result of this, especially for Harness Racing........some punters on harness racing are saying their accounts are being cancelled by these betting agencies! It's time for a review, minimum rules put in place and a review of fees etc, should be on the cards!
The SKY Channel coverage on harness racing is hopeless!...........there are more & more meetings in all codes, they cannot cope and give "proper" coverage to all codes! As harness racing keeps getting shoved to the bottom of the queue by SKY, and the poor coverage it will just have the effect of turning off punters to bet on harness racing, if they are getting chucked to SKY 2 all the time!
Last Saturdays gallops meetings for instance.....nearly all the gallops races were running late starting, and the SKY director on the day, just chucked the race to SKY 2, until a race began on it's allocated time and it then stayed on SKY 1. Harness racing has a habit of not starting on time, and this puts it in the bottom feeder queue for coverage!
Have you watched SKY on the internet? You can have access if you are a member or have a TAB account.......e.g. if you are in NSW, you sometimes can't watch gallops race in VIC, and visa versa.........also 3 minutes before a designated gallops race in the other state, the vision showing goes blank while they give an update on the gallops race coming up! So if you are watching a current race, your vision stops! I think it is time that this cross state demarcation dispute ends, and that the best coverage for punters is the paramount concern!
There is a new racing minister in NSW, we need something done! The gallops got $10 mill to continue "The Championships" next year, Rosehill racecourse just got $20 mill to upgrade facilities!............where does it end?
It was my belief you could only access live stream if you were a punter of a certain leve, higher than bronze i think or you paid a yearly charge correct me if its changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
TAB members can view every trot race on a 25 second delay on their app (not sure if it is also available on the full site). No turnover limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by kung fu man
Sure was. 2% on turnover. I'm not too sure what Rich was referring to in post #49 however??Quote:
Originally Posted by Race For Fun
OK, I have a platinum membership of something like that, and did not know everybody could not access the coverage........that is stupid, give it to everybody and you will get more people betting, especially in remote areas or those that do not have SKY Channel!
Don't hold your breath. The monies lost to the industry through account limitations/closures is way down the list.....well behind making sure the corporates are cosy & happy in their 250k tax haven. The minimum bet rule hasn't really worked in the gallops and has Buckley's chance at the trots!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
[QUOTE=brent_L;38849]Sure was. 2% on turnover. I'm not too sure what Rich was referring to in post #49 however??
G'day Brent, Might have been wrong with that comment but I thought that I heard or read that some corporates trading out of the Nothern Territory were getting away with paying nothing, I really hope that I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=Richard prior;38853]Pretty sure it's 2% on turnover for race field privileges but the scary fact is they only pay 10 per cent gross margin tax capped at 250k if they're licensed in the NT. Saves them millions!Quote:
Originally Posted by brent_L
[QUOTE=brent_L;38855]That needs to be addressed!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard prior
Full site = desk top = YESQuote:
Originally Posted by brent_L
TAB account of any kind will do and no chargeQuote:
Originally Posted by kung fu man
3 new trainers added to my VIC winners database tonight after EchucaQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
All from NSW - toll booths are on order :eek:
Only 6 races at Wagga tonight but almost as many starters as there in the 8 races at Menangle
In the last month or so 3 long standing races in NSW have had major cuts in prizemoney which IMHO help to explain why some trainers have moved their horses inter state;
1. Truer $100,000 to $30,000
2. Newcastle Cup $35,000 to $8,000 race did not get enough nominations to run.
3. Inter City Pace $50,000 to $35,000
I think NSW needs fairer distribution of prizemoney across the state.
Not to mention generally no racing on Mondays, so there must be a saving.
I heard John Dumesny on Sky Sports Radio talking up the number of nominations for ID15.
JD, as I have said in previous post please, please don't kid yourself.
At least 30% of the noms are a disgrace and another 20-30% are on the borderline.
Lets make the initial nom $500 and 50% would be gone.
Glad to see some R racing returning last week maybe HRNSW are realising the folly of their way.
It would appear to me that every club apart from the NSWHRC is in financial trouble, thus the cut to stakes. HRNSW is putting its money into infrastructure in strategic locations, ie Wagga, Tamworth & Bathurst. That's the end of the penny section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Race For Fun
and they'll do the arse Stu. Lightning struck once (Harold Park), the acquisition of which, of course, had nothing to do with the clowns who first ran it into the ground to then sell it. They want their own legacy i.e Wagga, Tamworth & Bathurst.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister JayKO
Wannabe Real Estate tycoons risking the future of the industry hoping for lightning to strike for a second, third and fourth time and beyond. This is sure to end well.
