Two Drives Poles Apart

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Originally Posted by 2minuteman

I never said anything about special treatment.I was not looking for a pat on the back.I was simply pointing out that attitudes that denigrate one section of the industry in front of another do nothing to engender a civil conversation.Your comment "...the poor bloody punters who overate their importance...." has lord of the manor connotations that do nothing to have your opinions taken with the good grace I am sure that you wish them to be taken.
I hesitate to ask,but just exactly where do you see a part that the "poor bloody punter" could play that would satisfy you?

Geez Ron,
I'm not playing god here and I hope no one else is either, every cog in the wheel is needed and none are more critical than the others. That was the last line and statement in the post! where does that say I need to be satisfied??
If I've offended you then I am genuinely sorry for that , because it certainly was not my intention. I think if you reread the post I used similar language about all the participants/cogs in the wheel.
Cheers,
Dan

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Originally Posted by Danno

Brad, Steve,
I think if David Caffyn shows his horse daylight any sooner.... the horse doesn't get to the line, they are not machines gents, they have a heart and a mind and they will remind you of they every now and then! A nice horse like Rockson, being still a little bit off his best would have easily been busted in a race run like that... a dumb driver would have looked to win the race and run out of "bottom" with a horse not quite race tough, A smart driver looks for the easier option for the horse and doesn't bust the horse's preparation for an unlikey, short term win.

I know you will not agree, but in my opinion, David Caffyn got the absolute best result he could have in that particular race,AND did not knock the horse around.

as usual, speaking from a perspective not necessarily aligned with you bloody punters.

Cheers,
Dan

I see no mention of poor bloody anyone else here.My original reply was pointing out that there was an attitudinal problem inherent in the post.

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Originally Posted by Danno

Geez Ron,
I'm not playing god here and I hope no one else is either, every cog in the wheel is needed and none are more critical than the others. That was the last line and statement in the post! where does that say I need to be satisfied??
If I've offended you then I am genuinely sorry for that , because it certainly was not my intention. I think if you reread the post I used similar language about all the participants/cogs in the wheel.
Cheers,
Dan

You do not offend me at all.I stand by my initial reply to your post.The rest is "I said...you said..." and goes nowhere.

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Originally Posted by 2minuteman

I see no mention of poor bloody anyone else here.My original reply was pointing out that there was an attitudinal problem inherent in the post.

With all due respect Ron you may well be a highly qualified Dr Phil researcher, but if you reckon that post represents an inherent "attidudinal problem", you're gunna be just a bit too sensitive for me to adequately interact with in a satifactory manner, you see, in my professional life I deal with rather large pieces of engineering excellence, my particular role in this is to "manage friction" believe it or not! and when I finish work I'm not really into managing unprogrammed interpersonal friction as I've pretty much had enough of friction management for one day, as you can no doubt understand being a DR Phil researcher!!

please read into that whatever you choose,
Cheers,
Dan

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Originally Posted by Danno

With all due respect Ron you may well be a highly qualified Dr Phil researcher, but if you reckon that post represents an inherent "attidudinal problem", you're gunna be just a bit too sensitive for me to adequately interact with in a satifactory manner, you see, in my professional life I deal with rather large pieces of engineering excellence, my particular role in this is to "manage friction" believe it or not! and when I finish work I'm not really into managing unprogrammed interpersonal friction as I've pretty much had enough of friction management for one day, as you can no doubt understand being a DR Phil researcher!!

please read into that whatever you choose,
Cheers,
Dan

Sorry Dan,I stand on the naughty mat suitably chastised,a simple bloody punter.

Danno the punter bets on all types of sports and would not care if harness racing was not there to bet on, not like the owners, trainers and drivers who are part of an industry where some earn a living and others see it as a hobby. If we want to continue to enjoy our sport then we must keep the punter happy as they are our main source of income.

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Originally Posted by clumsy

Danno the punter bets on all types of sports and would not care if harness racing was not there to bet on, not like the owners, trainers and drivers who are part of an industry where some earn a living and others see it as a hobby. If we want to continue to enjoy our sport then we must keep the punter happy as they are our main source of income.

Greg,
the punter is important to our game, I have acknowledged that time and time again on this forum, if somone decides to get precious about being called a "bloody punter" and take offence because they should be referrred to in a different way then that is their problem mate, I'm not asking anyone to lick my boots and I'm sure as hell not gunna lick anyone else's. The game is more reliant in my opinion on owners, but do you see any owners getting precious about how they are addressed on this forum?

Personally speaking, I own and train and drive all of my own horses, I don't have a punt purely because it doesn't interest me and I would race for 20 bucks, a carton of beer or whatever, now just because I don't rely on the punter I'm not having a shot at those who feel they do... do you get where I'm going with this Greg? I hope so!

Most people, myself included should and do respect the fact that the majority of prizemoney comes from the punting dollar, but Greg, thats where it ends mate, the punter plays his part like everyone else, but he's not feeding my horses, I am. He's not paying the service fees, I am. He's not putting the shoes on, paying the transport costs, paying the vet etc etc etc.........I am.

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Originally Posted by Danno

Greg,
the punter is important to our game, I have acknowledged that time and time again on this forum, if somone decides to get precious about being called a "bloody punter" and take offence because they should be referrred to in a different way then that is their problem mate, I'm not asking anyone to lick my boots and I'm sure as hell not gunna lick anyone else's. The game is more reliant in my opinion on owners, but do you see any owners getting precious about how they are addressed on this forum?

Personally speaking, I own and train and drive all of my own horses, I don't have a punt purely because it doesn't interest me and I would race for 20 bucks, a carton of beer or whatever, now just because I don't rely on the punter I'm not having a shot at those who feel they do... do you get where I'm going with this Greg? I hope so!

Most people, myself included should and do respect the fact that the majority of prizemoney comes from the punting dollar, but Greg, thats where it ends mate, the punter plays his part like everyone else, but he's not feeding my horses, I am. He's not paying the service fees, I am. He's not putting the shoes on, paying the transport costs, paying the vet etc etc etc.........I am.

Dan I don't train or drive but I am an owner as for punting a $20 bet once every blue moon is a big deal for me. Like a lot of others you own,train and drive your horses and would be happy racing for 20 bucks but for those that strive to make a living from the sport the punters dollar is very important.

Greg, just wondering is Shaun your brother, uncle, nephew? Watched State Emblem go round at Young earlier and I thought Shanes drive from the back row to land behind the leader was an absolute pearler of drive and deserved better than fourth. They're the sort of drives you see and appreciate. Giving your horse every possible and not die wondering. 11/10.

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Originally Posted by broncobrad

Greg, just wondering is Shaun your brother, uncle, nephew? Watched State Emblem go round at Young earlier and I thought Shanes drive from the back row to land behind the leader was an absolute pearler of drive and deserved better than fourth. They're the sort of drives you see and appreciate. Giving your horse every possible and not die wondering. 11/10.

Brad, Shaun is my son and trains the horses from the family property in Narrandera. You are right about Shane's drive, it was one of his best.