39 charges have been made against n.j. resulting from investigations going back to early 2015.
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39 charges have been made against n.j. resulting from investigations going back to early 2015.
It is alleged that from 7 January 2015 until 23 October 2015 Mr Jack did associate with NSW disqualified person Jackson Painting for the purposes of harness racing, including allegations of communication about the chances of competing horses, race tactics, ownership decisions regarding horses and the purchase of veterinary substances
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...charges-issued
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=31399
What do people think of this?
I cannot accept two suspended sentences, guilty once you may get some leniency but with the second totally separate matter you have used up your warnings. On that second charge it is TOTALLY unacceptable to go lenient on guilt over charges relating to officialdom in this case being:Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
"inappropriate comments towards starter Graeme Morgan after the horse was a late scratching and in relation to behaving in an improper and intimidatory manner at the Stewards Inquiry that evening."
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=31399
I am assuming the race fixing inquiry is a separate matter and is still being investigated?
Does anybody know if this is so?
may set a precedence........light sentences for all.
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=31778
Penalties handed out to all who attended this enquiry except a couple of people. Possibly assisting with the enquiry?
Jack and Turnbulls association with Painting seen them penalised by HRV already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
and got off with suspended sentencesQuote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
see Post 43 above
Kevin, I miss a few things too but lucky we have other observant members like Cody and Patricia to take up the slack. Nothing like having a good support cast.
To the matter at hand-I love it when the stewards of any state are doing their best to catch people breaking the rules that we are all supposed to abide by. I love it even more when they actually find someone guilty and suspend them. I personally think the penalties should be increased so that trainers/drivers etc will never think of doing it again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Every now and then I get underestimated Brenno, we will see.............
It is strange that that the report states:
"Mr Jackson Painting, Mr Nathan Jack, Ms Amanda Turnbull, Ms Ellen Bartley and Mrs Janet Painting all appeared at the Inquiry"
and then makes no mention of 2 of the parties
Danno,Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
I wouldn't have the faintest if they are assisting or not with inquiry but it would be a bit of a double jeopardy situation to get penalised by HRNSW as well.
This continued investigation of the SIIU culminated in Victoria Police today advising HRV that criminal charges have been issued against licensed participants in connection with the race conducted at Cobram.
With respect to the actions taken by Victoria Police today in the issuing of criminal charges against licensed participants, the HRV Stewards will now give consideration as to whether to invoke any of the provisions of Australian Harness Racing Rule (AHRR) 183 which provides:
Pending the outcome of an inquiry, investigation or objection, or where a person has been charged with an offence, the Stewards may direct one or more of the following –
that a horse shall not be nominated for or compete in a race;
that a driver shall not drive or otherwise take part in a race;
that the horses of certain connections shall not be nominated for or start in a race;
that a licence or any type of authority or permission be suspended
In accordance with established legal principles announced in precedent cases (such as NSW Court of Appeal matter of Day & McDowell v HRNSW) regarding the use of AHRR 183, the HRV Stewards have provided licensed participants Mr Nathan Jack, Ms Lisa Bartley, Mr Mark Pitt and Ms Amanda Turnbull until 5.00pm on Thursday, January 19, to make any submissions to the HRV Stewards as to whether any provisions of AHRR 183, such as the suspension of licences, are applied in the circumstances. The HRV Stewards acknowledge any such actions are serious measures and thus all available information needs to be considered.
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...ion-to-arrests
Whoever runs the Cobram Harness Racing Club facebook page has got to be kidding themselves. Post after post about Barley and Turnbull, including two yesterday.
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...-Investigation
"HRV advises that in response to requests from some of the legal representatives of the relevant individuals, the HRV Stewards have granted an extension of time to Mr Nathan Jack, Ms Amanda Turnbull, Ms Lisa Bartley and Mr Mark Pitt ..."
This would seem to be going the same way as the last attempt to suspend them before any trial/hearing - it is most unlikely to happen
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...-Investigation
Latest update - they are reviewing the accused's submissions
Just a question in peoples opinions ......how similar is this to the cramps case???
Anyone can answer.
This was the Cramp's caseQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=27972
I don't think they appealed the interim suspension
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=32256
"In accordance with Australian Harness Racing Rule (AHRR) 183, the HRV Stewards have today suspended the licences of Mr Nathan Jack, Ms Lisa Bartley, Mr Mark Pitt and Ms Amanda Turnbull with immediate effect.
In making this decision, the HRV stewards have considered all relevant information including the submissions provided on behalf of the participants as to why no action should be taken against the participants or their licences in the circumstances."
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=32263
2 more named
"As a result of the Harness Racing Victoria (HRV) Integrity Department investigation into Airbournemagic winning at Cobram on 22 June, 2015, HRV Stewards today invoked Australian Harness Racing Rule (AHRR) 183, ordering that neither Mr Brocq Robertson or Mr David Bartley conduct licensed activities or race any horses until the investigation is finalised."
