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Originally Posted by Toohard
Google dictionary: sensical - that makes sense, showing internal logic, sensible
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Ignoramus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toohard
Google dictionary: sensical - that makes sense, showing internal logic, sensible
Google dictionary!!! FFS I rest my case...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
Counts you out then !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
No comments about the other crap you pasted on website?? Didn't think so... sit behind someone with cushy run and drop out...
Not in there. Surprise Surprise!
How'd he go in the test on the left hand side of that page?
Maybe this one http://www.merriam-webster.com/
:D
Take off the NZ ID prize money he was "given" and give it to the actual winner of that race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maorisidol
Here's the cold hard facts : Inter Dominions - Australasia's greatest harness racing event I'm Themightyquinn 2 .........Smoken Up 0
This is what the honour roll will show and if there is one thing I would want to erase is the ignominious wording 1 Smoken Up disqualified for irregular swab.
You must accept the fact that no matter how much you dislike it this is what the records will show and I'm not going to make any more comments except for one because I'm sure fellow forum members are tired of reading them.
Oh well, it looks like Rod has more luck on Smoken Up's facebook
And still no comments about what he posted Smoken Up facebook. Maybe he thinks it was sensical to do so....
Not knowing that the Smoken Up facebook page was your's I'm sorry if it offended you but there was a derogatory remark made about ITMQ and I don't care whose facebook page it is those type of remarks will not go unanswered. You should tell your fellow SU lovers if they are commenting not to denigrate other horses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toohard
Not mine. Absolutely nothing to do with me. But I will remind everyone that censor Mighty Atom is on the look out for anything sensical and is very touchy about ITMQ. Maybe you should start with Google dictionary?
Is it not well past your bedtime over there, if this is all you have to do is sit up all night on the keyboard I suggest you get a life.
Still working. Your excuse? Silly me...censoring websites....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
No retraction I see. Live by Google dictionary and I need to get a life???Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
It has obviously touched a raw nerve hence the need for two posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toohard
It appears the Smoken Up fans are keen to do a lot of talking eg 'Great Pretender' and this website, but they aren't prepared to put their money where their mouth is by travelling to WA or betting on him.
https://www.tab.com.au/#!/nsw/racing...INTER-DOMINION
Who wants a head to head bet. First past the post in the Inter final (as long as both start in the heat)?
Some of us Brendan can simply 'just appreciate' both of these horses for who they are and what they have both achieved, without getting into some stupid slanging match which is nothing more than an endeavor of conjecture...everyones got an opinion but whose got the conclusive answer. Nobody. Because there is no answer. Unless these two horses competed in the same races, against the same horses, on the same track over varying distances for their whole careers could someone definitively say one was better than the other. So the arguement really is no arguement at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
I have always found the best way to shut someone up or put an end to an arguement is to challenge them with a financial ultimatum. Inevitably in most cases the person most unsure usually backs out of the topic. There are too many variables in a race with barrier positions, racing patterns, pace and interference playing too much of a role in an Inter final to bet with any confidence on either of these horses at this stage. And it will probably not slow the arguements down either because of any of those factors just mentioned. In any case, at this stage Terror To Love is my early pick. The biggest reason being his owner said after his last NZ campaign he would not be tempted to keep him up for the Vic Cup, putting him in the paddock and putting the horse first. (If) he is there on Finals afternoon, he is going to be ready to rock!
Exactly, which is why I put the bet up - because we can all argue until the cows come home but we aren't really getting anywhere and opinions aren't changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncobrad
Ha ha just logged on to discover more banter than this forum has had in last 12 months. Fantastic passion lads.
I will never knock ITMQ as a horse - he is a great horse and I'd love to own him. You can't blame him for how the NZ inter was given to him, nor can you blame him for the substandard but rich races he wins easily in WA.
