Ch2 ODDS AND ENDS - not big enough for a thread of their own

No cheating for another 24 hours:

30 years ago today Robert Dunn got a race to race double culminating in the Hunter Cup.

Name the Hunter Cup winner and the runner up:

On the same night there were 4x Derby heats. Winsome Eagle took out a heat for David Aiken. Great Celebration took out a heat for Robbie & Russell Jack. Name the 2 other heat winners, one of which won the final the next week.

Can you also name the 2nd horse in the Vic Derby who later got revenge in the NSW Derby with the quinella reversed?

The Hunter Cup quinella and Vic Derby winner then went on to trifecta the Hunter Cup 2 years later.

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

No cheating for another 24 hours:

30 years ago today Robert Dunn got a race to race double culminating in the Hunter Cup.

Name the Hunter Cup winner and the runner up:

On the same night there were 4x Derby heats. Winsome Eagle took out a heat for David Aiken. Great Celebration took out a heat for Robbie & Russell Jack. Name the 2 other heat winners, one of which won the final the next week.

Can you also name the 2nd horse in the Vic Derby who later got revenge in the NSW Derby with the quinella reversed?

The Hunter Cup quinella and Vic Derby winner then went on to trifecta the Hunter Cup 2 years later.

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I can't remember last week these days Brenno but just asked Luke at dinner and he got them right without cheating (not all).

Hunter Cup winner - Master Musician
2nd - Blossom Lady

Got 1 of the Derby Heat winners - Golden Reign who won final.

And them 3 trifecta the Hunter Cup 2 years later.

Luke is a walking encyclopedia of harness racing

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Originally Posted by Toohard

I can't remember last week these days Brenno but just asked Luke at dinner and he got them right without cheating (not all).

Hunter Cup winner - Master Musician
2nd - Blossom Lady

Got 1 of the Derby Heat winners - Golden Reign who won final.

And them 3 trifecta the Hunter Cup 2 years later.

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Great job Luke.

For those playing at home.

2nd horse in the Derby who got revenge in NSW was Young Mister Charles.

Other heat winner (3rd in final) was Chandon.

How an industry as small as Australian harness racing has ended up with two $1million slot races on the same night defies belief.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/the...e-intensifies/

Guerin is talking about the NZ Race and the WA Nullarbor isn't he?

When did NZ become part of Australia?!

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Originally Posted by Messenger

How an industry as small as Australian harness racing has ended up with two $1million slot races on the same night defies belief.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/the...e-intensifies/

Guerin is talking about the NZ Race and the WA Nullarbor isn't he?

When did NZ become part of Australia?!

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WA is also basically a seperate state!

What horses are missing from each race? Would Louis have gone to NZ with the stronger depth there anyway? If races spaced apart would Louis have travelled to both WA and NZ?

Maybe some harness people do take long weekends.
Despite metro stakes we have two 5 horse and one 6 horse race at Melton tonight

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=MX110323

In the last at Yarra Valley today we see Peace Of Art's last ever foal - 4yo Timely Magic make her debut. POA had 369 foals and now 198 starters but he never really made an impact

Flemingon tagline on promo video on Tiktok "Eat, drink, dance, repeat"
Not a single horse shown in the video just happy snaps of those partying.
Its always been the case a day at the races is social but its next level the horses not even being part of the promo.

Good eyes Brendan. May be an interesting tactic. Maybe just having Flemington and when in promo is enough of a reminder for anyone who may go for the horses

There has been a problem with Fields and Results not being available tonight, I am thinking the problem is probably with RISE as you cannot get them for any state, and the rest of HRV and HRA's websites are working

You can get them now on HRA but HRV doesn't even have it's 4 day calendar section where you click for Fields etc on its Homepage - very strange

HRV back to normal - I think they just needed someone to tell them

I may have written about this in the past but who cares as my namesake Lotakevi won again today
He is now an 11yo who has won 11 of 170 starts
What a great interest and despite his strike rate not being stunning if you had put $10 the win on him every start
your $1,700 would now be $2,805. Not a bad little return

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...23#ARC31032301

It is the 2nd heat of the E K Bray at Bendigo tonight and I want some more details. You usually go to the Form Guide for such info
But as you can see below it is lacking detail and instead refers me to the Yarra Valley meet on Mar.31 - how am I supposed to access that on April 4?

Used to be able to go Meeting Calendar > Programme Search and it would still bring up past meetings so you could find info like that out, but appears you can no longer view past meetings through that way.

If going to have a go at somebody mistaking a name https://peterprofit.com/you-got-the-...tra-mr-thomas/ you would think in the next 48 hours you wouldn't get names confused either https://peterprofit.com/nat-is-back-...t-mark-is-too/

Off topic but I love Stawell. If you get a chance to see a replay of today's Stawell Gift. Kieren Mundine who came last was one of the most incredible runs I have ever seen. He stumbled coming out of the blocks and nearly face-planted, but did not give up and was only beaten by < 0.2secs by the winner = 2 metres. I reckon he might have won by at least that without the stumble

What has happened to Captain Confetti?
Put in a shocker in the last at Bendigo tonight
A year ago he had just come off 3 wins in a row at Melton
That had brought his record since coming over from NZ to 8 wins and 10 places from 27 starts
After those 3 Melton wins he dropped off but typical of the Douglas stable he was not spelled for another 17 starts (for two placings) which made his first campaign for them, one of 44 starts in 12mths

Maybe the vet examination will show something

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...23#BNC28042301

Replays for the last two not up yet - I am guessing they have gone home and they wont be up until tomorrow

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Originally Posted by Messenger

What has happened to Captain Confetti?
Put in a shocker in the last at Bendigo tonight
A year ago he had just come off 3 wins in a row at Melton
That had brought his record since coming over from NZ to 8 wins and 10 places from 27 starts
After those 3 Melton wins he dropped off but typical of the Douglas stable he was not spelled for another 17 starts (for two placings) which made his first campaign for them, one of 44 starts in 12mths

Maybe the vet examination will show something

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...23#BNC28042301

Replays for the last two not up yet - I am guessing they have gone home and they wont be up until tomorrow

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He is a Sweet Lou horse, most of which seem to have a short "best before" date.

So would the suggestion be to race him 44 times in 12mths or space them?

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Originally Posted by Messenger

So would the suggestion be to race him 44 times in 12mths or space them?

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The stable is not renowned for planning race programs for individual horses. It's more a case of see an eligible race, enter the horse. Regardless of the quality of the opposition.

The horses spell on the float going to and from the races.

Yes, the horses seem to be just a commodity to them
They are infamous for how they dispose of them
A_b_s_o_ P_t

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Originally Posted by Showgrounds

The stable is not renowned for planning race programs for individual horses. It's more a case of see an eligible race, enter the horse. Regardless of the quality of the opposition.

The horses spell on the float going to and from the races.

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You missed a step, it's more like......"see eligible race, enter the horse, CALL ELLEN TORMEY TO MEND THE FENCE, go to race regardless of quality of the opposition.

We had Sahara Miss provide a double at Mildura last weekend and last night Kateeshar provided a double with Byrneside Boom and Arggghhh

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=MX290423

Kateeshar never raced, nor did any of her siblings but they were out of outstanding juvenile Nemeeshar

I wish our records were better (bloody terrible!). Nemeeshar was bred in WA and briefly started her racing career there but then came East. I would have liked to have known if she was sold. Nothing decent online before 2013 (once again I say - how backward were our administrators) and the details you can get from the results earlier than this, tell you nothing more than the driver - even if you have the appropriate Year Book, you won't find out anything more than the driver of the winner

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Originally Posted by Messenger

We had Sahara Miss provide a double at Mildura last weekend and last night Kateeshar provided a double with Byrneside Boom and Arggghhh

