Charges laid in swabbing scandal

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Originally Posted by LEGENDAIREY

Where ever money is involved there will always be corruption! there are a lot more out there that use different ways to either win a race or pull there horses up especially when favorite, I have been following Harness racing for over 30 years and i have seen quite a lot, I won't mention any names but there is on fellow that never tried on a favorite unless it was a big win prize or he was on a roughie, and what i am saying is fact, i used to keep data bases on all horses Trials, Sales, Wins And Mile Rates etc, i used to earn a second income, but the past 2 years has been unbelievable, you can throw any type of form out the window as horses being beaten by 40 metres on there merits are winning their next starts. How?? Unless they have a little help!! It's impossible for them to show form reversal. In saying that on hearing that there is 37 plus races that are under scrutiny tells me that i had no chance of investing my money for a return. All areas of a harness race need to be looked at here's a few.
1.Any horse or driver leading with slow sectionals, both be banned for 3 months. there should be a minimum set of lead times for all distances. Stupid rule already let alone what youre suggesting. Why is it the leaders perogative to set a faster time and in something subjective like racing who's to say what a minimum lead time should be anyway.
2.Favorites that that don't perform to expectations, both be banned for 3 months. I know of $1.04 shot; 2nd fave was at $21 and nothing else was under $50 until a minute before the race who got an easy lead and failed in a time well outside of its best just 9months ago. Nothing sinister in it except the horse didn't show up. You can't make rules like this.
3.Form reversal horses beaten out of sight last start barring an incident, both be banned for 3 months. Yeah great rule. Not. So I have horse that genuinely improves; I have to play around with it at its next 3 or 4 starts to show that improvement before I'm allowed to win just so I don't get banned. Also disallows say 5 horses in each race winning simply because it would be a form reversal. Who's to police such subjective rules. Lol.
4.If a trainer has 2 or more in a race and one is favorite but doesn't put in an effort and is beaten by a stablemate, every endeavor should be made by stewards to find out why, because there are many races where the favorite or form horse loses when it should have had every thing going for it to win unless it fell over.
These are only a few incidences that need addressing and if HRNSW want integrity back in this sport they need too think that it the punting public that keeps them afloat and the more they are betting on bad investments because of corruptness the more they will give it away.

Yes its terrible what has been going on but those aren't the answers I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by p plater

Legendairey

If we adopted your suggestions, especially 3 what would you do with the recently USA returned trainer and his horse from race 11 at Menangle today.

[VVV] Darren took that horse to the top and he simply bottomed out the field...you'll note that each quarter went by progressively slower than the previous 26.4, 28.1, 28.4 & 29.0.
What you saw there was a classic example of speed holding up on the front end on a track that is approaching being lightning fast now...and it was a lesson in how that track should be driven. The US drivers do exactly that day in day out over the mile and nobody give it so much as a second thought. Btw...inferring there was some sort of nefaious behaviour involved by way of a throw away 'recently USA returned trainer'...is not a very charitable thing to do.

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Originally Posted by LEGENDAIREY

1.Any horse or driver leading with slow sectionals, both be banned for 3 months. there should be a minimum set of lead times for all distances.

[TR] So a leader of any given race should go faster in the early stages to its own detriment to set it up so that horses at the back of the field have a better chance of running them down? No other driver in the race should ever show initiative and go forward to the death seat to force the pace or contest the lead in the first place?

2.Favorites that that don't perform to expectations, both be banned for 3 months.

[TR] Because horses are machines and every favourite should win every race and every horse should perform at its best every start? Who decides on the expectations? A favourite runs second on its merits so ban it? Be a pretty ordinary sport if every horse finished where the punters think they should according to the market, wouldnt really be horse racing or punting would it?

3.Form reversal horses beaten out of sight last start barring an incident, both be banned for 3 months.

[TR] What about horses dropping back in class? Contest a final at Menangle on Saturday night or strong Tuesday race, then drop back to a weak race at Penrith/Bathurst etc. then win? They should be banned? Smart punters see when certain form reversals are on the cards and take full advantage.

4.If a trainer has 2 or more in a race and one is favorite but doesn't put in an effort and is beaten by a stablemate, every endeavor should be made by stewards to find out why, because there are many races where the favorite or form horse loses when it should have had every thing going for it to win unless it fell over.