Note: Apologies to Trish for deleting this post earlier (I thought it was the same link as teecee's)
Guilty before any investigation has been concluded? Have a horse return a positive and still allowed to participate until the conclusion of a hearing. I really hope some of the parties involved are found innocent so they can sue for defamation.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I cannot agree Greg and 'the industry' certainly cannot afford to be sued. I don't think that is how legal systems work eg If you are remanded in custody but later found to be innocent, I don't think you can sue. (but maybe you can and it simply never makes the news)Quote:
Originally Posted by Diablo
Our industry is harmed by cheats, if the authorities err on the side of heavy-handedness, it is OK by me.
In relation to the latest two, a poster has pointed out to me that Brocq Robertson was also involved in the Cramp race fixing investigation too but of course he could be unlucky enough to keep popping up in the wrong place at the wrong time
http://www.harness.org.au/news/uploa...a%20Report.pdf
183. Pending the outcome of an inquiry, investigation or objection, or where a person has been charged with an offence, the Stewards may direct one or more of the following -Quote:
Originally Posted by Diablo
(a) that a horse shall not be nominated for or compete in a race;
(b) that a driver shall not drive or otherwise take part in a race;
(c) that the horses of certain connections shall not be nominated for or start in a race;
(d) that a licence or any other type of authority or permission be suspended.
They aren't guilty - they are being stood down pending the outcome of the investigation (in which innocence or guilt will then be decided).
Provison 183A also covers the horse racing with a positive swab.
Now we get the chance to see about consistency.
When the first 4 were stood down they appealed the stand down and were successful.
http://www.harness.org.au/news/uploa...%201409161.pdf (the last paragraph is very clear).
This latest two stood down have not been charged and we have the stewards ignoring the previous decision and standing them down. But they were quick to quote previous decisions (Day & McDowell (can't find this PDF)) when standing the four down after they were charged. Seems like the stewards are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
This whole saga seems now to just be going around in circles.
As this issue is now before the criminal courts system (sub judice) it is not appropriate to discuss here how the courts or police deal with this matter. Any comments here in regard to what may or may not be part of the court process, unsupported by official media releases, will be deleted.
Comments about how the Harness racing industry does or should handle this issue remain welcome so please comment on this issue with care.
Thank you
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...eard-next-week
Being the appeals to to suspend their licenses with immediate effect
As expected the immediate effect suspensions have been successfully appealed
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...iplinary-Board
As much as some might like them to stick, in this day and age I am not sure that rule 183(b) and 183(d) are worth having on the books
How do the NRL get away with not registering Ben Barba?
The NRL gave it to me - he must be a rugby player. Good luck explaining to TC the relevance to this thread :rolleyes:
Nice post...
This was released on Mar.24
These criminal charges have been adjourned to Shepparton Magistrates Court for a contested mention hearing on 11 April, 2017.
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=33009
These cases are today
H10132975Victoria Police - Jasinowicz, A (36509)Jack, NathanCiu-SheppartonH10132942Victoria Police - Jasinowicz, A (36509)Pitt, Mark RyanCiu-SheppartonH10132909Victoria Police - Jasinowicz, A (36509)Bartley, Lisa CarolCiu-SheppartonH10132873Victoria Police - Jasinowicz, A (36509)Turnbull, AmandaCiu-Shepparton.
so what does it mean,"no plea taken" and plea " adjourned".are these just more delaying tactics?......
I did see n jack is down to drive at cranbourne tonight.
"This matter has also been booked in for a contested hearing commencing 27 November, 2017."Quote:
Originally Posted by allanjg
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...-Investigation
As anybody would, they are obviously taking the time they require to prepare their case. We all know that court proceedings are never quick
I read this in some report a while ago............... It is reasonable to presume that the matters will not resolve at least until late in 2018 and possibly even well into 2019.
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...ed-faced-court
Cant see them getting 10 years for that.
The contested hearing starts on Monday morning at Shepparton Magistrates Court.
"A contested hearing is a formal court hearing, held when the parties do not agree on one or more issues. A judge or magistrate hears all the evidence from both sides, including witnesses who can be cross examined. The judge or magistrate will listen to the applicant first, followed by the respondent, and then makes a decision. Court rules of evidence and procedure will be followed."
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...ng-fix-alleged
If their defence is purely 'procedural' then IMO they will wear the stain of impropriety whether they are found guilty or innocent
Lawyers for the accused are set to object to a number of pieces of evidence, including the downloading of phone data seized, certain answers given to racing stewards and subsequent material Victoria Police obtained during a search warrant
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...ng-fix-alleged