Sky does us no favours not that we do ourselves any - Gp 3 Les Chant Cup at Menangle quickly relegated to Sky 2 when running late (maybe fair enough in hindsight as it went 10min late in the end and clashed with Albion Park!)
It is great to see the constructive thoughts going into our handicapping system from everyone. Each one of us has a firm view of what worked in the past and why it is failing us today. What is needed by all of us is to acknowledge we need to embrace change for the overall betterment of our great sport. What HRNSW has endeavoured to achieve with a new handicapping system is to find a way of reducing short priced fav coupled with horses racing like for like, in other words horses finding there own level to be competitive at. From what I have picked up HRNSW have some very impressive results that if correct only strengthens there reasons for undertaking such a challenge. From my point of view HRNSW have had some significant changes along the way that has allowed a better system. I don't like the idea of handing over a horse to a group to place it as they see fit. What I see as being the way forward is system that rates your horse based on set criteria that we can all follow and understand. This then allows Trainer / Driver & Owner all working towards a given plan for the betterment of all, including your Horse. We must develop a system that becomes a National System that also takes in NZ. As our sport needs to have one and all involved and rated under the same system.
We all need to see what HRNSW put out over the next 4 -6 weeks and then constructively pull it all apart so as to understand exactly what has taken place and how it all works for the overall betterment of our sport and not just how it affects my stable or myself.
Let us all keep working at it and see what we end up with.
Let me say firstly that I love the World Drivers Championships to date. The racing certainly has been much different to our everyday driving styles.
But in terms of the state of NSW racing, 3 penalty free heats were scheduled for today and HRNSW could not even get a meeting together.
If this does not make people realise the state of harness racing in NSW I do not think anything will.
Or maybe the administrators should have scheduled Tamworth for Monday to try and get the horses from a different pool and give the people of the North West some penalty free prizemoney. It staggers me to HRNSWs incompetence.
Good effort Wagga to get 7 heats together.
Maybe less money should be distributed Sydney centric and more money Riverina huh.
(Is it) Good to see Hillier's doing their bit for harness racing/driver's championship/Wagga/penalty free....S Hillier that is.
Shame it could not be shared around.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by arlington
Have to say reading the evidence I find this hearing laughable. Parking aside all of your preconceived thoughts and prejudice I could not image any court in the free world finding a decision like the Hillier case. Imagine being convicted on such a circumstantial case for murder,PLEASE!!
Perhaps the mushroom mentality is in place in NSW harness racing
Looking at todays fields at Menangle, in particular the C5 or better races, it appears having a field of 8 is more important than grading.
Why have a spread of C5 to C12 in race 6 and then C5 to C34 in race 9.
They could have had a C5 to C7 but only 7 starters, then C8 or better.
It is obvious these spreads are not in the participants best interest but in TAB turnover.
Want to break a C5 or C6 heart....this is the best way
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Originally Posted by Pena
Should I repost/edit Pena? Parking aside supposed preconceived thoughts and prejudices, Hilliers aren't the only pebbles on the beach in Australian harness racing in not acting outside of the rules in swapping the training over to a spouse/partner. When is a penalty a penalty...probabilities versus possibilities aside.
Wayne I don't disagree that this practice should not be allowed to happen. However, I ask you a question. I believe that during The Voice of Reasons (Michael Beattie) reign there was at least some transparency with regards Stewards Enquiries etc. I have tried to locate a number of the facts from recent Stewards Enquiries (Particularly cobalt related) and to be honest there used to be detailed records of the enquiries, up until a couple of years ago but now all we receive is a 5 paragraph media statement from HRNSW (with the exception of the Hillier Justification)
It is a joke!!!
I never thought I would say this but bring back the Voice.(Stop bagging you former colleagues in SA)
Ok Jack, you're asking me my opinion on transparency now versus M Beattie's time? I don't have a hassle with transparency in that a lot of what transpired during the McDowell/Day cases would have been replicated in other cobalt cases. Pretty open there. Similarly with the Green Light scandal.
Whether it's apt to use the word pedantic, I'm not sure.
I'm sure that I will regret this but here goes. Who was the head steward when the green light affair was in full swing?
IMHO the fact that there are a large number of "positives" for different substances speaks volumes for the work being done by the current stewards. I surpose full transcripts would be a nice to have but I'm satisfied with the fact that the cheats are being caught.