[TR] Agreed, however look at the Pizzuto case with Franco Torres and Our Amazing Art afew months ago, HRNSW put the writing on the wall to make examples of such tactics and will hopefully continue to do so.
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[TR] My main involvment with Harness Racing is punting, and I want to see the sport cleaned up like everyone else here, but I think most of the points you have made here are contradictory and have nothing to do with cleaning the sport up at all.

In point 1 a favourite leads in a slow lead time and wins, should it get banned?

Or the favourite in point 1 runs a quick lead time and gets beat on its merits, does it get banned?

Or a horse with an ordinary performance last start, starts favourite and wins, does it get a ban?

Its punters like you they've tried to cater for with stupid things such as the Change Of Tactics farce here in NSW, by being spoon fed. If you cant handle the thought of losing, dont have a bet.

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Originally Posted by triplev123

[VVV] Darren took that horse to the top and he simply bottomed out the field...you'll note that each quarter went by progressively slower than the previous 26.4, 28.1, 28.4 & 29.0.
What you saw there was a classic example of speed holding up on the front end on a track that is approaching being lightning fast now...and it was a lesson in how that track should be driven. The US drivers do exactly that day in day out over the mile and nobody give it so much as a second thought. Btw...inferring there was some sort of nefaious behaviour involved by way of a throw away 'recently USA returned trainer'...is not a very charitable thing to do.

You may be correct but to be unplaced the previous 13 starts and a personal beaten best of 1.55.4 at Menangle 2 weeks ago.........Hmmmmm thats some improvement

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Originally Posted by p plater

You may be correct but to be unplaced the previous 13 starts and a personal beaten best of 1.55.4 at Menangle 2 weeks ago.........Hmmmmm thats some improvement

[VVV] The horse could have had a myriad of problems holding it back and maybe Darren has been able to get over the top of them. Who knows? If you asked him I'm sure he'd tell you.
That's also the horse's 5th start back from a spell, his 1st two were over the 2300m, his next two were over the mile beaten 6m & 9m & both times while in against significantly stronger company than today, only form in today's field was Tim Butt's horse River Field & he was like a Cello Player in a Marching Band he got back so far behind the leader. To the front and keep on rolling. Speed holds. If he sits up and leaves anything in the legs of River Field then Butt runs him down. Watch a few of Darren's drives on Vegas Bound when he was on song, they were exactly the same. Go to the top & bottom out the field. There's nothing suspicious about it. I wish that more of them would drive the track that way.

[QUOTE=triplev123;13502][VVV] The horse could have had a myriad of problems holding it back and maybe Darren has been able to get over the top of them. Who knows? If you asked him I'm sure he'd tell you.

Hi [vvv],I find your analysis interesting. Can you suggest what problem/s could be worked out that would give a 3.5 sec improvement?

Hi [vvv],I find your analysis interesting. Can you suggest what problem/s could be worked out that would give a 3.5 sec improvement?[/QUOTE]

Careful fellas there are some protected topics in here......Dont question a Hancock.
It wasnt that long ago Mr Pizzuto was given a roasting in here for his drive and ultimately got 12 months. Luke McCarthy had a similar situation on Saturday night and an enquiry has been opened BUT NOT A WORD OF IT IN HERE.......

Matt Rue should be looking at a similar suspension if they are consistent.

It did look very ordinary on Saturday night, I have to agree.

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Originally Posted by triplev123

[VVV] The horse could have had a myriad of problems holding it back and maybe Darren has been able to get over the top of them. Who knows? If you asked him I'm sure he'd tell you.

Hi [vvv],I find your analysis interesting. Can you suggest what problem/s could be worked out that would give a 3.5 sec improvement?

Maybe the timing was out, based on times he's improved about 46m and would have lead Smoken Up by 17m at the 400m mark

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Originally Posted by LEGENDAIREY

Where ever money is involved there will always be corruption! there are a lot more out there that use different ways to either win a race or pull there horses up especially when favorite, I have been following Harness racing for over 30 years and i have seen quite a lot, I won't mention any names but there is on fellow that never tried on a favorite unless it was a big win prize or he was on a roughie, and what i am saying is fact, i used to keep data bases on all horses Trials, Sales, Wins And Mile Rates etc, i used to earn a second income, but the past 2 years has been unbelievable, you can throw any type of form out the window as horses being beaten by 40 metres on there merits are winning their next starts. How?? Unless they have a little help!! It's impossible for them to show form reversal. In saying that on hearing that there is 37 plus races that are under scrutiny tells me that i had no chance of investing my money for a return. All areas of a harness race need to be looked at here's a few.
1.Any horse or driver leading with slow sectionals, both be banned for 3 months. there should be a minimum set of lead times for all distances.
2.Favorites that that don't perform to expectations, both be banned for 3 months.
3.Form reversal horses beaten out of sight last start barring an incident, both be banned for 3 months.
4.If a trainer has 2 or more in a race and one is favorite but doesn't put in an effort and is beaten by a stablemate, every endeavor should be made by stewards to find out why, because there are many races where the favorite or form horse loses when it should have had every thing going for it to win unless it fell over.
These are only a few incidences that need addressing and if HRNSW want integrity back in this sport they need too think that it the punting public that keeps them afloat and the more they are betting on bad investments because of corruptness the more they will give it away.

G'gay Ron i like your rule no 1 about leading in races and the time that should be run
well thank's for the SCOOP about the sectional times their has been a policy in place for every track for time limit's for the first half of the last mile for a few season's now and is in place and enforced so perhap's you could cross number 1 out along with no 2 do you ever have an off day horses do as well
No 3 yes form reversal should be looked into more aggressively and no 4 they already have inquiries for this just my thought's

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Originally Posted by Diesel

Careful fellas there are some protected topics in here......Dont question a Hancock.
It wasnt that long ago Mr Pizzuto was given a roasting in here for his drive and ultimately got 12 months. Luke McCarthy had a similar situation on Saturday night and an enquiry has been opened BUT NOT A WORD OF IT IN HERE.......

Matt Rue should be looking at a similar suspension if they are consistent.

http://www.harnessracingforum.com/sh...ll=1#post13393

[QUOTE=racefair;13517]

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Originally Posted by triplev123

[VVV] The horse could have had a myriad of problems holding it back and maybe Darren has been able to get over the top of them. Who knows? If you asked him I'm sure he'd tell you.

Hi [vvv],I find your analysis interesting. Can you suggest what problem/s could be worked out that would give a 3.5 sec improvement?

Shoeing would be a good start then you have feed,treatment's,work loads,any any other number of thing's

Heres my answer to making NSW Harness racing the showpiece of Australian racing of all codes.Enjoy the wisdom of "Howards Reforms"

1. Put every horse in its own sectioned off alley and race them in a straight line.This will eliminate the back row handicap.The sectioned off alley means that false starts will be a thing of the past.No more drivers putting up their hand to signal broken gear and quickly jumping off to unbuckle a strap.
There will be no "unfortunate" locking of wheels (sorry Robbie B) and of course your horse wont need to deal with tight turns so bowed tendons,broken pedal bones etc etc will be less likely.This will please the RSPCA but your local vet might have to have to cancel his order for a third yacht for his Tahiti marina

2.Have a mechanical driver,all of the same weight and ability.Its not as if you need to have a thinking mans brain in it.Heck Vince Silvestro can drive a horse standing in a gig with his teeth and firecrackers going off everywhere,yet put him in a race and he instantly reverts to the standard moronic monotonous merry go round follow the leader Sydney style of racing.Ive asked Josh W if driving is rocket science and he said "errrr ummm yeah yeah no, no,no its not rocket science".

3. No swabbing of any sort.Yes youve read right,no swabbing.Every horse will be filled to the eyeballs.Its all even.Do i hear a "here here" from David W and Peter M??
NSW harness racing wouldnt be in this predicament if this (no) law was in place.There wont be any bribing of any steward because theres nothing they can tell you that you dont already know! Its human nature for a mere mortal commoner to spill the beans on classified information for cash.I mean before you know it you can trade in your old Datsun 180b for a new Bentley.Even the dumbest Toole would be in that.

4. Cost cutting.No need for more than 1 steward whos only job is to officiate the photo finish.After that you need a handicapper who can also take on the important roles of ordering lunch and making coffee for that 1 steward and diverting calls from disgruntled industry participants to a disconnected number.Good news for the present 30 odd dead wood public servants in the Bankstown HRA office-the Employment Solutions Office is located just a short distance down to Meredith St.Perhaps you can all use your organisation skills to car pool.Perhaps.......

Which brings me on to Sam Nati.Yes hes young, very bright and is turning the industry on its head.He is man enough to get up and finally say enough is enough.I salute you for being a true great leader.However in my reforms there is no place for a executive with a salary of 800k plus.Quite simply your position will be obsolete.
However on the odd occasion we do need a ruler i say we go straight to the top.Im not talking Prime Minister Gillard or Her Excellency the Governor General Quentin Bryce.Im talking even higher than Kylie Minogue.Yes i think our head of state Queen Elizabeth should be granted final say over all matters involving Harness Racing NSW.The old duck hasnt got too much on her hands these days.She also likes racing.Maybe Chemical Ali can sell her 1 of the 8 50% shares he will offer in his next NZ purchase?

Thankyou for reading Howards Reforms

"God Save the Queen because nothing will save you when task force Tairora arrives at your stable" Howard Taylor. November 30 2011

Horses having days off

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Originally Posted by Greg Hando

G'gay Ron i like your rule no 1 about leading in races and the time that should be run
well thank's for the SCOOP about the sectional times their has been a policy in place for every track for time limit's for the first half of the last mile for a few season's now and is in place and enforced so perhap's you could cross number 1 out along with no 2 do you ever have an off day horses do as well
No 3 yes form reversal should be looked into more aggressively and no 4 they already have inquiries for this just my thought's

Hi Greg thanks for responding to my quip. When i say that favorites don't put in i mean that over the last few years i have noticed more than 50% will either break in the score up or gallop out why? battling trainers with favorites i reckon put in 100% effort as winning to them is money in the bank. Hi profile drivers i have noticed are the ones whose horses tend to be the culprits, if you don't believe me go back and look at the results of odds-on favorite races, also from now on monitor how many more will do it.
Again i want to know why this happens??
As for the minimum sectional times are apparently already in place at most tracks, some drivers are getting away with 64-66 1st half miles and are fined a paltry $100-$200 but that does not help the punter, on most occasions these days drivers tend to sit back and allow the leader to dictate in front, myself and i guess most punters would like to see truly run races like the Miracle Mile where as I'mthemightyquinns driver served it up to Smoken Up and Lance Justice came back off the fence and took the lead again instead of sitting behind him which set the precedent off a good race with good sectional times. That's what i call a race, any other race where they are all in their positions until the last 400-600metres before doing anything is boring.

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Originally Posted by LEGENDAIREY

Hi Greg thanks for responding to my quip. When i say that favorites don't put in i mean that over the last few years i have noticed more than 50% will either break in the score up or gallop out why? battling trainers with favorites i reckon put in 100% effort as winning to them is money in the bank. Hi profile drivers i have noticed are the ones whose horses tend to be the culprits, if you don't believe me go back and look at the results of odds-on favorite races, also from now on monitor how many more will do it.
Again i want to know why this happens??
As for the minimum sectional times are apparently already in place at most tracks, some drivers are getting away with 64-66 1st half miles and are fined a paltry $100-$200 but that does not help the punter, on most occasions these days drivers tend to sit back and allow the leader to dictate in front, myself and i guess most punters would like to see truly run races like the Miracle Mile where as I'mthemightyquinns driver served it up to Smoken Up and Lance Justice came back off the fence and took the lead again instead of sitting behind him which set the precedent off a good race with good sectional times. That's what i call a race, any other race where they are all in their positions until the last 400-600metres before doing anything is boring.

Oh dear at the bolded part. If its true go on betfair and lay them...oh wait its not true.
The $100-$200 fine shouldnt be there in the first place. Why is it anyone's perogative to run a certain time to appease someone else. Count yourself lucky the rule is there at the moment.
If you don't like it, can't back a winner and find it boring then go away.

Sectional times are the greatest joke in harness racing . How they got away with introducing this rule is testament to how stupid the rule makers in this sport are. Can someone tell me any
other sport in the world were the leader of the race has to run a certain speed and then if they don't the rulers fine or suspend them, Surely tactics are a part of any competition. You wouldn't see it at the gallops, you don't see it Bike racing ,athletics ,swimming or any other sport .If a driver was driving one of mine and he drove it one stride faster than he had to in order to win he would never get on any more of my horses .What the poor old horse with limited ability that get's a cheap lead and with a couple of steady quarters he get's home and earns a reprieve from the nackery not to mention getting a few bob back for his long suffering owners. Oh no his suppose to go flat chat and let some other bugger that has done nothing in the race come off his hard work and get the dough. Get back to good old competitive racing were drivers use their brain.

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Originally Posted by alex 123

Hi there, just reading all the information that TripleV123 has written over the last 3 mths.

You could be a steward Triple, but Im sure you drink milk out of a saucer. I think your a big cat.
Jamie why don't you apply for a trainers licence.
Jamie why don't you apply for a drivers licence.
You have NO ability with horses.
Just stick to pouring beers Jamie

Get your facts right numb nut, Jaimie doesn't pour beers

http://critteristic.com/wp-content/u...9/beer-cat.jpg

:-)

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Originally Posted by A BIT DUSTY

Sectional times are the greatest joke in harness racing . How they got away with introducing this rule is testament to how stupid the rule makers in this sport are. Can someone tell me any
other sport in the world were the leader of the race has to run a certain speed and then if they don't the rulers fine or suspend them, Surely tactics are a part of any competition. You wouldn't see it at the gallops, you don't see it Bike racing ,athletics ,swimming or any other sport .If a driver was driving one of mine and he drove it one stride faster than he had to in order to win he would never get on any more of my horses .What the poor old horse with limited ability that get's a cheap lead and with a couple of steady quarters he get's home and earns a reprieve from the nackery not to mention getting a few bob back for his long suffering owners. Oh no his suppose to go flat chat and let some other bugger that has done nothing in the race come off his hard work and get the dough. Get back to good old competitive racing were drivers use their brain.

Gee Dennis

You are getting revved up there mate.

By the way I agree with you but this is not a new thing in Harness Racing I recall in the early 70"s yes 40years ago the then controlling body which was Harold Park wanted to half prize money in races that were not run quickly enough.

Do not get me wrong I actually agree with you I am just saying the issue it has been around for a long time , long before the current rules were put in place.

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

Oh dear at the bolded part. If its true go on betfair and lay them...oh wait its not true.
y.

Betfair i think is also apart of the problem.To be able to back a horse to lose SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED in any case.It opens in my opinion everything up to corruption.

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Originally Posted by Thevoiceofreason

Gee Dennis

You are getting revved up there mate.

By the way I agree with you but this is not a new thing in Harness Racing I recall in the early 70"s yes 40years ago the then controlling body which was Harold Park wanted to half prize money in races that were not run quickly enough.

Do not get me wrong I actually agree with you I am just saying the issue it has been around for a long time , long before the current rules were put in place.

That's right Bill Dad was telling me about that a few week's ago.My feeling is if you win in a slow time good luck to you as no-one else has the balls to take you on they don't deserve to win . We won a race at Blayney at their carnival of cup's meeting and led and ran 2.10 i was so embarissed (spelling excuse me ) not that we won the race and had a good collect from tote and bookmaker's but on the time we ran and were allowed to do it by the other driver's in the race surely they must have more confidence in their horses than this or just can't judge speed even a squib can run a quick last quarter if allowed to do nothing early so if the driver does his homework he should know what everyone in the race is capable of and drive accordingly and the best thing about the win was getting a picture with all the kid's and grand kid's in it with me as is the first time we've all been their for a horse's win together .

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Originally Posted by barney

Betfair i think is also apart of the problem.To be able to back a horse to lose SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED in any case.It opens in my opinion everything up to corruption.

Brian

Betfair has been branded in this way by many. The truth is nothing has changed in the 1970's horses were layed to lose by bookmakers on every racetrack in a Australia some bookmakers layed horses on behalf of other people no different.

The difference with Betfair is because of technology they can and do provide the authorities with full information on who layed horses and for how much and to who. If you check you will find many investigations in Harness racing are able to be carried out more thoroughly because of information gained from Betfair>

I am sure they have provided lots of information on the current scandal.

With 50 % of favourite's galloping out or breaking in the score up watch the trot's not the gallops as you must see different races to me 50% is way far fetched of the 5 meeting's held yesterday Aust wide 2 favourites bsu or galloped out, along way from 50% .

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Originally Posted by barney

Betfair i think is also apart of the problem.To be able to back a horse to lose SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED in any case.It opens in my opinion everything up to corruption.

Although it requires more effort its not much different to backing every other horse in the race.

If this Thread get's 20,000 views I will post whilst naked:)
hang on........ I already am.

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Originally Posted by alex 123

Hi there, just reading all the information that TripleV123 has written over the last 3 mths.

You could be a steward Triple, but Im sure you drink milk out of a saucer. I think your a big cat.
Jamie why don't you apply for a trainers licence.
Jamie why don't you apply for a drivers licence.
You have NO ability with horses.
Just stick to pouring beers Jamie

This sound familiar to anyone else?

Hi profile drivers i have noticed are the ones whose horses tend to be the culprits, if you don't believe me go back and look at the results of odds-on favorite races, also from now on monitor how many more will do it.
Again i want to know why this happens??
For exactly the same reason favourites miss the start at the TBreds,particularly in Qld.

Can someone tell me any
other sport in the world were the leader of the race has to run a certain speed?
Boat races?

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Originally Posted by 2minuteman

This sound familiar to anyone else?

Ringman In disguise???

Danno you occupation has me bemused with the title what is a lubricant's advisor ?

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Originally Posted by Danno

Ringman In disguise???

No Dan, 2minuteman is definitely not the dubious "ringman". Ringman can't spell , can't put sentences together that make any sense , can never post without telling you what a legendary punter he is and has never heard of using capital letters. Also he is an idiot!

Ron (2minuteman) , does not have any of these traits.

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Originally Posted by Danno

Ringman In disguise???

Bloody hell,I really feel miffed now.What on earth did I say that brought that on?

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Originally Posted by David Summers

No Dan, 2minuteman is definitely not the dubious "ringman". Ringman can't spell , can't put sentences together that make any sense , can never post without telling you what a legendary punter he is and has never heard of using capital letters. Also he is an idiot!

Ron (2minuteman) , does not have any of these traits.

That really is a nice story but I think Danno wasn't suggesting 2minuteman is ringman rather that Alex is ringman....I actually thought it was Buster but buster could be ringman!

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Originally Posted by 2minuteman

Bloody hell,I really feel miffed now.What on earth did I say that brought that on?

He was answering you question on Alex123 where you asked if Alex123 sounds familiar to anyone else. Thats what I thought anwyay...

I wasn't cranky, only bemused.

So much for the real names policy. The Keyboard Warriors are obviously back in force. Jules, Flashing...over to you.

Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick too. I just speed read through the posts and sometimes I misread what is being said and by whom.

Anyway Danno , also interested in what a lubricants advisor is.

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Originally Posted by triplev123

So much for the real names policy. The Keyboard Warriors are obviously back in force. Jules, Flashing...over to you.

Come on Jaimie, surely my reply was worthy of at least a wry smile :p

Regards

Mark

Some of these posts are nowhere near topic. Try starting another one called 'Romper Room' and have your niggles there. Thanks in advance........... I hope.

Over 19,000 views and only 157 posts, a good percentage only drivle and bitching. I'm sure Sam and the Taskforce check out these comments looking to see what suspicions others have so don't waste their time and give them something to work with or some juicy stuff for us to read.

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Originally Posted by PD13

a good percentage only drivle and bitching.

And your post has just added to that percentage. If you don't like what you read , then kindly get lost.

This whole affair leaves any harness racing participant apalled and disgusted. This being able to go for as long as it did proves greater judicial involvement in vetting participants and stewards is necessary. Let the necessary proceedings take place and may their name never appear on race form in the future.

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Originally Posted by Tangles

This whole affair leaves any harness racing participant apalled and disgusted. This being able to go for as long as it did proves greater judicial involvement in vetting participants and stewards is necessary. Let the necessary proceedings take place and may their name never appear on race form in the future.

[VVV] I have long believed that all Licences should exist 'at the pleasure of the Board' so to speak and to support that we should have a Code of Conduct in place.
You would sign for/take out/renew a Licence under those terms and with the clear understanding that should you choose to take a walk on the wildside...it can be revoked at any time & no subsequent discussions will be entered into. Federal & State Police background checks would be a good addition to this. No wiggle room. None of this I didn't know routine. No bullshit. End of section.