Has anyone noticed that in Nsw Dean McDowell licence suspeneded immeadiatly but in Vic Braun has also had positive but is still training.Different drug but positive is a positive.
I see Col has the horse in Tuesday in his name
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Has anyone noticed that in Nsw Dean McDowell licence suspeneded immeadiatly but in Vic Braun has also had positive but is still training.Different drug but positive is a positive.
I see Col has the horse in Tuesday in his name
Good point!
VVV- As they say in the classic Courtroom Dramas..."You opened the door Counsellor".Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Trish, do you know if there's any Rule that covers unsolicited Third Party involvement/influence/pressure being brought to bear with regard to the Driver choices of other Owners? :confused:
On the other point i have been involved in insiderail.com/forum for a long time now and the interest in harness racing has never been lower.I see it every day with comments members on there make and the main reason seems to me to be the dominance of stables so people dont bet on a lot of the races mainly Cramp in Mildura which used to be one of our popular tracks now interest zero.
I personaly have a lot of success in Nsw country and Newcastle as well.
Hi JaimieQuote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
No I don't. Maybe ask Harvey he has his finger on the pulse. Let me know if you find out.
Hi LeighQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild
NO.
A positive does not make them guilty, believe me.
maybe its a bit like being arrested for a crime, you still have your day in court.
Someone pasted this before maybe Dan??? not sure.
http://www.vpxsports.com/article-det...increasing-epo
The rat died at day 8......that can not be good.
And not all of them are let out on bail are they???
So if they're stood down, their stood down...
I kinda like it because it should go somewhere to stop the ridiculous adjournment of enquiries all the time and the constant appeals on a stay of precedings when they're very unlikely to succeed!!!
The rules relating to presenting a horse to race with a prohibited substance, or in case of excess of a set threshold, in its system is a rule of absolute liability. Stewards only have to present the evidence in the form of an analysts certificate confirming the presence of the prohibited substance. It is on that basis that stand downs are applied.
Such situations in no way reflect a day in the criminal court.
Absolutley true Tony, but its a real issue, that affects real races, with real ramifications hey? not just a "media story". this particularly dangerous substance has been used by quite a few trainers as I alluded to some time ago. Told you so. More "victims" to come, as I also told you.
Hey Dan, with your inside knowledge ....is there any truth in what a trainer told me some time ago that the "supplier" was from up your way and the product comes from USA
It is indeed interesting that they have been stood down straight away ie when you compare to say Braun in Vic.
It has got me beat why you would use a banned sub when you were warned and told a date for a threshold being introduced.
Greed Kev!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Makes me think of nicotine - didn't they believe the warnings. At least with the fags we are talking about an addiction - if the trainers were taking the cobalt it would almost make more sense LOL
Lmfao, Maybe they are!!
VVV- So during your time in the Industry you've never had any experience of that sort of thing ever happening? Never even heard of it happening before?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Hi Jaimie . I did answer your question . I don't know of such a rule , but, there are rules covering threats and intimidation . We've never had the need to find out . Have you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
VVV is this a private point between you and Trish or has it got something to do with Cobalt Chloride?Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple V
4 positives in total today , never ending battle
Dave, I dont want to sound like a cranky old irrelevant bloke, but yes the game is leaning towards trainers with chemistry skills are more successful than trainers with hosemanship skills................................join the dots mate, examine the form, each individual horses ability before and after and after going through that exercise make your own judgement/opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by djgood
It's funny how some horses can grow a leg in 7 days. At least be smart about it and wait 4-6 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
I hate how you and other honest trainers have to gear up and stable next to cheats, I don't know how the chemists can look honest horsepeople in the eye and say Gday.
Not you, but there are honest/good people in the industry who say congratulations and celebrate the success of these cheats. It's sad. If someone steals a $200 flat screen TV they are scum of the earth, if someone juices up their horse and cheats you out of prizemoney they get celebrated in the media for getting 4 winners or some crap.
I can't remember the details but I do remember decades ago there was a leading american trainer who only trained 2yo's then sold them as he said he had no desire to compete with the chemists [said 2yo's were not a favourite of the chemists - too much 'training' skill required]
As for the cheats looking you in the eye mate I don't know how other people think Brenno, but my theory is they think they are being "smarter" than the rest of us, I have witnessed the behaviour of many types of people with poor ethics and they more often than not find a way to justify their behaviour to themselves..........the rest of us in this game just look at them like they are the scum are and leave it at that....do or say anything more and your labelled "jealous" or "disrespectful".Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
But yes it is not easy, particularly when you are the guy that runs second to them knowing full well they are not participating on a level playing field.
cheers,
Dan
Its the sad fact of life that a lot of leading trainers in this sport as well as the thoughbreds are not able to be leading trainers with out the help they give their horses.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
And also the way the media treat them as great blokes when a lot of them are not when the camara's ain't around.