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=MX290423

Kateeshar never raced, nor did any of her siblings but they were out of outstanding juvenile Nemeeshar

I wish our records were better (bloody terrible!). Nemeeshar was bred in WA and briefly started her racing career there but then came East. I would have liked to have known if she was sold. Nothing decent online before 2013 (once again I say - how backward were our administrators) and the details you can get from the results earlier than this, tell you nothing more than the driver - even if you have the appropriate Year Book, you won't find out anything more than the driver of the winner

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You just need to go to a meeting result eg 16th Dec 2002 Gloucester Park. Will show you owners name at that meeting (for the winning horse). Then click on the horse. The starts summary in that section then tells trainers name. Click on race results at leisure where you can then also see owners names (when horse in question is the winner).

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?search

Or this direct link to search horses is better

You dont think I have all these on my Favourites Bar Brendan lol

It cannot believe that I didn't do that

Memory is going - I knew there was some way of doing better than 2013

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Originally Posted by Messenger

You dont think I have all these on my Favourites Bar Brendan lol

It cannot give you the results that they have not entered

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But it does show results before 2013 and if you went through here you would have been able to tell Neemeeshar had same owners all along and Tindale was trainer before transferring to Davies.

Good to see the same owners - not that common to see a WA breeder send one over

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

But it does show results before 2013 and if you went through here you would have been able to tell Neemeeshar had same owners all along and Tindale was trainer before transferring to Davies.

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That way does but if you use results

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/re...?activeTab=tab

The earliest year is 2013

We need to have the search commonly used (see below)

https://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/search

Take you to the 'real results' when you use the Racing Performances to click on a race - instead of the terrible ones they take us to

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Originally Posted by Messenger

That way does but if you use results

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/re...?activeTab=tab

The earliest year is 2013

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Under the calendar on the right hand side just hit 'Monthly Results'. From here you can narrow down the search to Month, State and Year (back to 1985 ).

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

Under the calendar on the right hand side just hit 'Monthly Results'. From here you can narrow down the search to Month, State and Year (back to 1985).

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Thank You Thank You Brendan

I was somewhat shocked that it was 2013 - I would have sworn (correctly) that it was better than that

That is a little glitch - you should not have to hit monthly
(I will let HRA know about that)

Still need the traditional search to be better - the reason being that if you are starting from last night's results and click on Kateeshar it takes you to the traditional search results and you forget and use the Racing Performances tab which gives the results but only takes you to a crappy version of individual races

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Originally Posted by Showgrounds

He is a Sweet Lou horse, most of which seem to have a short "best before" date.

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We will have to see how this pans out as it is still early days with his oldest only 6yo's and most of his progeny under 4 years old

https://peterprofit.com/its-always-g...clients-names/

https://peterprofit.com/whats-the-go-with-glenn-munise/

Fancy just mere hours after making a mistake with Munsie's name posting an article bagging someone for making a 1 letter mistake with somebody else's name.

4yo mare White Star Molly had won 2 of 49 starts before 22yo trainer Tom Rundle took her on. She is going for 6 in a row at Ballarat tomorrow night
(But strikes good Stewart 3yo filly Tiffs Little Sister - who is Princess Tiffany's little sister)

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...23#BAC19052303

Here is a story about Tom from this time last year

https://harnesslink.com/australia/tw...teaming-ahead/

R8 Charlton today Jilliby Retro paid
$3.10 Win
$3.10 Place
(somebody went a bit hard at Spring Blue - $1.04 Place)

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...23#CHC25052302

Mare Dream Wave has only begun racing as a 5yo and after tonight is 4 wins from 4 starts
She is a full sister to Classy Western (2008) plus a half sis to Classy Guy and The Gingerbreadman
I am a little worried about the longevity of this family as Classy is deceased as are his 2012 and 2015 siblings
Hmm

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...23#CRC28052303

Anyone see the 9th at Echuca last night? What a catch by the catcher! (IMO should have been a non race once the horse caught the field)

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=EC300523