Kavanagh (snr) and O'Brien found GUILTY
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horse...23-gltz24.html
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Kavanagh (snr) and O'Brien found GUILTY
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horse...23-gltz24.html
Mary jane Mifsud has been given 7 years for cobalt use in horse at Albury 2nd offence
What are the excuses for this penalty? Are the stewards wrong?, faulty equipment, my mate accidently fed them the wrong supplement or a host of other reasons. There are no excuses for this type of behavior by anyone connected with the racing industry. The industry must be cleaned out even if it costs jobs or livelihoods otherwise they will continue to cheat and be supported with excuses by people in forums such as these.
But you would appreciate that the excusers are outnumbered by others, IMO somewhere between 20 and 100 to 1
Kevin,
All I can say is in my opinion is every case should be accessed on it merits. Despite the former regimes shortcoming particularly with the disgraceful "green light" scandal at least you could read the transcripts of the case and form your own opinion. I was most definitely in the everyone that wins too many are doing something dishonest but both the facts I have researched and things I have seen have changed my opinion on the Cobalt issue. Your comments show plenty of people think "ignorance is Bliss".
Oh well Adam, call me lazy or spread a bit thin but with everything that requires ones attention nowadays I am not inclined to spend much time questioning stewards (in ignorant bliss no doubt) disqualifying trainers with cobalt positives as normally I think they are fairly lenient and tending to err on the side of caution, anyway I am sure if they get it wrong there is always the appeals process
Did you think Pat's post was referring to you?
LmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Think that should read LYFAO to make sense? :) :) :)
You can LMFAO as much as you want Richard.[/QUOTE]
Lately you have had only one issue/posting topic Adam - cobalt. I don't really think my 20/1 comment is your major issue and you definitely don't want to make me your issue
I have no vested interest in the cobalt issue, for that matter I do not really have a vested interest in harness racing, it is just one of my many hobbies - which includes reading and when it comes to subject matter I will read whatever I feel like. I hope you do to.
I will also post whatever I like on this forum provided it is within the rules. I am a poster first and foremost - I am a moderator by default (we are recruiting ;))
Unfortunately unlike many forums, we do not have polls on Harnesslink or else we could test whether there are 20 others to every Cobalt excuser. I have edited my posted 760 for you.
I fear our forum is no longer bringing you satisfaction - that really is the only reason a person should belong to a forum, so I hope that changes for you
Having not being on here for a while there seems to be trainers still using cobalt.......it confuses me why they continue to use when they are being warned day after day about all the products that are illegal ..............i assume they already knew that. But they continue to flaunt the system and they should be rubbed out. The general enthusiast (punter) who dont understand the racing style of many horses are guided by form and betting only. To myself who watches many races and to some degree understand the way various stables conduct there racing I find currently that the use of chemical help has diminished with the racing evening out and the better horse winning. The draw and gate speed now being other factors that govern races even for the bettor horses. I am sure some statistics would make for good reading when assessing whether any stable who were winning many races and now are struggling to keep there records of recent years. However it would be difficult as the racing life of the majority of horses is under 100 starts, approx 2% have move than a 100 starts out of sample of 4500. that equates to 4 to 5 years of racing. I hope the chemists leave the industry and then we will see the real trainers excell.
https://www.racing.com/news/2016-01-...istered-cobalt
This might prove an interesting one, as it dates back to just a couple of months ago you would have to shake your head and agree with Terry O'Sullivan's comment
“You’d have to be absolutely stupid to use it.”
teecee: let Boydy come back so that he can see how open-minded I can be
The second sample was miles over 1300 from memory, something is up but have been told a lot of trainers use b12 injections for horses and this can cause a increase in cobalt. My original opinion in ths case he was a bushie and wouldn't be using the supps of the big time trainers but who knows have to compete i suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...23-gltz24.html
Mark and Danny to appeal ban?
The above SMH mostly concentrates on O'Briens views
The following Age link details the verdicts
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horse...19-gm9lbm.html
"In relation to each of the horses trained by him, Danny O'Brien is disqualified for a period of three years, an aggregate of 12 years. Four months of the penalties imposed in relation to Bondeiger, De Little Engine and Bullpit are to be served cumulatively upon the penalty imposed in relation to Caravan Rolls On [three years] and upon each other. A total of four years disqualification."
Kavanagh received three years on one charge, that of presenting his horse Magicool.
The lead NEWS story on Melbourne ABC news
Thank goodness this seems to have come to a conclusion.
Bottom line...race day medication, with the added issue of Cobalt in the horses urine.
Out !
It is going to play out for most of the year I imagine - with Moody yet to be found guilty and so his appeal will be even later than today's two
4 harness trainers in Qld to fce stewards next month with one gallop trainer .This has been a long time coming.Source the gold coast bulletin.
