Would really like to hear how it could be improved please??
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Would really like to hear how it could be improved please??
Richard,
I welcome your thread on this topic / subject. Also I would ask everyone with thoughts on same to attend Sunday's 18th of January Owners meeting set down for 1 p/m at Penrith. It is extremely important for the industry to understand and express there views in a professional manner. As such I look forward to following everyone's views as expressed under this thread.
I cannot believe that trainers/owners cannot enter horses for specific races - I would not race under such restrictions. Have I got that right? Whoever pays the horse's bills has to be able to determine its program via his nominated trainer
The last race at Newcastle tomorrow is probably a good example of owner and trainers frustration with the system. In an effort to make up a race, the "untouchables" in the handicappers dept have decided to allow the mares concession plus junior drivers allowance to create a C2-C4 race. But look at the field C1-C5.
Race 8 GARRARDS HORSE & HOUND PACE 5:32 PM http://www.harness.org.au/images/print.gif C2 To C4. PBD/C. Prizemoney: $5,100 2030 METRES TRIFECTA, QUINELLA, EXACTA, 4TH LEG QUADRELLA, FIRST4 MOBILE START Form Horse Trainer Other Eng. Driver Class Hcp 1 26s73 BLACK BELT http://www.harness.org.au/blackbook/views/bb_icon.gif C J Harmey
Grace Grant (C)
C1 M0 FR1 2 83349 DARK DEFENDER http://www.harness.org.au/blackbook/views/bb_icon.gif P A Bourke
Polly Downing (C)
C2 M0 FR2 3 45s67 ULTIMATE TRUMP http://www.harness.org.au/blackbook/views/bb_icon.gif M A Formosa
Madelene Bond (C,cl)
C4 M0 FR3 4 72252 GLASSCUTTERSPIRIT http://www.harness.org.au/blackbook/views/bb_icon.gif S P Tritton
Brad Elder (C,cl)
C4 M0 FR4 5 94131 BLIZZARD OF OZZ http://www.harness.org.au/blackbook/views/bb_icon.gif A P Francis
Adam Francis
C3 M0 FR5 6 1719s SECOND MAJOR http://www.harness.org.au/blackbook/views/bb_icon.gif R E Roots Snr
Lauren Panella (C)
C3 M0 FR6 7 5571s HIT FOR SIX http://www.harness.org.au/blackbook/views/bb_icon.gif L G McDonald
Jackson McDonald (C,cl)
C5 M0 FR7 8 65353 HOLLYS FANTASY http://www.harness.org.au/blackbook/views/bb_icon.gif M N Howell
Martin Howell
C5 M0 FR8
I don't think that you will get many owners and trainers who are happy with the fact that when you nominate your horse/horses for a race at the moment all you can do is nominate for a C0 and better or C2 and better as it has been changed to in the last few weeks, it's just a one in all in. Where it is most annoying is on half mile tracks. Almost everyone wants to draw the front on these tracks. If you have a C1 class horse that you nominated for a CO and better you didn't know if you looking at drawing one or ten. What you have lost is the ability to place your horse.
You hear people say (and have said it yourself) why would you nominate for a race that is two or three hours traveling time away on a half mile track when they will put you in whatever race suits them. When the races were programmed CO-C1, C1-C2 or C2-C3 trainers had the option nominating for the harder class with the general expectation that on a half mile track the horse will at least draw in close. If you have two C2 class horses you would nominate one for the C1 front and the other for the C2 front, as it is there is always a chance both your horses could end up in the same race even thou the authority say "we try to separate horses from the same trainer". Why nominate for somewhere that will cost you about $200 in fuel alone when you don't know if you will end up racing against yourself. Most trainer/drivers want to drive their own horses after all they are the one doing all the hard work each and every day.
The people who supply the horses that make up the industry are not given any say in what race their horse starts in. This is simply not right and would not happen anywhere else. Imagine going to Woolies to buy your groceries and having some faceless person inform you that can't buy that chicken today, you have to buy fish because we have a lot of it to sell, you would take your money a shop somewhere else. That is what owners are doing they are leaving the industry through frustration.
