The scum bags of our sport

Thanks Mark. Given the relative speed with which 'justice'...and I use that term loosely...has been 'served' in the past as far as Harness Racing is concerned, I'm not at all surprised that many people have begun to read into 'we haven't heard anything' as being 'nothing is progressing' or 'they don't have enough evidence' or 'nothing is going to happen'. As you'd no doubt appreciate and probably more than most, justice as it is dispensed by an Australian Court Of Law... and justice as it is via the various sanctions, suspensions, fines and numerous other measures that are dealt out to transgressing participants by Harness Racing Stewards...are about as alike as Balsamic Vinegar and Olive Oil, as for that matter are the respective investigative approaches of Stewards Panels and the NSW Police. The Rules & Regulations of Harness Racing are one thing...the Law of the Land is another. Each has a very different burden of proof for starters.

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Originally Posted by Harness29

VVV.... I heard a rumor the other day that the NSW police force is in fact dropping the case because after viewing evidence they believe they have nothing too follow up on.. They think HRNSW jumped the gun by going public and taking action and if they involved them earlier they would have nailed them..
Not sure on truth about it tho

[VVV] G'day Steven. Hope against hope is an incredible thing. No doubt whoever the dastardly deed doers are that are pushing that line think that if they say the same thing often enough for long enough then they'll be able to pick up old Toto, click the heels of their Ruby Red Shoes & they'll all wake up safely back home in Kansas with Uncle Henry & Aunty Em. It ain't gonna play out that way. No somewhere over the rainbow here.

For sake of the sport I hope it is cleaned up, harness racing has a dirt name as is without this

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Originally Posted by Harness29

VVV.... I heard a rumor the other day that the NSW police force is in fact dropping the case because after viewing evidence they believe they have nothing too follow up on.. They think HRNSW jumped the gun by going public and taking action and if they involved them earlier they would have nailed them..
Not sure on truth about it tho

I doubt this could be true any blind man could see the rorts taking place just wait until its over and some big names will fall who have not had a mention to date.

Seen this article in the SMH the other day and thought it should be brought to your attention.
"In the ruling, there was interesting evidence from regulatory manager Reid Sanders, who said there had been a frustrating attempt to obtain CCTV footage. ''We have spoken to [two outlets about CCTV footage] and we have gone to retrieve it and it has been deleted, so you draw the inference that it has miraculously been deleted for whatever reasons,'' Sanders told the appeal."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horserac...#ixzz1aVdOimca

I find that more than a little curious.
In NSW many Pubs & Clubs are required, as part of the Licence Agreement, to have CCTV footage of the entirity of their trading hours & to archive and if asked produce said footage as required and deleting such footage would find them in breach of their Licence.
The Pub business being what it is Liquour Licencees are well and truly aware of their legal standing in this and all other matters and reading between the lines here I strongly suspect that legally HRNSW are not able to compel them to produce the footage, whereas the NSW Police or a Court Order would be able to do so. If that were to happen I reckon it's an even money shot that, like Lazarus coming back from the dead, there would be a nothing short of miraculous re-appearance of the footage. Someone would all of a sudden 'find' it in a PC file somewhere.

I have worked in the security area for a number of years now and I can assure you the footage will still be obtainable. I would love a dollar for everytime a client/company/organisation has told me the footage was destroyed. In the old video days it was possible now with digital.....impossible.

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Originally Posted by triplev123

I find that more than a little curious.
In NSW many Pubs & Clubs are required, as part of the Licence Agreement, to have CCTV footage of the entirity of their trading hours & to archive and if asked produce said footage as required and deleting such footage would find them in breach of their Licence.
The Pub business being what it is Liquour Licencees are well and truly aware of their legal standing in this and all other matters and reading between the lines here I strongly suspect that legally HRNSW are not able to compel them to produce the footage, whereas the NSW Police or a Court Order would be able to do so. If that were to happen I reckon it's an even money shot that, like Lazarus coming back from the dead, there would be a nothing short of miraculous re-appearance of the footage. Someone would all of a sudden 'find' it in a PC file somewhere.

Well sorry to rain on your parade but all you have to do when you fill out the CCTV registration form from NSW police is state how long your Image Retention Period is IE how long you keep them before deleting .The police or lincense DONT tell you how long you have to hold the material and no law says it either but its recommended 14 days for any court material that may be needed.then again if i choose to hold it for 7 days thats my decision.

if you doubt me then go to Level 10B, Police Headquarters, 1 Charles Street, Parramatta NSW and ask because thats where you get your CCTV registered before use or you are in deep trouble if you use CCTV and ist not registered with the police.

UMMMMMMMMM how much space would be required to keep lifelong footage of every CCTV

Ahuh. As I said, if instead a Police or Court Order was made to produce said footage I'm sure that somehow it would be miraculously retrieved. Greg, you seem to be rather upbeat at the prospect that the venues concerned apparently have not complied/failed to produce/claim they do not have the footage required by HRNSW. May I ask why?

Today's Daily Telegraph contains a story quoting one key industry figure, unnamed, that seems to contradict the statement attributed to Reid Sanders in the SMH!

"But there are believed to be concerns key CCTV footage of suspect betting activity - both on course and at other venues including pubs - would be revealed. Key industry figures said revelation of this information could compromise the investigation: "If a suspect knows they've got film coverage of their activity, they can concoct a story to cover whatever they are doing," one said."

Read more at http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226165263442

I wish that something would start to appear to make sense as several people I talk with are already getting pessimistic that it will all be swept under the carpet because some big names in the industry are involved. Without knowing who is involved, it is hard to know what to say because I believe that it is too big to disappear, this is one elephant that isn't going to leave the room until the room is forcibly vacated. (Pun not necessarily intended :) )