It is all over Harnesslink news too Brian
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...nue-next-month
This could prove an unfortunate loophole TC
I really do not understand this comment Kevin. Surely you would want someone you used a product in good faith to be protected from someone else's mistake?
What I meant Jack, is that everyone with a cobalt positive is likely to claim they have used it
Being buisness people, anyone who used this product would have some sort of receipt or invoice showing purchase of said product.
True Dean, I am worrying about nothing
Just catching up with the supplements from the weekend paper and found this comprehensive feature story about Terry Bailey and the cobalt issue
http://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/t...01-gmiqmw.html
Moody. Not Guilty of cheating
He trains horse(s) for David Moodie?? Chairman of Racing Victoria?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Mac
I have not read it all but knew his case was going to be quite different from O'Brien and Kavanagh in that there was no vet implicated especially none that were shared with a son who had already pleaded guilty
If he doesn't get at least 6 months the whole thing is a joke!
Then where does the hope family fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
No shonky vet there. Just not as high profile. But they seem to have copped it.
I am definitely not saying I agree with the verdict Dean, simply that it was going to be harder to prove because of the line the defence was taking
https://www.punters.com.au/news/Pete...ign=newsletterQuote:
Originally Posted by gutwagon
Just the 6 mths really - he will take winter off and be back in Spring (amazing how it works for him! )
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...21-gnn4dh.html
Patrick Bartley is certainly baffled by the Moody decision.
The crux of the article:
"This science provided the stewards and their lawyers with a simple premise: one cannot exceed the raceday threshold through normal practices.
This also meant that the only explanation for such administration was the belief or intent that performance was affected.
Judge Lewis accepted the science of cobalt as proposed by the stewards and all individuals (the Hopes, O'Brien, Kavanagh and Brennan) were found guilty of administering a prohibitive substance, cobalt, to affect performance in a race.
Last Wednesday, Judge Bowman said the board was sceptical of Moody's explanation that cobalt, in the form of the feed additive Avalia, had caused Lidari's elevated reading of 410mcg/L.
But the board was not satisfied that Moody administered or caused to be administered cobalt for the purpose of affecting performance. As a result, Moody was cleared of the serious doping charge.
The board did not draw any inferences as to why Moody administered cobalt.
The Bowman board seemed to accept that sloppy stable feeding practices or some stable error had caused Lidari's reading, but surely sloppy practices do not explain one isolated positive in a 100-horse stable. So if it wasn't the feed, how did the cobalt get into Lidari?"
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...#ixzz43aDvwutz
Does Patrick Bartley actually like horse racing?? I know he was barred from the Caulfield media room and to be honest I find it difficult to take anything he writes seriously as I cannot help but think of my father saying the word, Nark when ever I read his stories.
In recent time Chris Waller was given a fine for Lasiyx in the Metropolitan and only received a fine. Mistakes happen and surely if Peter Moody has a stable of 100 horses and only one has an elevated reading surely there is a reasonable chance of a mistake happening. Its fantastic to think that a trainer has ultimate responsibility but if racing wants big stables then the trainer cannot do everything and must depend on and trust others. Mistakes happen, just like people have car accidents.
Every case should be accessed on its merits and people like Kavanagh and O'Brien in the gallops and Rhys Nicholson in harness deserve everything they get and more in my opinion. However I am yet to be convinced that the whole cobalt issue is as simply as some of the people in authority think.
You sound like you want to shoot the messenger Jack. A nark is an 'informer' and that is exactly want I want from my journalists. I want to know what actually goes on because I am first and foremost a horse lover (maybe Patrick is too)
We should not ignore the fact that Lidari had a reading of 400 when our generous limit is 200, while Hong Kong's is 100 and the average horse tests at 5
It would seem that it could/did happen.
The only things I find confusing about the article is that you would think that if it was a bad batch - that many horses would have been affected. Maybe it is a product that is rarely used by racing trainers and yet it is 'a commonly used feed additive'
The fact that is a commonly used feed additive makes it surprising that it has been discontinued.
http://www.riu.org.nz/announcements/...squalification
Yes Kevin, Facts are Facts frightening isn't it when perceptions are challenged. But a man's livelihood and reputation was called into dispute. I am glad scientific evidence cleared the trainer in question. No need for you to be confused.
I will never assume anything is 100% fact just because it has been reported or gone through a judicial system mjQuote:
Originally Posted by Tangles
Of course this man's reputation was on the line whether it was his doing, bad luck etc as he is in a position of responsibility and the positive was a fact
I'm afraid I am a meticulous, questioning type and am still confused/surprised as you did not answer my questions about why the batch did not result in other positives and why an apparently respected manufacturer would stop producing a commonly used product - maybe they cannot guarantee quality