[QUOTE=Danno;32634]As for the cheats looking you in the eye mate I don't know how other people think Brenno, but my theory is they think they are being "smarter" than the rest of us, I have witnessed the behaviour of many types of people with poor ethics and they more often than not find a way to justify their behaviour to themselves..........the rest of us in this game just look at them like they are the scum are and leave it at that....do or say anything more and your labelled "jealous" or "disrespectful".
But yes it is not easy, particularly when you are the guy that runs second to them knowing full well they are not participating on a level playing field.
Thats the problem most of us know who these people are. But for some reason their uncatchable. Who knows the real reasons as to why?
These idiots don't realise they are destroying their own industry..........derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. The dishonesty in this game is disgusting.
And they don't care. Maybe they will when harness racing ceases to exist because of them. You will know who they are , they will scream the loudest. I think that they actually believe that they are good trainers . We see some of these multiple offenders are recognised as "great trainers" and hero's of the sport . THINK ABOUT THAT . Some of our hero's are just cheats . Sounds like we're building our foundations on a swamp . Our CEO reminds me of Captain Francesco Schettino of the Costa Concordia , he's bailing out before the ship sinks , but who can blame him . He hasn't taken an oath .
Thats one of the big issues the person consider the greatest trainer and driverQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
the sports ever seen was possible the biggest drug cheat ever.
[QUOTE=aussiebreno;32630]It's funny how some horses can grow a leg in 7 days. At least be smart about it and wait 4-6 weeks.
Like in race 6 tonight at Penrith
Hi everyone ... I have been watching and reading these posts on this site for some time now and if it's ok with the group I just have a few questions if anyone would like to oblige. Sorry if some of my observations are not accurate but I base my knowledge of this sport on information collected from close friends and family involved in the sport and my own observations.
Question 1
Are the trainers that you all are referring too as drug cheats that can't be caught. Are these trainers that have never been found to be using drugs at all in their past . Is there any evidence to suggest otherwise other than your opinion ???
G'day Arty,Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty
the people I was referring to have been busted at least once but most of them multiple times.
I think you will find most people are referring to these types rather than people who have not been busted, but I'll let others do their own talking.
cheers,
Dan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty
Here you go Arty.
You can start here.
http://www.harness.org.au/news-archi...=AUS&x=41&y=11
Thanx guys. I am well aware of the people that she been caught with the current testing of cobalt. And from what I have been told cobalt needs to be treated on race day which in itself against the rules . I was just under the understanding that a lot of the comments about certain leading trainers improving horses and winning multiple race are the ones that haven't been convicted or even linked to any positive swabs yet are still being accused of being cheats . Is this correct ?
2nd question ::
I have been told that levels of cobalt above 200 are very very dangerous to a horses health particularly a horses liver can anyone confirm this and if this is the case does this mean this substance is more than just a performance enhancing treatment charge ?
Did you hear about the American guy called Arty who strangled 2 people for the measly sum of 1 dollar?
Headlines read the next day Arty chokes 2 for 1$.
HAHAHA
Personally I stick to publically criticising those with a positive swab or guilty verdict over their head. Privatelly Ive suspected a few trainers over the years and I reckon my hits v misses is about 90% and rising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty
I guess what I am getting at is the following. If HRNSW is currently the leader in drug testing in Australia which I think we could all agree is the case. Then the trainers that have risen to the top over the past few years and are still achieving the same result after being continuously tested . Would it then become blatantly clear that maybe these trainers are infact the best trainers and horseman. At which point to we stop suspecting foul play and start acknowledging the level of their achievements. Not only am I talkig abou the leading trainers but also those trainers with selective stables who pound for pound do a tremdeous job . The trainers that either have been caught since the improvements in drug testing or have lost the ability to retain the level of achievement due to being unable to treat their horses surely these people are the butt of the conversations not the people who are achieving career best goals even under the strict drug testing currently imposed on trainers in nsw . Thoughts ?
Thoughts are youre jumping at shadows. Trish and others have only linked and spoken about cases where trainers have received positives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty
lance armstrong ring any bells?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty
You know what I was wondering what would happen if someone actaully spoke up for the people that everyone seems happy to criticize. So in response I get accused of being someone I'm not and then get abused. I guess it shows the mind set of the people involved in this environment and their one track way of thinking.