Brad, A little overcast with the chance of a morning shower and supposed to be around 25. The clouds fairly high and uneven, and there's a cool breeze blowing. Not wrong about old Trigger, It will blow the roof off the new stand if he gets up.
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Brad, A little overcast with the chance of a morning shower and supposed to be around 25. The clouds fairly high and uneven, and there's a cool breeze blowing. Not wrong about old Trigger, It will blow the roof off the new stand if he gets up.
Thanks Richard, hope it stays that way. A fair racing surface really is demanded for possibly the all time best Miracle Mile ever assembled. Am sure there will be some hardluck stories but hope they all get a fair shot at doing their best. Forgot to add, would love to put Restrepo in amongst the chances but 4 just doesn't go into three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard prior
No worries Brad, It's very similar to the afternoon of the Newcastle mile. I was hoping for a nice warm clear day also. Had an omen the other day, a Kookaburra nearly landed in my lap when I was out on the balcony for a nicotine fix, never seen it here in Sydney in 20 years, next to a fairly busy road. Michael Brennan( Im Victorious) was a gun hockey player for the Kooka's and this has really done my head in, Will have to include IV in an exotic even though he's drawn poorly in a tough race.
Terror To Love.
Have not heard but have they put guards on the horses and for how long?
Yep, retention barn set up apparently.
But how long for ? 24 hours ?48?Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard prior
Security on from 6am. Horses to arrive 3 hours before raceQuote:
Originally Posted by djgood
So no detention really just get there earlier ,a joke really
Great win Beautide. Just shows, quickest way home is on the pegs.
Huge turn of foot down the straight, thought Christen Me had it for a bit and then, WHOOSH. Awesome win by Beautide.
Well done to beautide! Smoken Up definitely did not run to his capabilities.. Strange! Leaders seem to be dropping of like flies, without setting crazy sectionals.. I thought the times would be much quicker..
Apparently Lance said after the race that he knew he wasn't gonna be right as soon as he stepped onto the track...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoken
Will his last race b the Vic Cup in 2 weeks???
Great effort Beautide, huge run Christen Me. We have a great future in store for us with this bunch
That is very interesting, because after looking at the replay 5 times, that is very strange for Smoken Up to just compound like that.. 149.9 last week, tonight the winner went 150.2, with much quicker times expected..
I reckon you might be right in regards to the Vic cup.
I am selfish, & would love to see Trigger race forever, unfortunately time catches up with everything.. The memories he has given me are priceless :)
I hope the Champ is all ok!
I hate to be a killjoy but the race will not go down in history as memorable. The winner driven for luck and got it. (sorry)
Night may be memorable for McCarthy's incredible effort
Maybe like those of us who are getting older, SU may not back up weekly any more. His run last week still sticks in my mind...outstanding. I think I will wait and see before writing him off.
I agree with both Messenger and p plater.
I keep forgetting that he is 11yrs of age, & then I snap back to reality lol. Could be very well that he just needs more time to recover(logical) or something was wrong with him tonight, which I hope not!! I can't wait to see him race again God willing!
I reckon Lance will take trigger back home to Globe Derby for his final run in the SA Cup. Was a great move by Rattray to go back to the pegs, he only just made it in there before Im Victorious got to that spot.
This is what Lance said..
He needs a fortnight between runs these days. He was just a bit tired in the warm up and didn't have the zip of last week."
Hope to see mighty Trigger's next race!
I wonder if Smoken Up was based in Sydney between the Cordina and the MM final?? Congrats to Beautide's connections but as Messenger mentioned, it won't stick in the memory as an outstanding MM, very disappointed with the time.
You can't do more than win, so congrats to Beautide again, but over all disappointing..
Just goes to show what a Monster Smoken Up is to have run 148.5 and 149.9 from pillar to post..
Maybe people's expectations are to high in regards to matching or bettering
Smoken Up's time, including myself. It is obviously a very very hard thing to achieve!