I personally think at both their best Smoken Up is/was the better horse - think he proved that in the NZ inter dominion (don't care what anyone says SU won that race), in the miracle mile, and in the victoria cup last year. The WA ID result doesn't count around that pokey little track. That's just my opinion. And I do think ITMQ's $$ are grossly inflated over what they would've been had the eagles boys not bought him back in the day and instead he'd run his whole career in the east. Once again just my opinion. I don't believe that is knocking ITMQ to have those opinions.
He was a Kiwi?Quote:
Originally Posted by little fish
Hey Brenno...just read this article, looks like TTL is back today...might be able to start building a bank for March (apparently hes approx $1.50 today)
http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=103092
Not a gambling man Breeno but a case of your favourite lager vs a case of mine? Free beers not gambling is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Probably posting on wrong thread but correct me if I'm wrong. Last I heard ITMQ coming over for Hunter Cup? Surely he doesn't go back to Perth for the heat of inter? And then back to Sydney for final? So reading the conditions he can go to Sydney for supplementary heat if runs in Hunter Cup? Same with Sushi if he runs in Hunter Cup (in NZ when nominated). And same for any other NZ or interstate horse that runs in Hunter Cup. If so, supplementary heat going to be a beauty!!
You know when the next bun fight starts? When they both run 4th in their heats and both vying for the wildcard!!
[QUOTE=Toohard;24958] Last I heard ITMQ coming over for Hunter Cup? [QUOTE]
My understanding of that is it was G Hall Snr thinking out loud when talking to Adam Hamilton after ITMQ ran 4th a couple of weeks ago. He was saying how it is easier to get to Melbourne than Sydney and therefore he was thinking that maybe the Hunter Cup would be his target instead. Jnr and a few of the connections got a bit excited last Friday and let slip that they are coming to Sydney.
[VVV] Hey Dot...seriously, all this tension and pent up emotion.Why don't you just get it over with and ring me and ask me out to dinner? We could even go for a drive down to that really nice Gelato place in Concord for afters.
You know him better than I do Dot.
Sorry VVV I only date men with high intellects and intact genitalia. That way the dinner conversation is stimulating and when the time comes for "afters" so much more satisfying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
Just for a change of pace, before either blood or seminal and vaginal fluids are sprayed all over our screens and hurting all of our eyes (as entertaining as it is guys, maybe you two should pool your money and hire a 'thread' for the night)... just for a change of pace, did anybody catch how impressively my pick for the Inter, Terror To Love went at Ascot today? That $1.50 price today was stealing money and today proves he is going to be one fit, happy and an undeniable chance of collecting some Interdom glory against a lot of horses who have been up for a while and might be looking for somewhere to hide come finals night.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncobrad
Suicidal to go the early crow but WTF ... hopefully he brings his NZ form with him this time. Terror To Love and Ricky May to win the 2013 final.
Brad, a good mate of mine who reads this forum from time to time is a very good judge and he reckons that Terror To Love is a superstar. He thinks the upcoming ID lies at his mercy. As a rule he's not given to making big calls so you & he might well be on the same train. It's one of the more compelling build ups to an ID that I can remember. There are so many good ones, proven old stagers and up & coming stars, it is a Series not to be missed. I am leaning towards an ID Final showdown involving ITMQ, Excel Stride, Terror To Love and Smoken Up.
TTL was sensational Brad. Frightening to think how good this guy might be.
$4 equal favourite with ITMQ at the moment. If he qualifies for the final and arrives safely you won't be seeing that price.
To answer your question why do I think he is favourite for the ID... Because he can win it! What else? Just cos I don't think he is the best pacer in Australia, doesn't mean he can't win Kevo! And so many people in the media like to talk up the little fella cos he's good for the sport based on his CV, no doubt about it. If I was a reporter u could pump up his tyres so easily cos he's flashy and super impressive with his dynamic sprint etc etc, wins all the time in Perth, will or should win the Freo Cup in about an hours time from when I write this, he is a media dream. He's good for the sport lads, I know this.