No matter how you cut it handicappers are not horse trainers they are handicappers and they should be drawing up the fields from horses that the trainers nominate for each race. For years the authority has been tweaking with the industry to improve it (as they should). But administrators should administer and trainers who train the horses should be in charge of what grade/class of race their horses are nominated in.
well said
Re: owners meeting 18th of january.........who is running this event this is the first time i have heard of this meeting. great idea for the owners to be heard. Due to work commitments and length of travel I wont be attending. Im sure there is a data base of owners so this could be advertised more. Maybe a survey form / comment form could be sent out so we can comment if we are unavailable to attend these meetings. I know there is any quick fix but however Goulburn Race 1 on the 5/1/2015 had an interesting runner in it !!! no better than C1 ? c3 mare with concession C2 any comments ??
It has been advertised over the past 3-4 weeks in Trottguide. The NSW Owners association is running the meeting. Personally I think it is a a very good idea. This will give all owners a chance to listen as well as contribute with there thoughts. In fact it should be an annual event for all participants to attend and contribute in a professional manner. Hopefully a large number can attend so as to show our Administrators that our industry Owners are very important and furthermore should be given credit for what they contribute day in day out to our sport.
Rob, I hope there is a great turnout, as something must be done for owners/trainers in placing their horses but I bet you hear that turnover is the lifeblood of the sport and from what I hear it will be stated that with this new system and the reduction of odds on runners has seen the para Tab down a bit but fixed odds and Corporates up $5 million. I can't back these figures up but a reliable source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Nalder
It would be good to see a great roll up. What changes HRNSW have made has improved the Handicaping System big time from what was 1st offered. (in my opinion). I do hear talk about turn over as being critcal to our future, however without going to far into my feelings the number 1 issue is Ownership of Racing & Breeding stock. Without Owners nothing works. So we need Owners to provide Stock for Punters to bet on, then tackle the 2nd issue of Turn Over. It will be very interesting to see the roll up, hopefully you & heaps of other Owners attend to place your views and thoughts before the Owners Ass, so as to follow up against with HRNSW.
Following on from Sundays Owners meeting at Penrith Harness Racing Club, conducted by NSW Owners Association a big thank you is called for as it was without doubt the best run and most constructive forum I have attended. To Terry Neil well done in conducting a free flowing and very professional meeting. As an Owner/ Breeder I found it most constructive and extremely well attended. I wait now on seeing and reading all the findings placed before the Owners Ass on the day by the Participants in attendance. Also good to see and catch up with Old Frends. I should also acknowledge the fact that Rod Smith (Board member HRNSW) was taking everything in and taking heaps of notes. Hopefully with the way this Owners Association has conducted such a meeting we can have see it growing substantially in membership as we need a strong and effective body acting on our best interests. I'd like to get others feedback who also attended as I did see several faces from this Forum / Link.
With Metro races worth $22,260 in NSW and only $16,350 in VIC which equates to a whopping 36% difference and with weekday stakes due to increase to $8k is NSW leaving Vic behind
Over a year later and nothing has changed - an M0 in NSW is still worth 36% more (nearly $6k diff).
wonderful !!! some country meetings still racing for $1500............... nothing has changed. waste of time going
Givemeaspell won his M0 at Melton last Friday and collected $9,120
Mister Brazil won his M0 at Menangle last Saturday and collected $12,600
To match NSW, Vic would have to increase the winner's cheque by 38%
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-re...ic#MXM21101602
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-re...sw#PCM22101608
While I would never bag increases in prize money Kev, Victoria never had a Harold Park to sell and that difference is at very least partly made up by funding from the investments of Harold Park's sale price. It was a wonderful windfall for the game and with wise investment in the years to come will make some difference to the games future.
Hi folks, latest posts about increasing breeding have been moved to 'Holy Database Batman - Foal Numbers'
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=31895
Note the hardest hit is country finals loosing $5000
Can't have the city boys going poor
All a part of the master plan to get horses to the main trainers............in the city or regional areas.......they are slowly making it harder for the smaller trainers to survive in the country areas. I for one will not be sending any of my horses to a larger stable. I want to be involved in all aspects of this fine industry and be able to see my horses in close proximity to where i live. I am pleased the way my trainers look after my horses and I can see them anytime.