Had had a prior pos swab, as well as having her then disqualified boyfriend helping her work the horses. Should be out for life now if found guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
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Had had a prior pos swab, as well as having her then disqualified boyfriend helping her work the horses. Should be out for life now if found guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
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Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Thanks for the history Breno, priors...stood down....three strikes.
A bit off topic, I don't really know all the whys and why nots some thoroughbred states resisted dual, jockey/trainer licences and maybe P V'landys having previously been in the harness racing industry could come into it in NSW but, what impression does a trainer/driver give off if suspended as a trainer? I realise we've always had the opportunity to be dual licensed but is there more public/punter scrutiny, perception when they drive? I guess it's the same when a trainer/driver hands the training over to their partner...I suppose there's the notion of "arm's length" there.
It will be interesting - everyone in Vic that appeals such a suspension has it reversedQuote:
Originally Posted by arlington
And to you Mr Hayes ....
oh my golly goshh...how bad is that...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An absolute shocker!!!!!
Is that what happens to jockeys when they get a whiff of cobalt from the horse's breath?? Blown away.
I wonder how this is going - 2016 Paul Bittar Review Recommendation:-Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
2. The restructuring of the appeals and disciplinary system to remove the appeal to the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) of decisions by RADB and to establish a single crosscode Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board (RADB).
Kevvv I heard the jockey was singing when Irish eyes are smiling.... :eek:
VCAT
Flemington trainers Danny O'Brien and Mark Kavanagh have on Friday morning successfully appealed their lengthy disqualifications over cobalt positives.
The pair are free to resume their training careers after Justice Greg Garde dismissed the charges against the trainers at the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal.
In upholding the appeal, VCAT found:
- That it was satisfied that Dr Tom Brennan, the veterinarian of both of the trainers, administered or directed the administration to each horse of a substance in a bottle labelled ‘vitamin complex’ in pre‐race drips. The substance contained a high concentration of cobalt chloride.
- That it was not satisfied to the requisite standard that either Kavanagh or O’Brien caused Dr Brennan to administer the substance in the vitamin complex bottle, or that they were aware that it was being administered to their horses.
- That is was not satisfied to the requisite standard that either trainer was informed by Dr Brennan or suspected that he intended to administer an unproven and untested substance to their horses.
- That is was not satisfied that Kavanagh or O’Brien failed to make sufficient enquiries of Dr Brennan as to the substances that were to be administered to their respective horses, or were negligent in relying on veterinarians to administer pre‐race drips to their horses.
- That the test results were inadmissible evidence against the trainers, given that the cobalt testing procedures between April 2014 and August 2015 "substantially departed" from the requirements set out in AR 178D of the Rules of Racing.
woosh goes the broom...............under the carpet............just dont get caught
Surely 'they' were satisfied that these trainers were paying Dr Brennan HUGE bucks for vitamins. Racing is a joke - they need 24hr video surveillance of all horses
A quick flick through the decision...I'll take RV into RV.
Anyone want a bit of the litigation funding action for the KOB?
Fantastic to see the Cobalt myth and all its advocates slowly starting to fall.
https://www.g1x.com.au/news/racing/b...efamation-case
I really cannot stand the biased opinions of Patrick Bartley.
https://www.g1x.com.au/news/racing/t...he-cobalt-case
I cannot help but wonder, that considering the outcome of Kavanagh/O'Brien case and that the large majority of Cobalt convictions were prior to an approved test method that sometime in the near future HRNSW and HRSA are likely to face a significant compensation law suit some time in the future. I think that HRNSW or their representatives have forgotten that in enforcing the rules, everyone should expect that there should be fairness in creating, implementing and enforcing the rules. By not using an approved testing method surely they have failed to fulfill this obligation. It does irritate me that some participants have done knowingly tried to cheat and now they have an avenue to possibly get compensation but by not completing the testing in an approved manner, surely HRNSWs actions are no better than the cheats.
Also what ever happened to the Argon Gas conspiracy. This was the next big thing after Cobalt but it seems to have died a silent death?
No test for Xenon or Argon gas so what can you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pena
Global warming would have to be a myth too JackQuote:
Originally Posted by Pena
This VCAT decision should not affect other cobalt cases. If you read the whole verdict the judge was satisfied that labs didn't need to be accredited to test for cobalt. The rules of racing say they must be tested by 'Official" labs and these labs were official. RV lost because they didn't follow their own rule (AR 178D) . They were supposed to inform the trainers as soon as they had 2 confirmed positive tests. But they didn't, they let the trainers keep racing other horses and got more positive tests. Because they breached their own procedures the judge declared all the tests as inadmissible. It had nothing to do with the labs not being accredited to test for cobalt.
If the harness racing stewards have followed correct procedures then the convictions will stand. Attachment 692
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Originally Posted by Pena
Argon, Xenon...keep listening to and reading the journos other than Patrick Bartley, am sure they'll have a sympathetic view "just getting an edge" and I'll get my stradivarius out again...only one string left after listening to "poor" O'B Moods and Kav
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Originally Posted by arlington
first leg in.Quote:
Originally Posted by arlington
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Originally Posted by arlington
https://rsn.net.au/racing-victoria-s...balt-decision/Quote:
Originally Posted by teecee
Racing Victoria (RV) has today submitted an application seeking leave to appeal to the Court of Appeal of the Supreme Court of Victoria against the decision of the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) on 17 March 2017, which upheld an appeal by licensed trainers Danny O’Brien and Mark Kavanagh.
thank you
http://www.jca.org.nz/non-race-day-h...ir-prof-g-hall
PS...
The Cobalt threshold of 200ug applied in this case has since been reduced to 100ug in NZ
http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Cran...cobalt-charges
Cran gets away with a fine but still angry
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...lison-Chisholm
Alison Chisholm 12mths
how many warnings do these people want........dont they read anything.....apparently not
might need detox centres for the horses soon.................? do they have the same reaction as people when they are not using anymore.
HRV stewards are seeking a VCAT review of this penaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=33783
The Norwegians mean business, unlike the gelded Australian authorities. I dont know the full details but I bet the feeble excuses offered by trainers (and their supporters) who have been caught in Australia would not last 5 seconds with the Norwegians. It would be also be interesting to see how much support that trainer would have got from the general racing public over there. My opinion is that if you support a light suspension or fine for cheating with chemicals then you are as bad as the person who cheated.
ditto...
I know we cant have it both ways but;
The threshold exceedance was not included in that report and that the threshold has been reduced to 100mpl-Hughes gets 4 years. Must have been massively over the threshold.
Ms Chisholm receives 12 months and the threshold at her time of being charged with cheating was double what it is now at 200 mpl
Broken Hill yeah rite. Are they getting the low hanging fruit in a place where the fastest horse would not beat me and they have 10 meetings a year?
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=34072
Ross Graham charged
3yr Disqualification from Training for Mark Billinger
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Billinger
He got 15 monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...th-suspension-
Paul Grech the latest - he also got 15 months
http://www.harness.org.au/news/uploa...20decision.pdf
What would be so bad about 'grass, hay and carrots' LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
Trainers are obligated to check what goes into a horses mouth...dont lets kid ourselves about what goes on. Instead of whinging about having to be scientists, they should lift their level of professionalism. If feed supplied was that bad across the board , wouldnt every trainer in the land be busted for high cobalt levels?
Trainers/industry people also need to come up with solutions to this issue and let the controlling body know about their ideas. The controlling bodies are not blameless either. Their procedures and rules should be watertight re accreditation for testing etc, there are no excuses for that, it is their job. I know trainers who have horses who are continually swabbed and tested and come up clean every time. These hangers on and long time lurkers on facebook and twitter seem intent on stirring the pot as well instead of coming up with something constructive.
What can be done about the suppliers of the feed? They should also be held accountable if information is misleading.
I'm sick of people defending the use of cobalt on social media. I don't believe one innocent trainer has been caught . I believe that some trainers think if the threshold is 100 then they want their horses racing with 90 in their system. So then all it takes is some feed or a supplement with a little extra in it and they're over the limit and they scream that they are innocent ! The normal level for a horse in training on a cobalt free diet is <10. They allow an extra 90 just to be sure . So if your not treating your horse with cobalt you are safe. I can't believe with all the information and warnings out there that any trainer would use a feed mix that has added cobalt.
Then there are the idiots that use 10 different products that contain cobalt but think it's ok to use that product at the recommended dose ! Yes it is but just one product not multiple ones. When all the facts come out they are usually injecting large amounts of it into their horse, it's never an accident. The same people are claiming that cobalt is not performance enhancing ! So why are they using it ?
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