Actually just going to bed, but have fun fellas
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Actually just going to bed, but have fun fellas
a mere scratch Bradley, a mere scratchQuote:
Originally Posted by broncobrad
I want some of the shit you guys are on, this bloody hilarious
Also heard HRNSW are thinking of bringing back inside running rails to all tracks..........seems they have got a special deal from Leggo!
It is saying the viewing audience at the moment is 114, this is much higher than when teecee or Triple are on line.......folks tell all you friends to get on line so we can break the ratings record...........or you could send us some material to work with! We could answer any questions you may have........any subject!
Now were up to 117, this is out of control......or someone has called up the moderators (Big Brother)
audience is dropping, now 111.......looks like the show is over for tonight................Goodnight Brad,Dan,Tiny a Luke!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't forget Brad you have 4 catheters to change in the morning!Quote:
Originally Posted by broncobrad
You seem have gone all quiet there HP. I trust you are not feeling poorly. :rolleyes:
Have you seen two better drives than Jrn's efforts with Gracias Para Nada (sp?) and of course, Imthemightyquinn. Outstanding.
Yes. Top drive. Going to the inside of Smoken Up instead of to the outside at the 600-700 mark ???,won him the race.
It' a good drive whenever you get the money, but Jesus H Christ what about the horse?? I thought Jnr had left it too late but didn't he gather them in around the home turn??, out 4 wide??? I'd love to know what he ran that furlong in! No horse I've seen has had the right or temerity to do what ITMQ did there, gobsmackingly sensational.
Nice drive. Jr had ice in the veins and the horse power.
Having not watched a lot of racing from WA until this carnival, I must say I have been very impressed with the young guy Woodley. He certainly has the head and the hands to get his charges around.
Sorry to have missed the fun :) But there isn't any need to look too far for your improved sulky design! Jim Walsh has already done the work for you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by broncobrad
http://www.rjwalsh.com.au/models.htm#apollo
How much extra for the periscope and wheel spikes Phil??Quote:
Originally Posted by strong persuader
I love the look of the Regal Hittite Special and to think it has already established a world record at Young! Could you imagine 8 of these going around at Menangle with only the most ambitious of drivers being considered for selection to compete over two miles? It could become the REAL CHARIOTS OF FIRE.
Seriously though, credit where credits due, Hall Jnr deserves every plaudit for remaining ice cool to the metre and let the horse show us what he really is capable of in our premier event. Like every one else, I was thinking its time to go, its time to go, its really time to go...and then when you think its too late he lets him go. BANG! To the harness racing tragics it was a much louder and more pleasant sounding BOOM heard all over Oz & NZ than the crap we have had to endure for the last six months.
Disappointed in SU galloping (apart from the hip pocket pain) because we will never know what may have happened and the opportunitys for both animals to compete against each other whilst still at the top of their game are fast running out.
Loved the series and love the competitive driving that small tracks engender. Well done Western Australia. The junior driving championship has also been absorbing and the girls have been sticking it to the boys.
His drive on ITMQ was disgraceful...........why would you let a horse that has been tailed off 50 metres go around you with a lap to go......didn't he see how much ground SU lost.....the week before he took off at the 1000 metre mark and cruised around hard held!.........then he decided to trail SU at the bell, until he finally realised it was gone! Give me a break, I hope his old man tells him not to do that again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
What a joke, an ice cool drive wins a $1mil race which happens to be an inter and that's the best you've gotQuote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
Now I won't attempt to argue with your kind of intelligence but there is a bloke with a little bit of it that watched the same race
That just doesn't happen in races . . . and it doesn't happen in Inter Dominions," master horseman Brian Hancock said of Im Themightyquinn's breathtaking last-to-first win at Gloucester Park on Friday night.
His sheer speed is amazing. You win nine out of 10 race with that speed," Hancock said.
And he was full of compliments for the Hazelmere father-and-son team who executed the win.
"They worked out how they would do it and said nothing," Hancock said.
"They knew they had the best horse but you still have to win it. The kid (Gary Jr) outsmarted them and he seemed to be the only person who didn't put pressure on himself," he said.
I have tipped ITMQ all the way through the ID heats, I posted a market on this site that had ITMQ odds on favourite before he became tomato sauce odds anywhere else..........My market also had MF at 8/1.........I thought the ITMQ was a certainty with any luck in running......he had 20 metres on any othe runner (based on his heat runs)......Please explain to me why he let a horse that had been tailed off 50 metres during running take off in front of you???? Then you take a trail on him, and realise 150 metres you have made a mistake..........JNR should have taken off in front of SU, maybe another runner may have come out and given him a trail up to the leader and he would have won by 20 metres with his exhilarating speed!! The race was not run at a fast tempo, it was time to get on your way...........the fact is he still won the race, which shows how much the horse had on the field.............Quote:
Originally Posted by spider
"The kid (Gary Jr) outsmarted them and he seemed to be the only person who didn't put pressure on himself," he said...............Really?????......he sat last in a slowly run race.......let a horse go that had been tailed off..........pulled out 5 wide at the 450 metre mark and got home by 1.4 metres........lucky the horse had a lap on them!........I would say that was a possible recipe for defeat........Thankfully, JNR was on such a great horse!......"Hail the Mighty King"
The fact that you have the best horse does not always make you the winner........If you remember.............2ND DECEMBER, 2011, ITMQ, (driven by N R Jack) sat close to the leaders at Melton in a FFA, and was beaten by Melpark Major, when they dawdled upfront and sprinted home......even though ITMQ ran fantastic times himself!
