Luke McCarthy Appeal

Just a little off track. Will Mach Wiper be allowed to run again? Assuming that every swab/blood test that he produces, will be over the allowable Boldenone threshold levels.

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Originally Posted by mightymo

Microbial contamination is the unintended introduction of bacteria into a
controlled area (petri dish, stock media, work station). This often results in
confounded research results and test results being unable to be interpreted with
confidence."

And if it wasn't for this type of event Harvey, Alexander Fleming would never have " discovered" penicillin, although ( call me a cynic if you like) I seriously doubt there will be a similar worldwide enlightenment when all the facts are eventually unearthed in this particular case.

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Originally Posted by Thevoiceofreason

Greg

I am going to call you a cynic .... do you honestly think HRNSW would not have gotten the Lew samples retested .... they would be leaving them self in a very dangerous situation to announce publicly the result of this retest if it was not as stated, sorry Greg but that is a conspiracy theory to top all conspiracy theories.

Think about this, if you were right and it was proven you were which would be easy because the samples are still about they would all be joining Paul Paul O'Toole on corruption charges.

No conspiracy theory Bill it was just my thoughts on what i read, perhaps disappointment maybe that one trainer got done and the other got off for the same substance on the same night both of whom were colt's.
If contamination of some unknown way is to blame for the inexplicable high reading on Mach Wiper or the higher readings than previously thought then why couldn't it be argued that the samples from Karloo Kix could have been contaminated in some way unknown to anyone thus making the test positive. Just a thought as i know how a charge for something you have not done can affect you emotionally.

I found this interesting
alimetrics.net/en/images/stories/posterit/wada.pdf

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Originally Posted by Greg Hando

No conspiracy theory Bill it was just my thoughts on what i read, perhaps disappointment maybe that one trainer got done and the other got off for the same substance on the same night both of whom were colt's.
If contamination of some unknown way is to blame for the inexplicable high reading on Mach Wiper or the higher readings than previously thought then why couldn't it be argued that the samples from Karloo Kix could have been contaminated in some way unknown to anyone thus making the test positive. Just a thought as i know how a charge for something you have not done can affect you emotionally.

Greg

What you say is very right which is why I suggested earlier in this thread that HRNSW was obligated to conduct tests to see if the Karloo Kix sample was behaving in the same way as Mach Whiper.

The simple fact is they did and the sample was not continuing to rise when out of the body it was still at the same level throughout in those circumstances it has to remain a positive finding.

To give due credit to HRNSW you have to remember this is not the first time they have gone to extensive lenghts to investigate a positive finding and ensure justice was done.

I am sure you will remember TUSCAN ABBE case a few years back another case involving a naturally occurring product.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/289277.html

We had a she/he like that Bill years ago we used it for a teaser excellent for the job we ran it with the dry mares.It was broken in and no speed.
Not talking about the sample rising, what i am suggesting is just that maybe contamination of some sort may have produced the positive result for Karloo Kix and or Mach Wiper. Probably just thinking aloud.
It was just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Thevoiceofreason

Greg

What you say is very right which is why I suggested earlier in this thread that HRNSW was obligated to conduct tests to see if the Karloo Kix sample was behaving in the same way as Mach Whiper.

The simple fact is they did and the sample was not continuing to rise when out of the body it was still at the same level throughout in those circumstances it has to remain a positive finding.

To give due credit to HRNSW you have to remember this is not the first time they have gone to extensive lenghts to investigate a positive finding and ensure justice was done.

I am sure you will remember TUSCAN ABBE case a few years back another case involving a naturally occurring product.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/289277.html

What happens in 6 months if they retest Mach Wipers and it is seen to not be rising, but staying steady.

Could the same be argued for Karloo Kix, that it did in fact rise, but then petered out, just at a quicker rate than Mach Wipers?

It was only a probably cause for Mach Wiper from the 8 experts. Not an exact cause. So I assume there is no way of finding out exact cause, otherwise a test would have been done. So how do we know Karloo Kix's Boldenone didn't have a rise from sampling to test 1, and then petered out after that?

From what I remember hearing, the Karloo Kix sample didnt rise at all. I dont think it would be capable of rising and then dropping. The only way for the levels to drop again would be to add more clean sample to it.

(Eg. if you have 50% red cordial and 50% water, the only real way to drop the cordial % would be to add more water)

The whole thing seems just so bizarre! Two positives in the same night, the first sample taken has something crazy going on but the second sample taken seems to be normal and remains a positive!

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Originally Posted by Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild

Just a little off track. Will Mach Wiper be allowed to run again? Assuming that every swab/blood test that he produces, will be over the allowable Boldenone threshold levels.

Why would you assume that every swab/blood test he produces would be over the allowable limit.

The level in the sample keeps rising, therefore they dont know what the level of boldenone actually was when it was taken. I think I also read that other samples from the horse hasnt shown the same behaviour.

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

What happens in 6 months if they retest Mach Wipers and it is seen to not be rising, but staying steady.

Could the same be argued for Karloo Kix, that it did in fact rise, but then petered out, just at a quicker rate than Mach Wipers?

It was only a probably cause for Mach Wiper from the 8 experts. Not an exact cause. So I assume there is no way of finding out exact cause, otherwise a test would have been done. So how do we know Karloo Kix's Boldenone didn't have a rise from sampling to test 1, and then petered out after that?

Brendan interesting view but I am sure you would need some evidence that the Kalroo Kix sample ever acted abnormally before you could amend the positive finding and from my understanding of the available information that never happened.