Now I see why Lance said on rsn radio, he would have really preferred for the miracle mile to have been run a fortnight after the Cordina Sprint... He really knows his horse!
I reckon that 1.48.5 will be the benchmark for a while, the 1.50 mark will be chipped away gradually but to crack 1.48.5 will take a super performance. At least 5 or 6 of the field off 10(including the emergencies) are capable of cracking 1.50 in the right conditions, 2 have already done it. It was certainly a super performance when old Trigger ran that time.
There are some tough critics on here!
I thought it was a fantastic race. The time was the 4th fastest mile ever recorded in Australia and a race record. The drive on Beautide to win was tactically astute, the effort of Christen Me to kick clear from the chair was huge and the lead up to race with the hype around Smoken Up quite exciting. If its all about times why not make the MM a time trial?
I'm with you Mitch...I wonder what is expected here, some sort of Miracle. I thought it was a grand race, no walk in the park. Most got a fair shot at their chance, Restrepo excluded. I will always be wondering what if FAR stayed on the markers, would it have been different. At the time when Luke pushed off, I thought it was the right thing to do, no driving for luck there, gave it every chance...but Beautide sticks to the markers unimpeded and duly wins and pretty bloody emphatically at that. Saw the guts of Christen Me, confirmed TTL and Menangle just don't mix, cannot say a bad word against SU (Lance has already given us the background), IV was no disgrace and Mach Beauty was surrounded by depth.
Just because they don't run sub 50 is a pretty poor reflection on the regard held for these great horses. James Rattray looked pretty happy about it all when he crossed the line. I was happy that the best horse on the night won the race.
Belinda Mc's training performance on the night was unbelievable. Great night and a great call by Fred. 10/10 all round.
Gotta agree with everything Mitch said there, the fastest MM in history, widely acknowledged as the possibly the best field ever assembled, won by an absolute superstar on the way up with the aid of a beautiful drive........with regards to breaking the 1:48.5, I think we might need to remind ourselves about when other barriers were broken through and how long it took to lower those standards, barriers like 2.00 mile and 1:55 mile. We may see Smoken Up's 1:48.5 broken in the next few years but don't expect it.
Went down last night, great atmosphere for Menangle, great result for the Rattray family.
Cheers,
Dan
Hi Mitch, It certainly was a great spectacle, I was just a little disappointed with the time, but that's a personal thing I guess. As you say, it's not about the time, it's about the spectacle. What I really like is apart from Beautide's great win, was that the horses came from all over the country and NZ which is great for the sport.
I was no doubt harsh Mitch but I still don't think it was memorable. Unless you have backed the winner IMO you remember winners that run the opposition off their legs, or do it super tough, or flash home out wide - Beautide was impressive but it was the equivalent of a sprint lane win (never memorable). It was a great field but the hype was greatly assisted by SU running time last week. If it wasn't about time it would be run over a longer distanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
I believe quick times has everything to do with it, it is the Miracle Mile after all, hence all the hype during the week, & as Messenger said, that was due to Trigger running 149.9. The hype wasn't about running in the 1.50's..
Beautide did a Baby Bling, & good luck to him, but memorable it will be for the hype during the week, not the race. Now i will always be wondering what could have been if Smoken Up was up to scratch, which clearly he wasn't. That's life :)
Typical Lance Justice. However it beats his old chestnut "he only got beaten because I went too slow in front". Last week he had Mach Beauty sitting on him, nothing to his outside. This week he had Christen Me to his outside with For A Reason and Beautide stalking = chalk and cheese. The old boy was overwhelmed this week.
The 3 best horses in the race dominated. Time is for people in jail.
Best horse won. Gutsy drive to go to the fence, although the way the race panned out I reckon he still wins with cover from CM.