To claim a great drive by JNR we beg to differ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeez I'm glad I didn't take you on in a debate, your abiltiy to dismiss a master speaks volumes of your experience in all things drivingQuote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
And wow! and your skill to see everything that didn't happen is amazing
I did not dismiss a master, I think BPH spoke more about ITMQ's ability than anything else........to have such sheer speed and acceleration is what makes a great horse, and he appreciated that in ITMQ, because his training methods were always to develop the speed in his horses and hopefully, they would develop toughness with maturity.......I don't know what he used to think of old Bundanoon as it was more of a stayer than a sprinter! BPH also said "His sheer speed is amazing. You win nine out of 10 race with that speed," .....that's the point not 10/10 but 9/10!Quote:
Originally Posted by spider
At the time of the race, BPH may not have known the sectionals that were being run upfront, but they were not fast, but the horse overcome the obstacles and ITMQ won the race........thank goodness!..............you mention about my skill to see everything that didn't happen is amazing!...........please let me know where my observation of the race is not accurate.......as I pride myself on accuracy more than anything else, BPH maybe one of the greatest drivers of all time, but he doesn't spend the time doing the form analysis of horses that I do!...........I maybe a little harsh in my comments, but I don't think so, as SNR & JNR both indicated they had a leg on the field.............JNR did not drive that way.........he may have been a little too cute.......it could have cost him the race!.......I still believe my analysis of the race is correct!!!!!!!!!!!
Not quite, I was on Gracia Para Nada. I couldn't believe the odds he got out too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
Quite a few weeks before the Inters kicked off I started a thread asking if guys were supporting anything at longers odds. In it, I made the case for Lombo Navigator initially @ 151 & 38.5 then 126 & 31.
You'll also find numerous posts from last week where I on a few occasions posted that I'd stepped in with further support for Lombo Navigator @ 101 & 16.
I made three trips to Perth for the series. Navigator's 3rd covered it tenfold +.
I caught the red eye back and headed out to Menangle on Saturday night. Atmosphere wise from the Penthouse to the Outhouse : )
Good horse. Beautifully handled throughout the Series.
I was hoping for good things to happen for Lombo Navigator, mostly because of a tenuous connection to Andrew De Campo. He is friends with some friends of ours in WA & during the Tassie ID Carnival of a few years back now Andrew drove and duly won very well with a then 3yo that we had. A nicer fella you'd be pretty hard pressed to find. He and his driver did a great job I thought.
A great training performance after a shocker on night one and a fantastic drive, clean too. He only needed a neck more to his outside and he would of had sufficient room to force MMM a further horse wider and he was clear at the 400. The difference between winning comfortably and a luckless 3rd. A great result though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
I got to get a look at the stewards report. The interference at turn one was severe. The Justice boys got their tactics completely wrong, a real choke job IMO. It took care of Mr Feelgood, he could easily of hit the deck. I thought he looked a little worse for wear after the race. That might be it for him ?
Will Justice get any time for it ?
MR FEELGOOD (John McCarthy) – Tightened, contacted and broke gait racing towards the back straight on the first occasion. A post race veterinary examination revealed the horse to have minor lacerations to the off fore leg and minor filling to the off hind leg. Acting on veterinary advice no action was taken.
SMOKEN UP (John Justice ) – Racing towards the back straight on the first occasion contacted the sulky with its off hind leg. As a result the gelding hung inwards, despite the efforts of its driver, checking another runner before breaking gait.
Looks like the horse got the blame for the choke job. The next time I get a traffic violation I'll try and blame it on the light going red before I wanted it to : )Quote:
Originally Posted by Harold Parker
Your expertise is still amazes meQuote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
Now it's time to be real, your posts already tell me that you are a lounge chair legend
BHP has sat where Hall jnr has sat thousands of times yet you have the audacity to question his analysis compared to yours
You crawl your way through a dictionary of words and metres of paragraphs just to show what an expert you really are.
The great man (who incidentally has discarded more knowledge on driving than you could ever imagine) can asess or analize this race in the blink of an eye uses just one line.
