"The Kindred Bodies will be conducting a series of Harness Racing Industry Forums (Roadshows) at key venues across the State in the coming weeks."
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"The Kindred Bodies will be conducting a series of Harness Racing Industry Forums (Roadshows) at key venues across the State in the coming weeks."
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00054198894532
Link to VHRC article providing dates and venues. Get along and give your constructive comments
I really struggle to see the point of these meetings if HRV just make decisions without consulting these bodies anyway .
The prizemoney is not great in Vic.
$10 thou races last night, goodness me.
Not sure what will happen but owners, trainers & drivers must be doing it tough. Well everyone involved in harness for that matter.
I wonder why there is not a forum being held at Melton - the centre of harness racing in Vic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yabbie
This question was answered by Shane Gloury as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
it’s logistically impossible for our volunteers all of whom have full time jobs and most with additional horse commitments to get to each venue in the State. Ballarat is central to many regional centres and only 45 mins from Melton which is why it was chosen. Also doubtful that we would have been afforded a room to conduct an Industry Forum at the HRV owned Melton Entertainment Park. For all of these reasons, Ballarat was chosen.
Participants opinions are not welcome at HRV owned venues. These meetings are not endorsed by the board.
Doesn't HRV own all our tracks?
I am stunned that we have not seen any moves to NSW yet
Take this week as a typical week
Just looking at Non Metro meets
Half the races in Vic are for $4,500
Every race in NSW is for $9,792 (apart from Goulburn's at $6,936)
Maybe they can not afford it Kev.
You have to make money in any job you do.
The ramifications of the HRV cuts
HRV’s “pathway to sustainability” savaged VicBred futurities, previously up to $12000 under the VicBred “Pure” scheme (progeny from Victorian-based mares bred to a Colonial-bred stallion), and will be capped at $5000 in 2025.
Northern Rivers Equine and Llowalong Farms Principle Kath McIntosh said studs had been “caught on the hop” and breeders had responded immediately with their decisions for the current season.
“Usually we breed over 100 mares, and we would usually rebreed 75 percent of those mares that we foal down each year,” McIntosh told Paul Campbell, of Campbells Comments.
“This year I think we would be lucky to be rebreeding 40 – people are just not wanting to breed,” she said.
https://harnesslink.com/australia/st...an-breeders-2/
Looking at the prizemoney for the Breeders Crown finals is sad.
It is really sad Trish.
$100k
When Ladies In Red won the 2yo, five years ago, it was $300k
When Led Suitcase won fifteen years ago in 2009, it was $311k
Even twenty years ago when Molly Darling won it was $190k
$100k would not even buy half of what it would twenty years ago, so it really is pathetic BUT it is reality for HRV
If young people in Vic see harness as their profession, they really need to consider leaving Vic or maybe think again
I know they are our future but are we able to provide them with a decent one?
Does not look like it.
I do not know how they are going to get on top of this huge problem. You are in the game because you love the horse or to make money, the latter is a must for everyone though.
These young people of today are lucky they are part of the generation that inherits property because there is no way anyone could afford to buy one or even pay rent with harness racing as you career.
Victorian harness racing’s first-win bonuses will be restored to $7000 for two and three-year-olds after $1.37 million was reallocated into the Vicbred scheme
But understandably the money has to come from somewhere
To fund the increases, Vicbred scheme fees will be increased, prizemoney will be reallocated from feature races, and processing fees will be restored.
Almost half of the funding will come from doubling the Vicbred scheme fees, which had been unchanged since 2007. Those who pay per year will see their fee increase from $220 to $440 per annum, while the series fee will double from $440 to $880.
A further $400,000 will be reallocated from features races, with the A G Hunter Cup to run for $250,000, in line with the Victoria Cup and Great Southern Star.
The Vicbred Super Series pacing finals will be run for $100,000, down from $150,000, while the trotting finals will be run for $75,000, with finals night worth $1.05 million.
HRV will also restore processing fee charges for leases ($83.60), foals ($220) and transfers ($75) from January 1, which had previously been absorbed but will now indirectly compensate Vicbred. There will remain no naming fee for Vicbred horses.
https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...rom-january-1/
NZ greyhound news has been moved to Odds and Ends
I can see where they are trying to make some money, it's $25 just to nominate for a trial now !
That's got nothing to do with hrv Rick. The clubs run trials and set their own fees to enter.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutwagon
The kindred bodies have put out this update, which I will attempt to copy here (over four posts)
Pts 1 & 2
Pts 3 -7
They may still be calling them key points but I think they may be reconciled to the facts when some of their previous 'key points' are now only Additional
I paid the money to HRV. Doubt the club gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Njcstables
https://harnesslink.com/australia/ki...pply-pressure/
As you can see from reading back a bit - this Jan 9 story is weeks old
Despite no racing on Sunday, Monday night's scheduled meeting for Terang did not get enough nominations
Not enough noms = not enough horses.
Not enough horses = not enough money.
The media team led by Ryan Phelan showcased our code magnificently on racing.com tonight - hopefully we can capitalize on it.