As to the race being boring/uneventful, i haven't seen anyone query the speed of the mobile. (apologies if someone has and I missed it). At that pace (mobile) a horses gate speed is of absolutely no significance. If the mobile was to always travel that quick we'd have as many pole markers leading as Gloucester Park does......my opinion anyhow.
Congrats to Beautide team as well as the McCarthy juggernaut.
So would those 2 horses have beaten Smoken Up last week? They ran 150.2 last night..
I'm certain Smoken Up didn't stop like he did, due to the fact that CM was on his outside. There is no other horse that fights like he does. He simply was not himself last night.
Great win and congralutions to Rattray family Beautide has stepped up to every challenge so far and after his Newcastle and Miracle Mile wins i think theres no doubt that he is the real deal.
In regards to the champ Smoken Up it was quite obvious he felt the pinch from his big run 7 days earlier, no doubt if the MM was next week he would of being in the finish up to his eye balls. Christen Me sitting outside him would of only helped him to dig deeper and fight like like no other.
It was also good to see the real Christen Me turn up.
Bob that's a load of bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldParker
If u can't see that Smoken Up simply performed below his best then i overestimate your knowledge of the trots.
Last week he had a faster first quarter, ran faster all up and fought harder than last night.
This week he had an easier first 400, was never challenged, had every chance and was gone at the 200, RUNNING SLOWER TIMES!!!!!!! That equals, not the same horse performing at the same level, the level has reduced, his time was slower...
doesn't matter if Christen Me was sitting where he did, irrelevant, Dexter put no pressure on him at all until the final turn, Trigger simply didn't run up to what he can
Smoken Up may not have been at his best, but I think The top three have his measure anyhow. Which is fair enough to, he is 11 year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maorisidol
Run last nites race Brenno 7 days ago and do u think THAT Trigger would have finished 12.7m behind running fifth in 1:50.2?Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Simply not, based on him leading (like he did in both races) and running 1:49.9, he was a 13-14m better horse.
However of course his end is nigh no doubt and Melton is not his favorite track so unless he can freshen up AND get the lead in the Vic Cup, I reckon he's won his last race last week... Would love to b proved wrong tho...
Do we know if Christen Me and TTL will b stayin around for the Vic? And how about I'm Victorious?
Mach Beauty made Smoken Up earn his victory last week. Beautide cruised to an easy victory at Newcastle beating Mach Beauty by 15m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maorisidol
Mach Beauty has a habit of being resoundingly beaten by For A Reason in the last month. For him to get so close to Trigger last week, we all know how much Trigger finds when headed but its probable For A Reason most probably would have gone past him. Draw the same lines with Abettorpunt at Newcastle compared to last week as well and dust and manner beaten.
Times aren't be all and end all. Especially at Menangle, discrepancies occur. Obviously it was rain affected, but just to highlight, For A Reason has ran pretty much spot on 1.50 in three of his four starts, but got beaten in 1.54.5.
If u watch what Mach did at Newcastle and how far he and Beau went crazy in the first 400-600or so, obviously Mach had zip left in the tank. Compare Mach against Trigger last week, he popped out to lead and put the brakes on straight away, then had the easy sit on Triggers back and proved to me anyway, he is better with a sit...against these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
The fact that remains that Trigger definitely was not right last night, regardless of the reason/s. That is common sense.
Some people are saying the track was affected a little bit, and others are saying it was great.. Which one was it?
Just in same vein that Mach Beauty had easier run in Cordina than Newcastle, Trigger had an easier run in the Cordina than that of Beautide at Newcastle. Abettorpunt made no impression on Beautide in a 29.2 final quarter at Newcastle when race run to suit back markers, but ran to a length of Trigger in a 26.6 quarter last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maorisidol
Trigger is going bloody unreal for an 11yo and shouldn't be doing what he is doing, but lets be fair to the top three from last night, they now have his measure.
Smoken, Not a drop of rain around Sydney all day Saturday and a nice breeze should have dried the track out more than sufficiently.