" The kid outsmarted them "
Don't try and tell me he didn't see all the irrelevant shit you try and use to back up a ridiculous staement
Do you think BPH would say that was a lucky drive, or very ordinary drive, or lucky he was driving a horse which had a lap on them........No way, he would be criticised from here to kingdom come!Quote:
Originally Posted by spider
Please tell me how the kid outsmarted them...........he drew barrier 7, eased at the start, was last, except for SU who galloped at the first turn, and then was tailed off by over 50 metres, at least the kid was last on the outside!.......SU catches the field with 1000 meteres to go, and takes off immediately......the kid tries to follow him, but realises a 100 metres later that SU is gonski......so he pulls back in.........he did wait a bit longer before taking off and then was pushed off the track at the 400 metre mark by other horses making their runs........lucky ITMQ has such brilliant speed and was able to get around the other horses and take the lead into the straight and win!.......
In his last couple of drives on ITMQ, the kid has been criticised for pushing other runners out of the way to make his run, or taking off 1000- metres from home!
For my mental stability, please tell me how he outsmarted them????????
To be honest I keep repeating myself........there is nothing more to say about the driver or the race etc......except that the best horse won, and that's all that counts!
Whoa steady there Formy just be careful if that lounge chair jumps a shadow you'll be down in a screamin heap while your still crawlin through that dictionaryQuote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
"The kid outsmarted them" your barking up the wrong tree, lay some of your logic on BPH as your scrabble of words clearly shows him to be a fool
For your mental stability, I'm not sure, maybe ask someone who cares
OK, let's get down to your acceptance of the situation, "the kid won the race, so therefore, he outsmarted them".........I am happy with that!.........If you fail to accept that I may have another reasonable alternative view of the circumstances........then you fail to consider their may just be another acceptable way to look at things!Quote:
Originally Posted by spider
I am not running the idea that BPH is a fool, you put those words in my mouth........however, I would strongly argue that he outsmarted the other drivers! In fact, I would nearly go as far as to say, that if they put you in ITMQ's sulky with a blindfold on and pointed you in the right direction, you would have been the 2012 ID winning driver!
When you put your hard earned money on a horse, you are entitled to an opinion!.........I may be a "lounge lizard" gambling on harness racing as you imply.........But! I put my judgement on the line everyday, and have done my research......and have my own opinion!
Cheers formy I'll check the inter 2012 results in a few years time and see if anything has changedQuote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
I don't believe any form anaylist would ever have any chance of understanding BPH statement, simply because until you have lived it you can only imagine it
Best of luck with your punting, stay on hall jnr and you'll back a lot of winners LOL
This discussion has probably had its time but I half agree with Steve. IMO ITMQ didn't win because of any sensational drive by Jnr. He won because he was a few lengths superior to any other horse in the race.
I think it was a good drive and he made all the right decisions but I can't see where he outsmarted anyone.
Thanks, Trev........the man he mentions BPH "WAS" responsible for some remarkable drives and did outsmart his opposition on Koala King and Weona Warrior........not to mention "the drive of the century" from Howard James aboard Thorate, also from the BPH stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by eliteblood
I can't believe Sabilize still holds the track record at Bankstown..............I was there that night!
I think that was one of Sabilize's best wins. A long time ago now but I still remember it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
I have been looking through my old race books, but haven't found it yet...........it would have the sectionals in it!Quote:
Originally Posted by eliteblood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EiBa...0&feature=plcpQuote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Dan, I get sucked into those old videos everytime, start watching one and then another and so on and lose track of time completely. Trevor would probably get a kick out of a couple with Sabilize going around in years gone by. But funny how things change over the years. The positive was for caffeine and they copped 7 years, reduced to 5 years. Forty years later its Boldenone and they get 6 and 9 months and one of the offenders is screaming blue murder. How did the disqualification periods become so pathetic.
By reducing the standard of proof and using a charge of absolute liability.
7 years for drug administration down to 6 / 9 months for your horse having a drug in its system. (how it got there is not relevant to proving the charge).
Cheers Teecee. It seems like what was once a high risk offence that you would get smashed for with a great big club has now blossomed into a breeding ground for anyone who wants to try to gain an unfair advantage and when caught are delivered a tsk tsk, naughty naughty, nice try but bad luck paltry penalty. Heres a six months holiday to see where you went wrong and try improve your performance enhancing techniques.
Not a strong enough deterrent to put off those seeking to gain that illegal head start I would think.
Fully respect your opinion Tony but I dont think the standard of proof has changed at all. Phil Coulson, a multi award winning trainer, ( a record some of our current "celebrity trainers" could only wish to emulate, never, ever, said , or confessed to the administartion of ANYTHING to Juniors Image.Quote:
Originally Posted by teecee
Having said that, I have to agree with Brad, the penalties are pathetic! It makes you wonder!!!
By the way gents, I put that up to display the beautiful push out by Phil at about the 600m, now Brad your a punter who likes to see his horse/stake given every chance, how can you say there should not be a push out rule if your on the one thats pushing out?? The horse is getting it's chance, and thats what everybody wants, I think.
Cheers,
Dan
Only a small punter Dan, neither here nor there. We should get the same protection as the giants. I took exception to his 90degree right hand turn. I can accept your push out rule when applied correctly. You have explained the finer points of using this manouvre extremely well in this thread and no need to rehash them. Your point is well and truly proven. Cheers.