However, cos here we are on a FORUM, this is where different people give their own opinion on certain topics.
Some people think Quinn is the número uno, and will hear nothing negative about him at all, somewhat to a very personal totally offended kind of way.
For all u Eagle people and the odd Wagga boy who get so offended at me challenging your hero, harden up, so what if that's what I think, just don't get so cut about it...believe what u believe, good on u, I don't have a problem what different people think of different horses, so why do u guys get so emotional about the big bad Maorisidol attacking little Quinny?
Now to answer your question of who i think is Australia best pacer.... Well That deserves a whole new thread, but someone else can start that if they want, could b interesting and a good debate really.
Anyway, I ask what SHOULD this horse be to earn this position as number 1?
For me, it should have great speed of course, stamina, durability, toughness, never give in attitude and be able to do things that cause the grandstand to stand and clap while saying wow! Part of that is the ability to make several moves in a race and have something in the tank to fight out the finish.
In the past Blackie has fulfilled those requirements and hogged the spot for many years, and nowadays I have to give the Honour to Trigger. Looked a few starts ago that age maybe catching up with him and like this season was gonna be not so good, but based on Vic Cup massive run, SA Cup run fantastic too, however Melpark death seating him was a bit of a query too. But at the end of the day he has 1:48.5 and guts like nobody...so at this point he's it for me, but I reckon this will be his last season as any point he could start going backwards as the Melpark race indicated. Nothing against Melpark I really like him and was glad to see him grab a great victory, it was just so surprising to see Trigger beaten in that way.
Caribbean Blaster not there yet but may be in a short time, Excel Stride shows great potential, Terrorway, no, Washakie always second rung but up there.
So that really only leaves little Quinny and in my opinion of growing up with Hondo Grattan, Paleface, Poppy, Gammalite, Blackie and the likes, Quinn ain't tough enough, he doesn't travel to the east enough to assert his dominance over the other horses like Pure Steel did so regularly.
And if a horse can't win the Vic Cup with the run he had, he ain't the best in Australia, Brenno then says, but it was the fastest lead time ever!!!! Yeah we'll the bloody best horse in the land should still win by then having the sit behind the leader and simply uses his weapon of incredible speed, too easy. But no, couldn't do it again against this quality in the east.
Yes Ash'ol mate,I get it..its your opinion on how you think ..what you believe to be true..that makes you feel good.And there are people who think the same..not a problem.The difference is though..reading through your posts you.. as I see it,stick the boots in to the horse and WA Horses in general,you ensure your posts go a litle bit further and kind of make it personal to us parochial West Aussie's.ITMQ's record is pretty good in the East but you jump on it.Then offer excuses when the good Visitors come here for the Inter's and run very ordinary in the final. Even when Chancellor Cullen came here with a massive reputation and narrowly won The McInerney Ford Classic but then got beat by the locals in the Golden Nugget,no one here posted any negative comments on the depth of the 4yo's in Vic.Why would you?no doubt he's a good horse and any clear thinking person knows that its tough at top level in most States let alone having to travel as well.
So Ash'ol mate,pretty sure most people are sick of our little spat,you believe what you need to to "Feelgood",I dont want you to get your "Blaster" out and pull the "Trigger cause then we'll have a "Major" that only "Dr Quin" might fix.
Typical eagles arrogance - dare anyone say a word against WA it becomes personal
And since when is 'the east' a unified group of states?
This is fishbowl little man's syndrome.
Chancellor Cullen is very very good at his best, but there are a stack of really good 4yos around the country, we'll see in Sydney just how good imvictorius is ,the chariots will be a cracking race and he'll want to be damn good to beat restrepo smolda fly like an eagle and co.... Woops I mentioned 2 kiwis maybe it's now the east + NZ versus WA???