If that did not win us any converts we are doomed. More on racing.com/CH68 would seem essential
Today is a glaring example of how Vic and NSW are poles apart
Vic has 7 races at Shep - three for $4k, three for $6k and one for $7k
NSW has 9 races at Menangle - 9 times $10k and 7 races at Young - 7 times $7k
Today NSW races for $139k, Vic races for $37k
ps NSW raced for $49k yesterday while Vic had no racing = $0
I am thinking there is a pattern/budget in operation whereby Vic's are racing for $5.5k per race on average
Tonight at Ballarat: 8 races for $44k = $5.5k av. per race
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=BA200225
It really isn't much is it
Luckily there is still enough people who love horses and will go into ownership but it has to be hard for trainers to attract them - realistically it cannot be for the hope of a return so hopefully they are offering a great experience
Maybe smart Horsham businessman and trainer Aaron Dunn will be the first to have a NSW stable - he certainly has plenty going around up there at present (for twice Vic money)
Not only do we only have 7 races at Melton on Saturday, we only have 6 at Geelong today. No racing on Monday for the 4th week in a row - is the horse population dwindling?
I am the first to campaign for better prizemoney but three $10k races at this little Geelong day meet seem strange programming - no doubt avoiding the gallops meets in the evening but will the timing of these races attract better turnover. Like the poorly programmed Terang Cup meeting - I fear not.
I have been told that today's Geelong meeting was supposed to be a night meeting (and their cup) but having been informed by Sky that they would be on Sky 2 they have postponed the cup and swapped today's meet to the Day to be on Sky1
Also told that there was supposed to be a Swan Hill meet on Monday but so few noms it was cancelled - Are trainers boycotting the $4k meetings or simply not prepared to travel for so few bucks
HRV roadshows to provide industry update, answer questions
https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...wer-questions/
For those who can’t attend in person, the Melton roadshow on Monday, March 17, will be streamed live on www.trotsvision.com.au.
The question that needs answering is "Why do we attract so little interest compared to gallops racing?"
We have 8 races at Ballarat tonight for a total of $43k in prizemoney
There is 8 races at Pakenham tonight for a total of $355k in prizemoney (that is an average of over $44k per single race)
That's a great question.
In some ways harness racing is very different to the gallops. The huge majority of people punting & watching the gallops have absolutely nothing to do with the industry , whereas , the huge majority of punters & interested parties in harness racing have a direct connection to the industry . Or are associated with someone that is . Therefore , as people leave the industry so do they .
Question that should be asked is why are they leaving .
You could ask us that because we left!
Of course we could also turn that around Trish in that
Gallops have plenty of fans other than those involved while Harness does not
Exactly right & its so easy to see why.
It is a public holiday Monday in Vic - how can we afford to NOT have any trots meeting today????
Plenty of talk about lack of meetings an money but the core issue is reflected here in this forum as well. People interested in Harness Racing. The interest has waned and so has the punting dollar.
The first step back is selling the product. There is virtually no coverage in mainstream media or radio. It is out of mind out of site. We can do nothing about the fact that Melton is not the best place to get to by public transport
so it is less attractive to go for a lot of families but we do need to get the message out. That involves some thinking outside the box. We get one small column in the HS on Fridays. Maybe as a sponsorship deal with the HS we can
get a few more spots in the paper in exchange for the HS having their spot on the sponsor board and naming rights of some races rather than actual cash. Same with Radio. Adds for up coming meetings on some FM stations for a bit of advertising spots.
Also better coverage on SEN who are the sports radio. Interest boosts turnover. Turnover increases prize money.
True Anthony but they have employed people to think outside the box for 50yrs now
It is the chicken and the egg - there is no coverage because there is no interest / there is no interest because there is no coverage
We have become fairly miniscule and other miniscule sports like hockey, boxing, athletics, cycling, even golf, netball and soccer would all be wanting more coverage
I am not sure HS are going to excited about naming rights, I think we may pay for what little we get now and remember the TAB were not even interested in the naming rights to Melton anymore
There is heaps more competition nowadays - not that long ago you could not even bet on football, cricket, tennis. You did not have everything beamed into your lounge
We also have to remember that Australia has a tiny, tiny population and they now have the whole world's sport at their fingertips
Locally Gallops and 20 second dog races have encroached on the nights that used to be ours and where we look our best
If you look at history you will find that the gallops hierarchy have always been our enemy and this infiltrated into the media
I think that the best idea we had in the last couple of decades was to try and tap into the French trots public but somehow we let that flounder
We have a couple of small hopes IMO - producing an International world champion horse which brings the media on board (it would have to be a trotter for this to happen and there are a couple of stalwarts that have been working away at this)
Reinvent our product to be far more exciting in the eyes of all that are not enthusiasts - go out of the box here eg Figure 8 track, ......
I am rehashing now. You might like this thread here Anthony, it is 39 pages of musings from the last decade
https://www.harnessracingforum.com/s...Harness-Racing
I hope like hell that you can think of something for us because somebody has to - it may be too late for Vic
Are we losing participants? We are definitely seeing a lot more 6 race meetings
It could just be more 6's but I remember that they were going with 10's not long ago as they said they were more cost effective