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How do we know its out of its system.The tests have to go to Hong kong for testing.I might sound like im harping but the sport is on the nose now with most punters and if this starts in a big race with a positive over its head then it wont stink it will be foul stench that will give the anti harness people a free hit.We cant afford that.
I don't know personally thats why I said IF in my reply to you earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
Thats why if they let it start they need to let joe public know that it is clean and arsenic in not a performance enhancing drug.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Congrats on reaching 1000 posts lol
Been doing some reading and here are a few of the more interesting things I found out.
- Potassium supplements greatly decrease the risk of heart rhythm problems associated with arsenic exposure.
- Naturally occurring sulfurous substances contained in Garlic etc. will greatly assist in the excretion of arsenic.
- Urine tests for arsenic indicate recent exposure (within the previous 24-48hrs).
- Hoof & hair tests show prolonged exposure (within the previous 6-12 months).
- There are analytical techniques capable of distinguishing exposure to organic or inorganic arsenic.
- When consumed most inorganic arsenic is converted to organic compounds and excreted in the urine. On the other hand organic arsenic, when consumed, is excreted in the urine in a largely unchanged form.
Arsenic isn't a performance drug Barney ?
It is
Yep, if its usually stays above the threshold amount for a certain amount of time then by all means rule him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
But if it leaves the system after say 24-48 hours (tripleV post #34 gave me that figure not sure if I've made a correct assumption) then I think it should be ok.
And thanks lol, I might have had 2 or 3 decent posts in that time :p
I understand that Raglan will be tested for Arsenic prior to being allowed to start in the Pacing Cup and then subject to Hrnsw clearance.
What i understand it helps in the recovery with a horse.But is a banned substance so may be another reason
Great piece of work there jamie, my personal observations over the years are that a worrying percentage of arsenic stays in the horse's system.Quote:
Originally Posted by triplev123
If the horse has been subjected to fairly high doses over a significant period, the animals body cannot effectively dispense the arsenic, allowing the drug to go on it's merry way gradually destroying the liver, kidneys and pancreas.
Do you think that arsenic is a therpeutic drug or a performance enhancer? In my opinion it's another one that treads a fine line, because it can be used both therapeutically, but in the wrong doses can not only be a performance enhancer but significantly detrimental to the overall welfare of the horse.
That's true Dan. It certainly would have significant a residual effect. No risk whatsoever.
In regard to therapeautic vs performance enhance...like Bute, I think it's both and like Bute, recent or past exposure can easily & very effectively be determined.
You know, earlier this eveing before I went out for pizza and a bottle of red, I typed and then canned but in light of the above will now revive a story of thousands of years past and involving high ranking members of the Roman Cavalry.
When they'd get a favourite 'war horse' that was coming to the end of his road they would feed them on initially small but ever increasing doses of arsenic.
The residual arsenic build up in the horse's tissues was ultimately such that when the trust steed duly snorted his last snort the carcass had so much arsenic in it that it did not decompose in the usual manner.
Instead, they'd drag old neddy outside and leave it in the sun to effectively 'dry out'...ala sundried tomatoes but sans the subsequently...at least partially...reconstitutional effects of Olive Oil.
What they'd then do is pick up their now significantly lighter sun dried nag, take him back home and prop him up prominently in the corner of the dining room of their Villa, no doubt as a rather graphic reference point for when they got nicely pissed & felt the need to inflict themselves upon their guests by way of recounting glorious horse assisted battles of days on by. Very much like the 'Holiday snaps Slide Shows' of my youth. "Now here's Merv at low tide pumping for Yabbies on the flats at Patonga. ;)
On the subject of therapeautic vs performance enhancer, the crucial thing here is that arsenic actually has an existing threshold while...for example, phenylbutazone does not.
Riddle me that Batman. Is that madness or is that madness?
An every day, widely used and greatly effective NSAID has NO THRESHOLD in place whilst Arsenic does. ?????????????