Was it maybe 20-30 years ago that there was a "movement" in WA to separate from the rest of Australia and become its own country or was that just talk? Cos Kev I reckon u and Rod might have been the founders of such a concept, u have such a chip on your shoulder about thinking that all eastern states people hate WA...it's seems a paranoia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big K
I have not "stuck the boots into WA horses in general" at all.
U fail to read my English .
I said I would like to own Mysta Magical and Dasher, now to me that says I like 'em, not hate 'em!
This very thing Rod makes it impossible to have a logical discussion with u when u say these kind of things, all my reasonings and examples are based on numbers and stats and real race events.
I have never said oh those Perth horses are all crap! Yet that's what u virtually accuse me of.
I have never said Quinn is crap, the very only absolute thing I say about Quinn is that he is simply not number 1. He's right up there of course, I said of course he could win the ID Final this year...
So, enough banging my head against a brick wall....I'm out.
G'day Kev,Quote:
Originally Posted by Big K
Classic mate.
Ash, I thought all of this had settled down but obviously not . I made no comment about your favourite horse Smoken Up being beaten in the Horsham Cup by Melpark Major, no comment about him running seventh in the Vic Cup, no comment on his second in the NZ Cup,in fact only once have I mentioned his name at all and that's when Excel Stride beat him so emphatically over SU pet distance of 1700 metres.
The minute ITMQ comes over for Vic Cup and runs third what do we get, an assumption from you that the horse is no good because he should have won it easily from his position in the field, and guess what, so should have Smoken Up in the Horsham and NZ Cups from his front running position. Then you had to mention my name as to where I was, you hadn't heard from me for a while, I'm quiet on Quinn's run etc then we get the run down on all his other runs blah,blah ,blah from similar types to you. The reason I had stopped posting for quite some time is that I get tired of having to post comments in the negative and I was seriously considering closing my account because of people like you. Believe me'' the wise men from the east'' doesn't apply here. Your'e out, so am I.
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Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
???? You posted negative comments on Smoken Ups fan page less than hour after he won SA Cup?
Ok I was out, but when people quote me as saying something I didn't say, that's not right to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
U have the other blokes problem, understanding English and comprehension and worst yet twisting my words to an exaggerated degree because u r all emotional as soon as u see a post by the big bad Maorisidol!!!!!!! Ooooooooo!!!!
And also making assumptions. When u make an assumption Rod u make an "ass" out of "u" and "me"
Get it? Ass u me... Assume.
U assume Trigger is my "favourite horse"
Show me anywhere on this forum in any of my 200 odd posts where I have stated that! Don't bother u won't find it...
Quinn runs third in the Vic Cup, u then say "we get, an assumption from you that the horse is no good because he should have won it easily"
2 things Rod, I did not ever say he was no good or even infer it...so why say that I said that?
And I also didn't say he should have won easily.... I certainly said that IF he was the best in Australia, he totally should have won, but he didn't. Hence not No. 1.
And now the kicker... On another thread u say this, "As far as ITMQ goes I have never said he is the best",
Mate that's the only thing I have been trying to say, so why the big defence, again I have never said he was a donkey!
It's nothing personal against the horse at all, nothing against WA, nothing against u or Kevin,
just trying to have a discussion on a forum and on here where anyone can have their word on who they may think is number 1 or not or whatever the topic maybe,
No hard feelings mate!
Good thing is we are both passionate about the trots!
Now U have my word on this topic
I'm out.
Ps. Just don't come back and say I said something I didn't...:)
You seem to have a fixation with Smoken Up's fan page. I apologized thinking it was your facepage to which you answered "Not mine. Absolutely nothing to do with it'', so what's your issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Toohard
If a facepage is out there to the public it is going to be commented on. Yes you are right, I posted a negative reply to another, as I was saying, counter-productive.
Note: it was a comment not comments.
Geeze fellas, I've got to admit...it's quite refreshing to see some other poor bastard taking a bit of heat around here. :rolleyes: